Campaign to retain full DLS for TRS2004/06
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simulatortrain
jointed freaking rails
Umm, yeah? I'm not getting 09/10, and so will not have DLS access...
BLACKWATCH
Mechanical Engineer
Has it ever occured to you that some of "the luddites" that you are discriminating against, may not be buying TS2010 because they can't afford to upgrade their machine to run the damn game ?
Just because you can afford to throw your stash around, others may not be so bloody fortunate. ( I so hate elitists, they're all 'me,me,me & sod the rest of you' )
My 'stash' ? As I've already stated on this thread, I'm disabled and receive the usual pittance in benefits. It took me several months to scrape together the £25 or so that 2010 cost. And I'm not alone. Surely if WE can afford it, then pretty much anyone could save for a couple of months too, if things are truely that bad.
Ironically, however, half of the 'noooo 2010 is evil, stay with 2004!!' luddites purport to be payware content creators, so surely the cost to them shouldn't even be an issue - after all, if it can justify one or two extra sales to ensure their content is error free, then it'd be profit.
BLACKWATCH
Mechanical Engineer
What part of "can't afford to upgrade their machine to run the damn game", is in your blind eye ?
It's not the £25 that the game costs, it's the other couple of hundred quid to up the processor & video card that is the problem.
Not every TRS2004 user has a machine that will run 2010. GOT THAT NOW ?
builder300544
Wrong side of 65
Hi,
I don,t really think the '2010' lobbyists are discriminating against the others. We just feel that the game should not be brought under jeapordy because some people want to carry on with old software.
After all, do you feel that the original Playstation and Xbox users should still have software produced for them, to the detriment of Playstation3 and Xbox 360 users.
Cheers, John
BLACKWATCH
Mechanical Engineer
If creators want to carry on producing their content to be usable by people with '2004', why shouldn't they ?
'2010' is not going to be "brought under jeapordy", by having '2004' stuff on the DLS, otherwise Auran would be removing all pre-'2009' content from the DLS in September, but they have said that is not happening, '2004' content will still be on there.
'2010' is not going to be "brought under jeapordy", by having '2004' stuff on the DLS, otherwise Auran would be removing all pre-'2009' content from the DLS in September, but they have said that is not happening, '2004' content will still be on there.
johnwhelan
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I've yet to come across a machine that will not run the same content on the same settings at least the same frame rate in TS2010 native mode as TRS2004. Most will see a noticeable increase in frame rate.
The more recent content is more demanding and does need a more powerful machine.
Things such as the DXT compression mean that the file sizes sent to the video card are smaller ie faster, if you have a dual core machine then TS2010 is almost certainly faster. I agree some very old video cards may not support DXT compression but anything younger than about eight years old should be fine.
Cheerio John
I said this earlier on in this thread, but Auran should release a Demo of TS2010 so that people can see how it performs on their machine.
As for how it performs in comparison to earlier versions of Trainz on the same hardware, I can't comment because my machines have all been updated significantly since the last version I used regularly (TRS2004).
I make no apology for being able to afford to upgrade my machines, but I certainly understand why those who can't afford to upgrade are getting hot under the collar when people keep telling them to upgrade.
Again, Auran could have nipped this in the bud a long time ago by releasing a Demo of TS2010.
As for those that won't upgrade to TS2010 for other reasons like worries about content not working correctly, well I'm afraid I don't understand.
After TRS2004, I tried TRS2006 and binned it because of CMP, ignored the rubbish Trainz Classics and just bought TC3 (which was rarely used because I found TRS2004 better).
Then I joined in the public beta of TS2009 and got the hell out of there because of the texture compression error that I was the first to encounter (at least publicly) and it was months before Chris or anyone else at Auran believed that the problem even existed, only eventually admitting there was a problem when enough people were suffering with it.
All of the above convinced me more than ever that TRS2004 was the one to stick with, and I spent a lot of time away from here because of my loss of faith in Auran and Trainz.
When I came back, as TS2010 was about to be released, I looked into TS2010 thoroughly (taking care to ignore all corporate PR buzz words in the advertising) and decided to give TS2010 a go.
Believe me, if TS2010 was playing up on my machines, you'd have seen me complaining about it in no uncertain terms.
Smiley.
As for how it performs in comparison to earlier versions of Trainz on the same hardware, I can't comment because my machines have all been updated significantly since the last version I used regularly (TRS2004).
I make no apology for being able to afford to upgrade my machines, but I certainly understand why those who can't afford to upgrade are getting hot under the collar when people keep telling them to upgrade.
Again, Auran could have nipped this in the bud a long time ago by releasing a Demo of TS2010.
As for those that won't upgrade to TS2010 for other reasons like worries about content not working correctly, well I'm afraid I don't understand.
After TRS2004, I tried TRS2006 and binned it because of CMP, ignored the rubbish Trainz Classics and just bought TC3 (which was rarely used because I found TRS2004 better).
Then I joined in the public beta of TS2009 and got the hell out of there because of the texture compression error that I was the first to encounter (at least publicly) and it was months before Chris or anyone else at Auran believed that the problem even existed, only eventually admitting there was a problem when enough people were suffering with it.
All of the above convinced me more than ever that TRS2004 was the one to stick with, and I spent a lot of time away from here because of my loss of faith in Auran and Trainz.
When I came back, as TS2010 was about to be released, I looked into TS2010 thoroughly (taking care to ignore all corporate PR buzz words in the advertising) and decided to give TS2010 a go.
Believe me, if TS2010 was playing up on my machines, you'd have seen me complaining about it in no uncertain terms.
- So, if you can't afford to upgrade your machine, and you're not sure how it will run on your current machine, petition Auran for something realistic, like getting a demo out so you can see for yourself.
- If you don't want to upgrade because of worries of how old content works with it, do a little research on the forums. Most things can be fixed easily.
- If you don't want to upgrade because you think that TRS2004 does everything that you want from a Train Simulator, then I would suggest downloading everything you want from the DS before September, or buy a FCT and keep having access to TRS2004 content beyond that.
Smiley.
amigacooke
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I think this question as it relates to the DLS has already been answered by Auran.
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You're earlier post states that you only create to earlier standards and don't take advantage of the capabilities of 2010. Does that make you a Luddite as well?
Dave....
'someone' being another financially stringent corporation.
I personally think if Auran/wtfeverFAIL had not leaped light years ahead in doing 2009/2010, and instead focused effort on fixing age old issues, (If you don't know what these issues are by now, you're either new or ignorant), then there would be a much higher level of support from the people since they have a version of Trainz that ACTUALLY WORKS.
I agree 100% with simulatortrain, both because he is my friend, and we are both part of MGTrainz; a website that SUPPORTS 2004/2006 because those versions of Trainz ACTUALLY WORK.http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?t=55322&page=2
Could you, just one time, realize not everyone cares for the new content. Why don't you put up a comparison with compatibility mode instead of these canned answers you are so fond of. Native mode is nice, but useless if you wish to use anything but the new trees. Even then you need to be sparing or your frame rates suffer. Not an issue in older versions on todays machines using current content.
Did a little experimenting in 09 in native. Had to cut way back on the foliage to keep frame rates above slide shows. Hardly an improvement, and, in my opinion, a step back, even if I could stomach the look of them.
Dave.....
READ THIS
I view this as well said, Austin. I've kindly made it better to understand for the a$$hats around here to read.
Us 'younger kids' aren't as dumb as you people think.
I view this as well said, Austin. I've kindly made it better to understand for the a$$hats around here to read.
Us 'younger kids' aren't as dumb as you people think.
Gandalf0444
FVRR member
I am not apart of MGTrainz however I have to 100% agree with that statement. If you look at all the downloads on various 3rd party websites, what versions of trainz is most of the content for?
For example all of the content on TCR except for about 3 pieces of content are all for 06. Why? Because it WORKS. When something WORKS do you run out to fix it? As the saying goes don't fix something that ain't broke. It is stupid, pointless, and a waste of money.
Let me blow this up in size, because this is probably the best point I've seen ANYWHERE in this thread:
Not every TRS2004 user has a machine that will run 2010.
DOES THY POPULACE UNDERSTAND?
MrScott2006
Banned
Mine won't run it. In 2005 I spent $2200 on this computer just to run TRS2006. Now that dedication to a product! This computer falls short for running TRS2010.
Perfect example people; I'm pretty damned sure that just about nobody has an extra $2K lying around to make their computer better!
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