Campaign to retain full DLS for TRS2004/06

[falcon500]

The purpose of what Auran is doing is to get Trainz users to buy the latest versions. After the deadline any new content will have to be Trainz Classics or above, so you'll have to have at least that to DL anything new. If you are creating for TRS2004 or 2006 you need to have a later version for error checking, it's not just a case of changing the version number. Many items that had been corrected in TC3 showed errors when imported to TS2010.
Buildings made to TRS2004 standards may work okay in 2010, but the same doesn't apply to trees. If I want to make trees for TS2010 it's a hell of lot more work in Gmax. I think that Trainz users should be able to upload content for whatever version they own. After all it's us that keep it all going buying their software and FCTs, but maybe the customers' opinions counts for little with Auran.

 

[Dinorius_Redundicus]

How is it that uploading legacy assets after September is an insurmountable programming nightmare and cost, but at the same time, retaining existing legacy assets (apart from perhaps a few error-ridden examples) and allowing downloads is no problem? I really don't follow the apparent contradiction in Auran's logic.

 

[colhad]

Slowly but surely, TRS is losing its appeal. It's a good prgramme in its own right but the company that releases it is spoiling it.

 

[happyj]

Blackwatch

Thanks, but happyj is very happy as he has downloaded sufficient content to keep him going for several years . Consequently my interest in the DLS is minimal.

Auran however should be vey careful about what they do with same as I don't see comtent makers flocking to the new versions.

Cheers.

 

[mezzoprezzo]

Thanks, but happyj is very happy as he has downloaded sufficient content to keep him going for several years . Consequently my interest in the DLS is minimal.

Auran however should be vey careful about what they do with same as I don't see comtent makers flocking to the new versions.

Cheers.

Perhaps Auran/N3V will with-hold their salaries.

Oh sorry, I was forgetting for a moment that creators do/did* it completely free of charge!


* delete as appropriate

Cheers
Casper

 

[mezzoprezzo]

Having re-read Zec Murphy's response in post #337 it might be significant that the wording might just indicate scope for a possible change in policy, and allow uploads in TRS2004/06 – and therefore the ability for purchasers (after September) of DLS First Class Tickets to continue to be able to download new assets.

I have read that the work involved for Auran is, “near impossible”, and, this work, “would be a lot easier”.

No-where is it stated that the work involved is impossible.

Looking at the DLS a few minute ago, I see that there are 167 items when ticking the TS2009 SP4/TS2010 box only. Most of the results have a, “one size fits all”, thumbnail. I hate those.

Tick the TRS2004 and/or the TRS2006 box only, and you get the usual vibrant, meaningful return of results – with “what you see is what you get”, thumbnails - and plenty of them.

A vision of the future?

Still time to put things right Auran/N3V – for the benefit of all.

It appears that the wonderfully balanced loop which combines route builders, asset creators and general users may be being broken forever.

If you want a familiar DLS, and are willing to pay for an FCT after September, please feel free to support this campaign.

Casper

 

[zues]

I am a little wary of this, but I think I can prove my point. See when the crators made the content the intended it to be free for everyone to use. and NOT have to pay for it. No when and if they can upload new content they might as well make it payware on another site because then the creator would get the money for his work instead of auran. See if you do black the DLS. it not REALLY going to stop people from getting the stuff. they will be put on sites and by which most of use can servive if we are all on one forum and can help each other. It prolly wont sway in auran getting people to buy the new versions. Because they can servive with out the DLS. But it is (what I think) a violation. paying for something that is ment to be free, I just dont think thats right.
Correct me If i am wrong as I am only 14 and have limited knowlege of this stuff. But I think I proved my point.
thanks for your time.

Austin

 

[simulatortrain]

Post deleted, Auran doesn't care about me and my "obsolete" content.

 

[narrowgauge]

Zues

You are making the same error that other have made, buying an FCT is to pay for access to the DLS if your version of Trainz is unsupported. As now the content you will download will be free, it will not become payware just because you are contributing to hosting costs. We buy FCT's now and no-one complains that we are paying for the content.

Wherever you go hosting has to be paid for, especially when you consider the bandwidth and storage space that Auran are paying for.

Peter

 

[JCitron]

I think the programming costs of supporting the older formats etc should not be under estimated. The simpler we can make the environment the more robust it becomes. One of the benefits of cleaning up for Y2K is we cleared out a lot of junk.

Cheerio John

I agree, John.

To me this is like, as I said before, cleaning out the fridge of all the little dishes of molding peas, mashed potatos, and other stuff that collects as we add in new and fresher items.

John

 

[amigacooke]

I have no intentions of purchasing 09 or 10. I am perfectly content with using 06, and by no means want to try to amass the collection I have gathered again, especially when half of it may not even work. If I download a new route, but can't use the DLS, where do I get missing content? If I need a small detail I know I've seen on the DLS, how do I get it? The DLS was intended to remain an easy, free way to get content. Why isn't it staying that way? You lost me as a purchase. This shift in philosophy means I'm not supporting it.

I might be being thick, but it seems that whether Auran change their policy or not you wouldn't be buying a new version.

 

[martinvk]

Having re-read Zec Murphy's response in post #337 it might be significant that the wording might just indicate ...
No-where is it stated that the work involved is impossible.

can this point be given a rest? This is sounding more and more like a middle ages philosophy course about the length of long.

Looking at the DLS a few minute ago, I see that there are 167 items when ticking the TS2009 SP4/TS2010 box only. Most of the results have a, “one size fits all”, thumbnail. I hate those.

Tick the TRS2004 and/or the TRS2006 box only, and you get the usual vibrant, meaningful return of results – with “what you see is what you get”, thumbnails - and plenty of them.

A vision of the future?

...

and this broken record of "there are only a few TS2009/TS2010 on the DLS" is getting old real fast too. If it is flagged TS2009/TS2010 it will only work in those versions BUT TS2009 and even more so, TS2010 can use items flagged with earlier versions. Trotting out this old numbers ploy is not only meaningless, it's misleading. The flags are minimum version guides. Just like TRS2004 can use UTC items, UTC will likely choke on items that use TRS2004 features.

 

[martinvk]

I have no intentions of purchasing 09 or 10. ... The DLS was intended to remain an easy, free way to get content. Why isn't it staying that way? You lost me as a purchase. This shift in philosophy means I'm not supporting it.

Glad you know what the original intent was. And the way you throw around this concept of free, like it was some sort of magic incantation. As someone once said, TANSTAAFL.

Anything you get for free is paid for by someone else. Perhaps that someone else is getting tired of giving others a free ride.

 

[NikkiA]

can this point be given a rest? This is sounding more and more like a middle ages philosophy course about the length of long.
and this broken record of "there are only a few TS2009/TS2010 on the DLS" is getting old real fast too. If it is flagged TS2009/TS2010 it will only work in those versions BUT TS2009 and even more so, TS2010 can use items flagged with earlier versions. Trotting out this old numbers ploy is not only meaningless, it's misleading. The flags are minimum version guides. Just like TRS2004 can use UTC items, UTC will likely choke on items that use TRS2004 features.

It's for this reason that I'm creating all of my newer items with 3.1 build tag only. Sure, they're 2004/2006 compatible, features wise, but if I ever release them to the DLS then I want to ensure that a) the luddites can't use them, and b) that it increases the object count for 2010.

(That said, it's unlikely I'll release any more of my items to the DLS, too much of a whiney community to want to contribute to it)

 

[IsambardKingdomBrunel]

Got to agree with the last three posters.

Onwards and upwards...............

IKB.

 

[IsambardKingdomBrunel]

I agree, John.

To me this is like, as I said before, cleaning out the fridge of all the little dishes of molding peas, mashed potatos, and other stuff that collects as we add in new and fresher items.

John

You must be rich then John, i eat all those left overs and mouldy bits. :hehe:

IKB.

 

[j_maybury]

Quote: Originally Posted by JCitron
I agree, John.

To me this is like, as I said before, cleaning out the fridge of all the little dishes of molding peas, mashed potatos, and other stuff that collects as we add in new and fresher items.

John

You must be rich then John, i eat all those left overs and mouldy bits. :hehe:

IKB.

Bubble and Squeak YUM

 

[sparky15]

It's for this reason that I'm creating all of my newer items with 3.1 build tag only. Sure, they're 2004/2006 compatible, features wise, but if I ever release them to the DLS then I want to ensure that a) the luddites can't use them, and b) that it increases the object count for 2010.

(That said, it's unlikely I'll release any more of my items to the DLS, too much of a whiney community to want to contribute to it)

Proof that any Trainz user has something to contribute no matter which version they use. Sorry, but this has to be the most "whiney" thing I have ever heard. What next, the Luddites make sure they only build something that throws errors at 09/10? Either position would be childish at best and serves no purpose but to inhibit the growth of this hobby.

Anyone with something useful to contribute should be allowed to do so. You have 2010 but don't take advantage of the new features. No different than an 04/06 user uploading his content for you to use. Cutting that off based on build number benefits nobody except some false sense of elitism. You've already decided not to upload your content, your choice. Some have already expressed an intent to stop uploading theirs also. Nothing like stagnation to move something forward.

Dave......

 

[paulhobbs]

I have read that the work involved for Auran is, “near impossible”, and, this work, “would be a lot easier”.

I think you'll find that 'near impossible' is nearer to 'impossible' that it is to 'doable'. For those who don't speak Auran I'll translate it - 'it ain't gonna happen'.

Paul

 

[simulatortrain]

I might be being thick, but it seems that whether Auran change their policy or not you wouldn't be buying a new version.

No, I had been considering it.