Chicago Metro 3
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kittycraft
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Question, what is going on it that last picture with the 4th car from the lead?
daylightguy
layout builder
Spark most likely the CTA L cars are well known for large sparks to flair If you ever happen to ride the CTA or see an l car running on any CTA lines just look down at the third rail 9 times out of ten you will see a spark and sometimes a big one too now sniper's sparks might be a little over exaderating but you can see some pretty big ones sometimes
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Correct, Sniper297 created them for more realism. I think in large, medium and pathetic.
These are converted NYCTA cars to represent dual powered 4000 and 6000 series Chicago Transit Authority cars. Those ran on outside 3rd rail in the city on the elevated and subway tracks, shifted to overhead trolley poles in the suburbs. Couple videos from when I was working on the spark effects;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eckNfZItBI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om48-UUY0Kw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eckNfZItBI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om48-UUY0Kw
By the way, it's not "large, medium and pathetic", the sizes are "large", "ridiculous", "outrageous", and "are you NUTS?!" :hehe: The real thing don't actually spark THAT bad except in ice storms.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3rKLT-CnHg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3rKLT-CnHg
Looks like someones ark welding in the video.
daylightguy
layout builder
THe Hell I didn't mean that big of a spark but the some times spark quite often, also how many times did they weld the rail that night:hehe: I wonder
I actually had one close up that scared the bejeezzus outa me - I was a construction electrician, we were working on an office building at Wabash & Van Buren one winter when a southbound Englewood came through Tower 12 and welded the first pickup shoe to the third rail and broke it off, then each subsequent shoe hit the one that was welded to the rail and welded to that. We were pulling 1200 amp wires through a conduit inside the building on the corner at the time, and with the sounds and bright blue flashes we all thought we had hit something live in the power room. 
Anyway, more pics of the main route, no sparky trains;
Anyway, more pics of the main route, no sparky trains;
Kenyon_karl
New member
Chicago Metro 3 - Missing Dependencies
I downloaded Chicaho Metro 3 onto my system which is running TS12 with assets from TS 2010EE, and found 4 broken dependencies and 4 missing dependencies. Three of these are BIG ONES for me:
* CTA ELEVATED TRACK <kuid:522774:100073:1>
* CTA ELEVATED TRACK XP5 <kuid:522774:100389:1>
* CTA_Girder_Bridge_1_3m <kuid:522774:100066:1>
I grew up on the South Shore of Chicago near 71st & Jeffery Blvd from 1941 through 1963 and as a member of the Central Electric Railfans Assn. I became very familiar with the remaining streetcar lines, the elevated lines, the Illinois Central Suburban Lines, and even the three interurban lines (one of which is still running).
I really want to pick lots of holes in what you have done, but I'll refrain out of recognition of the obvious enormity of what you have done.
Finally, do keep an eye on the Art Train web site (http://www.freewebs.com/art-train/) as he supposedly has a North Shore Line Greenliner as well as a Silverliner for TS2009. The Chicago North Shore & Milwaukee was the interurban that ran on the elevated line from the Loop to Howard Street, its Shore Line Route used Evanston Branch to just before Linden Ave., Wilmette, before leaving for its trip to North Chicago, while its Skokie Valley Route used what is now the Skokie Swift Branch before leaving for its trips to Mundelein and Milwaukee.
Also, the North Shore cars are similar to the Chicago Aurora & Elgin cars that ran from Wells St. Terminal, over the Garfield Park Line, then the Westchester Branch as far as Bellwood before running to Wheaton where it branched to Aurora, Batavia, Geneva-St.Charles, and Elgin.
In your discussion of sparks from the third rail, remember that Garfield Park line ran on the ground from Laramie on west, and its Westchester Branch did likewise. Also, the outer ends of Douglas Park and Ravenswood lines still do. That means that there is a big gap for each street crossing, and where a gap was near a station, the motorman would have the power on as each car enters the gap. Thus not only would there be a big flash from the end of the third rail, but the car lights would go out as that car was on the crossing.
Also, a two car train could stall on the crossing if it left a station too slowly or had to make an emergency stop, so every crossing had a big yellow box containing the 'stinger' (two wooden poles and electric cable between) necessary to power one car back onto the third rail.
I downloaded Chicaho Metro 3 onto my system which is running TS12 with assets from TS 2010EE, and found 4 broken dependencies and 4 missing dependencies. Three of these are BIG ONES for me:
* CTA ELEVATED TRACK <kuid:522774:100073:1>
* CTA ELEVATED TRACK XP5 <kuid:522774:100389:1>
* CTA_Girder_Bridge_1_3m <kuid:522774:100066:1>
I grew up on the South Shore of Chicago near 71st & Jeffery Blvd from 1941 through 1963 and as a member of the Central Electric Railfans Assn. I became very familiar with the remaining streetcar lines, the elevated lines, the Illinois Central Suburban Lines, and even the three interurban lines (one of which is still running).
I really want to pick lots of holes in what you have done, but I'll refrain out of recognition of the obvious enormity of what you have done.
Finally, do keep an eye on the Art Train web site (http://www.freewebs.com/art-train/) as he supposedly has a North Shore Line Greenliner as well as a Silverliner for TS2009. The Chicago North Shore & Milwaukee was the interurban that ran on the elevated line from the Loop to Howard Street, its Shore Line Route used Evanston Branch to just before Linden Ave., Wilmette, before leaving for its trip to North Chicago, while its Skokie Valley Route used what is now the Skokie Swift Branch before leaving for its trips to Mundelein and Milwaukee.
Also, the North Shore cars are similar to the Chicago Aurora & Elgin cars that ran from Wells St. Terminal, over the Garfield Park Line, then the Westchester Branch as far as Bellwood before running to Wheaton where it branched to Aurora, Batavia, Geneva-St.Charles, and Elgin.
In your discussion of sparks from the third rail, remember that Garfield Park line ran on the ground from Laramie on west, and its Westchester Branch did likewise. Also, the outer ends of Douglas Park and Ravenswood lines still do. That means that there is a big gap for each street crossing, and where a gap was near a station, the motorman would have the power on as each car enters the gap. Thus not only would there be a big flash from the end of the third rail, but the car lights would go out as that car was on the crossing.
Also, a two car train could stall on the crossing if it left a station too slowly or had to make an emergency stop, so every crossing had a big yellow box containing the 'stinger' (two wooden poles and electric cable between) necessary to power one car back onto the third rail.
Can't pick any holes, it's a fictional route. 
Obviously based on the real thing, but more of an idealized fantasy of what the real thing should be, along with concessions for the limitations of the simulator. My original vision for this route was to have all the different trains running on all the routes at the same time, due to inefficiencies in the program I was forced to lame down the AI traffic and make two different kinds of sessions. :'(
As for the CTA track, that's one of them glitches in the download helper - it gets dependencies and sometimes subdependencies, but you usually have to right click on something, view dependencies, view in main list, then look for the dependency(s) with the missing dependency icon. Right click that one, view dependencies, view in main list, sometimes you get subdependencies and sometimes you get yet ANOTHER missing dependency icon, so you gotta find out what the subdependency of the subdependency of the subdependency is and download that.
In the case of the CTA tracks I think you'll find it's bridge sound 01,<kuid:353138:1281> which is creating all the ruckus.
BTW, I grew up near Cicero & Lake Street, 400 north 4800 west, and I rode that last special on the North Shore line to Milwaukee in January 1963.
Also got to ride one at the Illinois Railway Museum about 10 years ago;
Need someone to create a free unrestricted reskinnable NS car, someone did make one for Trainz but it has so many ludicrous restrictions it's useless for sessions.
Obviously based on the real thing, but more of an idealized fantasy of what the real thing should be, along with concessions for the limitations of the simulator. My original vision for this route was to have all the different trains running on all the routes at the same time, due to inefficiencies in the program I was forced to lame down the AI traffic and make two different kinds of sessions. :'(As for the CTA track, that's one of them glitches in the download helper - it gets dependencies and sometimes subdependencies, but you usually have to right click on something, view dependencies, view in main list, then look for the dependency(s) with the missing dependency icon. Right click that one, view dependencies, view in main list, sometimes you get subdependencies and sometimes you get yet ANOTHER missing dependency icon, so you gotta find out what the subdependency of the subdependency of the subdependency is and download that.
In the case of the CTA tracks I think you'll find it's bridge sound 01,<kuid:353138:1281> which is creating all the ruckus.BTW, I grew up near Cicero & Lake Street, 400 north 4800 west, and I rode that last special on the North Shore line to Milwaukee in January 1963.
Also got to ride one at the Illinois Railway Museum about 10 years ago;
Need someone to create a free unrestricted reskinnable NS car, someone did make one for Trainz but it has so many ludicrous restrictions it's useless for sessions.
And furthermore...
Since we got some sparky fans here, few more sparky screenshots. I should mention here this is NOT an elevated/subway route, it's actually a freight switching route, but since Chicago railroads are all intertangled it's a freight switching route with passenger trains and stations and includes an elevated/subway/streetcar route. No restrictions, so anyone who wants to clone the route and use it as a base to make it into whatever kind of route floats your boat, feel free to do so. The whole point of sharing free stuff is to get more free stuff, if you upload your own version of this route I might like yours better than mine, you never know. :wave:
Since we got some sparky fans here, few more sparky screenshots. I should mention here this is NOT an elevated/subway route, it's actually a freight switching route, but since Chicago railroads are all intertangled it's a freight switching route with passenger trains and stations and includes an elevated/subway/streetcar route. No restrictions, so anyone who wants to clone the route and use it as a base to make it into whatever kind of route floats your boat, feel free to do so. The whole point of sharing free stuff is to get more free stuff, if you upload your own version of this route I might like yours better than mine, you never know. :wave:
daylightguy
layout builder
sweet shot of the green line when it ran street level I wish they still did an can this chicago metro run on trs 2009?
Service pack 4 yes, that was the main point of the update. I have TS2009 registered in my youngest son's name, so it don't show up in my station stops, but after fighting for a couple weeks to get the route working in TS2009 SP4 I did all the rest of the work in that, then tested in TS2010 and TS12 so it should work in all three.
"Green Line", I'll never be able to think of it as anything but the Lake Street L since I lived most of my life near it. We moved from Cicero & Lake to Laramie & Lake in 1963, so I had a front row seat for the construction work in 64 and 65 as they built that banked S curve across to the C&NW viaduct.
"Green Line", I'll never be able to think of it as anything but the Lake Street L since I lived most of my life near it. We moved from Cicero & Lake to Laramie & Lake in 1963, so I had a front row seat for the construction work in 64 and 65 as they built that banked S curve across to the C&NW viaduct.
Kenyon_karl
New member
I finally figured out how to load the missing 'bridge sound 01' and also the 'kiln' to resolve a problem with 'calcining plant 4 kilns', loaded the various CTA 4000 and CTA 6000 cars, and finally a scenerio with a single CTA 4000 in the yard at the end of the Lake Street line. When all done, I took a ride east on Lake Street line, south on the Wells Street side of the Loop, west on Douglas Park (or was it Garfield Park) line. I finished by riding through the streets of the Western suburbs, and finally the countryside back to the yard at the end of Lake St.
I could complain some more about the street trackage, as the elevated trains NEVER ran in the street. Likewise, the Chicago streetcars NEVER ran on the elevated structure. But the North Shore line cars would look good on all parts of your route, as they have trap doors for street stops and low level platforms.
There are apparently scenarios for Chicago Metro version 2 lurking on Download Station. Will they work on Version 3?
I could complain some more about the street trackage, as the elevated trains NEVER ran in the street. Likewise, the Chicago streetcars NEVER ran on the elevated structure. But the North Shore line cars would look good on all parts of your route, as they have trap doors for street stops and low level platforms.
There are apparently scenarios for Chicago Metro version 2 lurking on Download Station. Will they work on Version 3?
Doubt it, even if you hacked the config to change the map KUID when the trackplan changes it usually makes the session incompatible. As for the L trains running in the street;
Need to keep in mind the name of the route - "Chicago Metro" is fictional, the conglomeration of railroads never existed in real life. Drive the main part of the route and you'll find the Burlington racetrack is all wrong, and the south end of Cicero yard leads to the Port Ogden & Northern, another fictional route that never existed in real life.
Again, if anyone wants to, feel free to clone the route and use it as a base for creating your own prototype route, there are SOME sections that are prototypically accurate or close enough that they would only need a few changes.
Need to keep in mind the name of the route - "Chicago Metro" is fictional, the conglomeration of railroads never existed in real life. Drive the main part of the route and you'll find the Burlington racetrack is all wrong, and the south end of Cicero yard leads to the Port Ogden & Northern, another fictional route that never existed in real life.
Again, if anyone wants to, feel free to clone the route and use it as a base for creating your own prototype route, there are SOME sections that are prototypically accurate or close enough that they would only need a few changes.