CSX Transportation installs inward-facing cameras on CSXT801 [Article]

Not a bad idea, I can see a pitfall with car owners screaming what happens in an emergency ie accident. I suppose the jammers could set to let through emergency only calls though.
That may interfere with the Wi-Pu unit sending back live data from the locomotive.
I personally wouldn't consent to a jammer in my car. I'm likely going to get my permit in a month or two if I'm lucky, but I already self-willingly say that my phone is going onto a dock and plugged into the radio, calls, SMS, and BBMs will go unanswered until I can safely pull over or I'm at my designation.
The answer is simple, pull the irresponsible drivers instead of punishing the responsible and irresponsible. That applies to motor vehicles though. Trains? I'm unsure what to do there.
 
You don't steer a train, and you have two people in the cab. I think that there really isn't a big deal with short phone calls, as long as they are important.
 
You don't steer a train, and you have two people in the cab. I think that there really isn't a big deal with short phone calls, as long as they are important.

Oh don't you ever leave your console to go to the restroom without stopping your train! Or even worse, letting your fellow crew member take over. Y'know why?
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(It's really sad to do this)
I could just imagine the dispatch conversation
"Uhh dispatch, CSX U303-03 here, I gotta pee, can I stop my train?"
 
Nah, it has to be a high priority freight, like one of the hotshot trailer trains that they inherited from Conrail, or better yet an Amtrak train, like the California Zephyr, or the Lake Shore Limited. Next thing you know, CSX is going to be having tests to see how long people can wait to got to the bathroom in their interviews.
"Sorry sir, you only lasted three and a half hours, to get the mainline assignments, the cutoff is twelve hours."
 
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Nah, it has to be a high priority freight, like one of the hotshot trailer trains that they inherited from Conrail, or better yet an Amtrak train, like the California Zephyr, or the Lake Shore Limited. Next thing you know, CSX is going to be having tests to see how long people can wait to got to the bathroom in their interviews.
"Sorry sir, you only lasted three and a half hours, to get the mainline assignments, the cutoff is twelve hours."

Pssst. I'll let you know in on a little secret - Stay dehydrated and you can keep your job. You did not hear this from me.
 
We have to keep in mind that all of this came about after the big Caltrans train accident a few years ago when the engineer wasn't paying attention to signals and instead was paying attention to some teen texting him. There were then other incidents elsewhere, and then later two of which were back here in the Boston area, that occurred on the MBTA Green Line. In both of these cases, trolley cars (LRVs) collided and derailed. One of them caused something like $7-10 million in damage to the tunnel and station at Park Street or Boylston Street. The driver admitted, in this case, that he was focusing on his phone instead of driving. The other case was more serious with people burned. There was nothing released about that driver, but there were suspicions that she was texting up to the incident.

On automobiles... Unfortunately, there are those individuals who make the rest of us suffer. Mobile phone use should be banned. Period. Unlike adjusting a mirror, or talking in person with someone, studies have shown that people wander off mentally to their conversation on the phone and miss things in their surroundings. This then of course not only causes accidents, but road rage incidents, traffic tie ups, and other problems. Where I live texting is prohibited, but enforcing the rules is difficult. The only time mobile phone use or texting use laws are enforced is when there is an accident. When this happens, phone use logs are pulled, should a phone be in question, and then the police findings and judges rule through fines and insurance points. Yes, like in the UK, Massachusetts drivers are given driving points.

Having said this, I can think of more incidents where mobile phones have been the cause of truly awful road incidents with two of them occurring very recently. Up here in Haverhill, where I live, a young driver killed and injured a couple in a head-on accident. He received a 15-year driving ban, house arrest, and a year in jail for murder. He should have gone to jail for 1st degree murder, but that's another story. He sent over 80 texts in less than a minute before the accident, with the last one within seconds of impact.

Another case my brother actually witnessed. He was sitting in traffic when this young lady on a phone was totally oblivious of stopped traffic. She slammed right into the back of stopped vehicles as she was dialing her phone and not paying attention to the road.

My dad was hit by someone on a phone. This young lady then lied about it, but when it went before the magistrate, it was ruled in my dad's favor. Her phone records showed she was on the phone and not paying attention to people beside her. She pulled out from a curb without looking and hit my dad's car.

During my years of commuting, and thank god I am retired, I have seen more near misses and stupid moves by mobile device users, computer users, and other idiots. The biggest culprits are those that feel their life is more important than everyone else, and have gone as far as to stop dead on a freeway to answer a call. I had a young B***** do that to me. She was texting someone and would stop dead every time she received a message. I could tell what she was doing because I could see the phone lit up in her hand. We'd go from nearly 70 mph to less than 30 mph every time she hit her brakes. Eventually I got behind her and kept blowing the horn every time she stopped. She pulled over and the traffic moved on fine afterwards.

Another time I had a lady who was too busy doing work to drive. She had a complete office setup in her SUV. She was texting and talking on another hands free as she was driving at 40mph UNDER the speed limit. Many drivers including myself blasted the horn at her and a state police officer pulled her over. He was a couple of cars back and was watching her.

During my late night commutes, it wasn't uncommon to see Apple iPad users setup their iPads on their steering wheels to read their emails while driving. They too would slow down to about 20-30 mph under the speed limit. This is very dangerous especially on a dark stretch of highway.

I could go on. Driving and using mobile devices and or personal computer use is a no, no. If you need to talk, pull off to the side or wait a few minutes or so until you get to your destination. Not being in touch every .0005ms is the most important thing in life.

John
 
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You make very valid points John, however I do have one counterargument.
If I dock my phone in my future car, and I use it for music, I could either use my voice or the steering wheel to change music. Pretty harmless.
I already agree that using a cell phone for communication is very dangerous in a car.
However, my iPhone is a tool. It has a built in GPS and Compass amongst other things that I can use to find my way around, or find a new restaurant.
Since I'm only going on 16, I can't go out and buy a $30,000 SUV with a built in GPS, OnStar, etc., so with the clunker of an SUV I do buy in a few months, I don't want to spend money on a device that my phone can already replace, and do a dang good job at it too. I could use that money for car insurance :hehe:
 
We have to keep in mind that all of this came about after the big Caltrans train accident a few years ago when the engineer wasn't paying attention to signals and instead was paying attention to some teen texting him. There were then other incidents elsewhere, and then later two of which were back here in the Boston area, that occurred on the MBTA Green Line. In both of these cases, trolley cars (LRVs) collided and derailed. One of them caused something like $7-10 million in damage to the tunnel and station at Park Street or Boylston Street. The driver admitted, in this case, that he was focusing on his phone instead of driving. The other case was more serious with people burned. There was nothing released about that driver, but there were suspicions that she was texting up to the incident.

On automobiles... Unfortunately, there are those individuals who make the rest of us suffer. Mobile phone use should be banned. Period. Unlike adjusting a mirror, or talking in person with someone, studies have shown that people wander off mentally to their conversation on the phone and miss things in their surroundings. This then of course not only causes accidents, but road rage incidents, traffic tie ups, and other problems. Where I live texting is prohibited, but enforcing the rules is difficult. The only time mobile phone use or texting use laws are enforced is when there is an accident. When this happens, phone use logs are pulled, should a phone be in question, and then the police findings and judges rule through fines and insurance points. Yes, like in the UK, Massachusetts drivers are given driving points.

Having said this, I can think of more incidents where mobile phones have been the cause of truly awful road incidents with two of them occurring very recently. Up here in Haverhill, where I live, a young driver killed and injured a couple in a head-on accident. He received a 15-year driving ban, house arrest, and a year in jail for murder. He should have gone to jail for 1st degree murder, but that's another story. He sent over 80 texts in less than a minute before the accident, with the last one within seconds of impact.

Another case my brother actually witnessed. He was sitting in traffic when this young lady on a phone was totally oblivious of stopped traffic. She slammed right into the back of stopped vehicles as she was dialing her phone and not paying attention to the road.

My dad was hit by someone on a phone. This young lady then lied about it, but when it went before the magistrate, it was ruled in my dad's favor. Her phone records showed she was on the phone and not paying attention to people beside her. She pulled out from a curb without looking and hit my dad's car.

During my years of commuting, and thank god I am retired, I have seen more near misses and stupid moves by mobile device users, computer users, and other idiots. The biggest culprits are those that feel their life is more important than everyone else, and have gone as far as to stop dead on a freeway to answer a call. I had a young B***** do that to me. She was texting someone and would stop dead every time she received a message. I could tell what she was doing because I could see the phone lit up in her hand. We'd go from nearly 70 mph to less than 30 mph every time she hit her brakes. Eventually I got behind her and kept blowing the horn every time she stopped. She pulled over and the traffic moved on fine afterwards.

Another time I had a lady who was too busy doing work to drive. She had a complete office setup in her SUV. She was texting and talking on another hands free as she was driving at 40mph UNDER the speed limit. Many drivers including myself blasted the horn at her and a state police officer pulled her over. He was a couple of cars back and was watching her.

During my late night commutes, it wasn't uncommon to see Apple iPad users setup their iPads on their steering wheels to read their emails while driving. They too would slow down to about 20-30 mph under the speed limit. This is very dangerous especially on a dark stretch of highway.

I could go on. Driving and using mobile devices and or personal computer use is a no, no. If you need to talk, pull off to the side or wait a few minutes or so until you get to your destination. Not being in touch every .0005ms is the most important thing in life.

John
I wasn't saying that it should be in use all of the time, but there are times when people really need to answer a phone, such as if legal matters are involved, or if a loved one is hospitalized, etc... I do agree on texting though. I always say that people must be the best drivers, because they do the stupidest things and somehow escape without injury most of the time. I have had people jump out in front of my car, stop dead, and so on, but the vast majority of people that I see make stupid moves are the ones on their phones. All I am saying is that there are certain times when phone calls need to be answered. Texting and driving is stupid and the people who do it are putting themselves and others in danger.


I saw an article once that this company was developing a system that would be implemented in phones that would shut off the ability to text above certain speeds, say five miles per hour, or so.
 
I can second what John said. While I'm open to seeing the results of a formal study, most law enforcement I know - not to mention what I've witnessed - suggests that the number of serious accidents caused by cellphone (mis)use is orders of magnitude greater than the number of legitimate emergencies. Now, of course, I don't count a parent calling the school saying they'll pick up their kid late to be an emergency, or a teenager running out of zit medicine to be an emergency - face it, when people say they have an "emergency" and NEED access to their cellphone, this is what they're talking about 99.99% of the time.

@neon - or you could buy a GPS for $50 :D
 
@neon - or you could buy a GPS for $50 :D

That $50 could cover...

  • Most of my gas station bill
  • Partial payment on Auto Insurance
  • Model Train paint
Or my personal favorite...
  • Multiple Sheetz orders!
* - After 50% employee discount on MTO (I think, if not the other food items are just as good) items, everyone cross their fingers I get hired here, I have an interview in a few weeks.
 
It was Metrolink, not Caltrans I think? And he was texting a teenager who intended to drive the train further down the line or later on that day. Major facepalm. These are the kind of people who just ruin it for the rest of the rainfanning community.

Re: phones in cars. A ban is a tad harsh considering the multitude of functions a smartphone can carry out these day (like in Wolf's case). If you're using it as a GPS, get a proper windscreen holder. If you're picking up a call, use a handsfree. Use some common sense and keep your eyes on the road, simple.
 
It was Metrolink, not Caltrans I think? And he was texting a teenager who intended to drive the train further down the line or later on that day. Major facepalm. These are the kind of people who just ruin it for the rest of the rainfanning community.

Re: phones in cars. A ban is a tad harsh considering the multitude of functions a smartphone can carry out these day (like in Wolf's case). If you're using it as a GPS, get a proper windscreen holder. If you're picking up a call, use a handsfree. Use some common sense and keep your eyes on the road, simple.

I personally set a rule that my parents have mixed feelings about like I said, no answering the phone by message or by voice, PERIOD.
The only downside is that they'd be worried waiting for my call back but I explained I'd rather not be in an accident over a checkup call.
 
That's even better. It's all common sense, if you can't drive and talk on the handsfree without losing concentration then pulling over is the right thing to do. My point was a ban is nothing more than another "fine revenue generator". Let the folks use common sense and for those without, Darwin will sort them out in due time.
 
That's even better. It's all common sense, if you can't drive and talk on the handsfree without losing concentration then pulling over is the right thing to do. My point was a ban is nothing more than another "fine revenue generator". Let the folks use common sense and for those without, Darwin will sort them out in due time.

It's not really distraction, I can sit here and talk on skype while doing geometry calculations for schoolwork, it's just extremely inconvenient since I'm out on the road to relax and enjoy myself, or have the exciting feeling of driving to work.
I also pretty much told the few friends I do have, if I'm driving, don't touch or play with anything in my car. It's setup the way it is for a reason. (especially temperature, I'm extremely sensitive to it for some reason, it has to be like 75 in the car I'm in or I'm not going to be able to relax)
 
That $50 could cover...

  • Most of my gas station bill
  • Partial payment on Auto Insurance
  • Model Train paint
Or my personal favorite...
  • Multiple Sheetz orders!
* - After 50% employee discount on MTO (I think, if not the other food items are just as good) items, everyone cross their fingers I get hired here, I have an interview in a few weeks.

Sure, but just think - that one-time payment of $50 is just one month's worth of data charges for your smartphone.

(Can't argue with Sheetz though...wish we had them out here! hehe! :) )
 
Sure, but just think - that one-time payment of $50 is just one month's worth of data charges for your smartphone.

(Can't argue with Sheetz though...wish we had them out here! hehe! :) )
My data is free because the account holder's work pays for it and I'm on a "share everything" plan with 8GB of data allowence. Any overcharges are also paid.
Quite a perk if I must say so myself.
Can't go wrong with sheetz. Ever. EVER.
I could sit there and play around on my laptop with trainz all day if I could. Such an awesome place to be.
 
It's not really distraction, I can sit here and talk on skype while doing geometry calculations for schoolwork, it's just extremely inconvenient since I'm out on the road to relax and enjoy myself, or have the exciting feeling of driving to work.
I also pretty much told the few friends I do have, if I'm driving, don't touch or play with anything in my car. It's setup the way it is for a reason. (especially temperature, I'm extremely sensitive to it for some reason, it has to be like 75 in the car I'm in or I'm not going to be able to relax)

Good, that's encouraging to hear. Wish there were a lot more people with common sense like you. :) Being a native of NJ, where people with common sense are treated like lepers, it seems people spend more time talking on their phone while driving than they do listening to the radio.

Unfortunately, and I wish this were not the case, but it's probably pretty safe to say that not only are you in the minority, but you are a member of an extremely small minority, regardless of where you live.
 
You might be interested in this.

http://www.unews.utah.edu/old/p/062206-1.html

Ban the use of mobile phones. Period.

I've seen it and it's bad.

Another incident... I was on my way to work in rush hour traffic...

Young lady from the privileged town of Andover was driving her brand new BMW. She was in the left lane doing 30 mph and tying up traffic. She was busy texting and talking on her phone as we could all see this. Traffic stopped randomly in front of her. She slammed the brakes on and slid head-long into the stopped vehicles in front of her. If she was paying attention, rather than being self-involved, she would have seen the traffic stopped and would have reacted in time. Thanks to her stupidity and selfishness, I ended up getting stuck in traffic for over two hours.

More recently a child was badly injured due to another lady on a cell phone. She was busy dialing and not paying attention as she sped through a housing development. She went up on the sidewalk and badly injured a small child.

About 10 years ago this happened two houses down from me. A young driver out with her friends, was texting and using her phone. She wasn't paying attention to the curve in the road, nor was she paying attention to the 20 mph on the street either. She hit a parked car which she knocked sideways, proceeded onward and up a stonewall where she hit a telephone pole, then flipped her car over and landed upright. She and her friends were unharmed, luckily, I suppose, but we were without power for 6 hours while National Grid had to replace a pole and transformer. What galled us all was her attitude. She called home to notify her daddy that she was in another accident and got mad at him when he said no to going out for the night!

The worst incident of all... This was on I-495 one night.

I was on my way home late from the office. I just get on to I-495 North when I got stuck on the on ramp. We waited for about an hour and inched ahead. I couldn't go anywhere so I sat, and sat. Eventually we moved forward and saw a horrific accident where someone was killed while stopped in the brake down lane (hard shoulder). The cause of the accident.... Someone on a mobile device either texting or talking and not paying attention. The driver of this car slammed into the back of a car driven by a pregnant woman who had a flat tire. Her other child in the car was killed as well. The mobile phone driver also sustained some injuries. Not paying attention is the theme here, and why these things should not be used.



John
 
I really wish folks knew how to use their brain instead of ruining it for everyone else. I may be halfway close to my $6,800 SUV, but after that I'll only have enough to pay car insurance and the likes, so who knows when I'll get a GPS if cellular devices are banned by then.
 
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