I got no problem at all sending you an example smart guy ... we've both got a VIA LRC coach mesh , I'll drop a render in you mailbox and we'll compare skills , how about that ?? . If you want a completed model I'll do you a rasonable price .
Campaign to retain full DLS for TRS2004/06
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I got no problem at all sending you an example smart guy ... we've both got a VIA LRC coach mesh , I'll drop a render in you mailbox and we'll compare skills , how about that ?? . If you want a completed model I'll do you a rasonable price .
Well I see the 'elitism' of "you are not a creator so have no rights" has raised it ugly little head yet one more time.
Because of the "if you do not agree with me you are some kind of idiot" attitude that has become apparent in this thread, I withdraw my support.
Talk about going around in ever decreasing circles, I am out of this thread before I catch up to myself and disappear up my own backside.
Cheers David
Because of the "if you do not agree with me you are some kind of idiot" attitude that has become apparent in this thread, I withdraw my support.
Talk about going around in ever decreasing circles, I am out of this thread before I catch up to myself and disappear up my own backside.
Cheers David
Dinorius_Redundicus
kuid 68213
Well yeah, precisely.
Don't know how you can say that. I presume you're talking about 3rd party sites. These have been mentioned many times in this discussion. They may be excellent as secondary or backup repositories for assets, but I don't think they compare to the DLS from a users point of view. Why? Well, they don't 'talk' to the game software like the DLS does, forcing people to go on manual hunts for kuids. They often don't have the same error checks or searchability (if that's a word) as the DLS. Plus they can go out of business at the drop of a hat.
No, down right hilarious...
What is your point...we have been assured that if TRS2004 is installed on your computer that the DLS will allow downloads...
By golly the trash needs to go...the only thing is deceased Content Creators assets need to be updated...the others need to upgrade or allow by e-mail notice that someone will upgrade the assets.
The payer of the servers say the DLS will be here....for you.
Why swamp a good thing with content that will not work?
What is your point...we have been assured that if TRS2004 is installed on your computer that the DLS will allow downloads...By golly the trash needs to go...the only thing is deceased Content Creators assets need to be updated...the others need to upgrade or allow by e-mail notice that someone will upgrade the assets.
The payer of the servers say the DLS will be here....for you.
Why swamp a good thing with content that will not work?
Well Yeah
I'll give ya the search function ( though from limited experience I don't think the DLS search function is all that hot ) ... but don't people hunt for kuids now ?? An annoucement of availability in the freeware forum with a link will direct those with an interest in anything you got to the site you placed them on , so explain the difference ?? . Won't anything imported through CMP still error check the asset ?? , I'm sure it does , I've seen enough complaints here from people complaining that CMP says the asset is broken
Show me a guarantee anywhere that , this forum , the DLS or Auran will still be here this time next year , I'll bet you can't , no-one has a crystal ball .
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American_Connections
AC MonkeyWrench Models
Common to all
This is just what the Trainz Resources Directory is all about! One place to find everything, much more than what Auran's DLS offers even now!
Dave, thats rubbish.
This is from the Microsoft software life cycle policy
On a smaller level, a well known telecoms supplier I used dropped support for a product I required with NO prior warning about 3 months after we purchased it. They were well within their rights to do so. (We are of course still covered if it is faulty...)
Lets be clear - companies are under NO obligation to provide free support for software. If software is faulty then you are able to return it for a refund. That'll be the case even if you managed somehow to buy 2006 after September. Thats the only obligation any company has to its customers.
CincySouthernRwy
Trainz Jedi
THAT's funny...
I got on here to search out a "updating my hardware" thread to see what I should look into getting to upgrade my computer. The machine I had been running Trainz on as all but bitten the dust and I was looking at getting something that could run Trainz well with all the sliders turned up full.
As it turns out, this thread and the bad news it bears may save me the trouble of having to research and spend my hard-earned money on a computer hardware upgrade.
I've tried TRS2006 and was very unimpressed with the downgrade to the Trainz franchise. So far, I can't say I've read any reason for purchasing TRS2009, 2010, or 20xx. It appears to be an acquisition of too many problems and not enough improvements to warrant a move away from TRS2004.
My kids are eager to start (re)building our N scale model railroad that has been in mothballs since we moved here 2 years ago. My oldest received a Susquehanna GP18 that she is eager to operate. My middle child is all about running steam.
This slap in the face to any customer who has purchased TRS2004 and cheerled Auran's products (like me) might signal a good time to step away from the computer and get back to the workbench. And right after someone made a good 2-10-2 for Trainz, too. Geeze.
If I can't upload Trainz content to the DLS without worrying about what number is typed for the version, then obviously I have better things to do than waste it (waste it is how Auran apparently now sees it) making content for Trainz.
Or maybe I should check out MSTS. I hear someone made a Big Six for the B&O.
I got on here to search out a "updating my hardware" thread to see what I should look into getting to upgrade my computer. The machine I had been running Trainz on as all but bitten the dust and I was looking at getting something that could run Trainz well with all the sliders turned up full.
As it turns out, this thread and the bad news it bears may save me the trouble of having to research and spend my hard-earned money on a computer hardware upgrade.
I've tried TRS2006 and was very unimpressed with the downgrade to the Trainz franchise. So far, I can't say I've read any reason for purchasing TRS2009, 2010, or 20xx. It appears to be an acquisition of too many problems and not enough improvements to warrant a move away from TRS2004.
My kids are eager to start (re)building our N scale model railroad that has been in mothballs since we moved here 2 years ago. My oldest received a Susquehanna GP18 that she is eager to operate. My middle child is all about running steam.
This slap in the face to any customer who has purchased TRS2004 and cheerled Auran's products (like me) might signal a good time to step away from the computer and get back to the workbench. And right after someone made a good 2-10-2 for Trainz, too. Geeze.
If I can't upload Trainz content to the DLS without worrying about what number is typed for the version, then obviously I have better things to do than waste it (waste it is how Auran apparently now sees it) making content for Trainz.
Or maybe I should check out MSTS. I hear someone made a Big Six for the B&O.
oh well....
CincySouthernRwy, you have been pumping out the prjindigo locomotives forever...
These units you built, are easily imported to TS2010. With PEVSoft tools, you can't build something that I cannot enjoy into the current build.
On this franchise, you only need to observe the upgrades offered with each new build...
I tried route-building in TRS2004. Why restrict your work to a sim that is not something that everyone would enjoy on TS2010?
Just inquire on the upgrade to Windows 7. That's the key.
CincySouthernRwy, you have been pumping out the prjindigo locomotives forever...These units you built, are easily imported to TS2010. With PEVSoft tools, you can't build something that I cannot enjoy into the current build.
On this franchise, you only need to observe the upgrades offered with each new build...
I tried route-building in TRS2004. Why restrict your work to a sim that is not something that everyone would enjoy on TS2010?
Just inquire on the upgrade to Windows 7. That's the key.
builder300544
Wrong side of 65
Surely this is what all these arguments are about.
Why can,t posters understand that 'Auran' as it was no longer exists and what we have is N3V a software publishing company who is prepared to see Trainz keep on developing (using 'Auran' as a trademark only), but are only prepared to continue using their money as long as they are receiving a reasonable return on their investments.
Members sticking to 2004 and 2006 and also expecting completely free downloads are not making any contribution to the finances. Even more worse in my opinion are those members who insist on recommending to new customers only to buy this older software.
At the end of the day N3V is a company and the decision on the future of Trainz will be a financial decision only.
If we wish to see our beloved Trainz continue then it is up to us to support N3V's actions.
Cheers, John
narrowgauge
92 year oldTrainz veteran
Some sense at last. About time.
Peter
Peter
How's trainz going to keep going if they don't earn money? They could make downloads payware, but of course then the creators would pay or something like that, but would you prefer to pay, say 2.50 $US for every loco and 1.50$US for every piece of rolling stock and $5US for every route? Or would you prefer paying $50 every couple of years for a newer version?? Besides, if you use 2004, you're using a 61/2 year old software when you could use a 61/2 week old software with 0'10
Jamie
Or something like that
Jamie
Or something like that
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If Auran started making payware rolling stock, the chicken-littles would moan louder than ever, 'who will buy/download MY trains if auran is making OFFICIAL trains' they would scream.
mezzoprezzo
Content appreciator
Hello John,
Having started this thread I'd just like to gently refer back to my post #1.
The proposal was never asking for it to be completely free. I fully understand the business, if not the technical, reasons behind this.
My proposal was intended as a simple change to allow full DLS access to those of us who choose to stay with earlier versions, for whatever reason - and pay. Win-win.
I even did some simple costings in a later post.
Financial decisions are, in part, usually based on customer demand. Out of interest, I wonder if N3V measured the demand for continued full DLS access for 04/06/09 and its income potential - or is this thread the first bit of market research?
There is still time for a shift in policy. To me it doesn't seem to be a big change.
TRS2004/06 support can be dropped - as planned. Mine has all come from the community, a great deal of it from contributors to this thread from different sides of the argument. I still greatly value that support from my early day here, and look forward to more in the future.
N3V can still have my money for FCT and TS2010, until I want to use it. In return I'd like full access - including new items, for the reasons already stated.
I fully agree that recommending older Trainz versions is not productive, and in no-ones interest. I guess that supporters of any version will always come to the defence of their own, when a single version is stated to be the best. However, this thread, I believe, is not the place to advertise any of them. It's all subjective. I'm sure they are all good to those who like them. Although I'm very interested in the comparitive merits of the different versions, I suggest we beat each other up (nicely!) in the private threads.
In closing (for now), the proposals for an alternative third party DLS has to be realistic. The current DLS platform when running well, provides a perfect service, at least for me. It's there day and night. When it goes down, it gets fixed - even if we do have to wait a while sometimes.
I'll look forward with interest to what may be available elsewhere that can equally satisfy the needs of uploaders and downloaders. But it will be a tough call. It's an easy promise, but hard to deliver 24/7 without the financial and technical backing.
Meanwhile, I still hope N3V can be persuaded.
Cheers
Casper
(PS: I've put on my helmet from page 1 of the GMax tutorial. I hope I won't need it!)
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I don't see the problem.
I create because I like to and because I need my objects in my routes. What anyone else thinks or does with them is just extra. As for TSxxxxx standards, I don't create for the ages, just for the current version. As versions and standards change, so will I. Any objects I'm still using and interested in will be brought along. Others will be left behind until such time as I develop a need for them too.
If you're only creating for the ego boost of seeing them downloaded by others,then yes it could be disheartening to see them relegated to the dustbin of history.
Without being rude, and with my best possible intentions, I agree.
It's logically sane for them to move on, and stay with it. By threatening them with things like losing another customer, is not going to achieve much. There are reasons why new things replace old ones, new technologies, new skills, new ideas. Ive seen this kind of argument on so many other forums before (bibble, ms flight sim, etc etc).
I have 2006, and even if they stop DLS, why would that make 2006 unplayable. You can keep on playing it forever can't you?
I have bought 2010 though, and will be coercing myself to get used to it and enjoy it, and move on. In South Africa, it cost me R350, its quite alot of money, (same as the cost of 2 people eating a 3 course meal at a restaurant, or a tank of petrol in my car), but I think it's worth it
Be fair on them guys, their as much a business that needs to keep on existing, as they are a passionate group of developers of awesome simulations.
builder300544
Wrong side of 65
Hi Casper,
My interpretation of your original post is that you want the current system to continue, but with the proviso that access to the DLS is only via FCT.
I would probably have agreed to that except from reading posts from Auran the income from FCT's basically only pays for the running of the DLS servers etc. It is not finacially viable for them to continue the current DLS and allow for older content to be uploaded.
I assume this means that there has to be a continual flow of income from sales of recent software, and the only way of ensuring this is to strive to provide a good level of service for the current versions, albeit to the detriment of earlier versions.
I appreciate that you personally have bought the recent software and applaud that. I myself have purchased every version of Trainz released together with a lifetime FCT and have to admit I still stuck with 2006 until a few weeks ago. However this was not because I thought 2006 was the best, I was just to lazy to transfer my routes. However now that I have, believe me it,s the best way to go.
Cheers, John
I got no problem at all sending you an example smart guy ... we've both got a VIA LRC coach mesh , I'll drop a render in you mailbox and we'll compare skills , how about that ?? . If you want a completed model I'll do you a rasonable price .
Where on earth did he mention that he's competing with you on to see who makes a better Coach?
It didn't sound like he was interested in payware either. (Gee, like a lot of people who have put countless hours into making freeware content.)
Its my understanding that as long as you have a registered version of Trainz, you can continue to download content for all versions upto that version, when did Auran announce that they were going to cut off access to the DLS for folks who want to download content?
My understanding is that we have access for all our versions of Trainz, for download, with or without an FCT, the end comes for those who wish to "UPLOAD" content for older versions, not downloading, as much of the older content is still usable in newer versions of Trainz, for Auran to require that anyone actually purchase a FCT, would amount to Auran suddenly becoming a "payware" site!
My understanding is that we have access for all our versions of Trainz, for download, with or without an FCT, the end comes for those who wish to "UPLOAD" content for older versions, not downloading, as much of the older content is still usable in newer versions of Trainz, for Auran to require that anyone actually purchase a FCT, would amount to Auran suddenly becoming a "payware" site!
I got no problem at all sending you an example smart guy ... we've both got a VIA LRC coach mesh , I'll drop a render in you mailbox and we'll compare skills , how about that ?? . If you want a completed model I'll do you a rasonable price .
You're missing my point, again. I'm not trying to compare skill levels here (never said anything about skill level). I just didn't see any of your creations on the DLS and the DLS is the subject of conversation here. And contrary to Martins post, I don't give a flip about any false ego boost of download count. I don't even know what my download count is and don't care. What I do care about is an arbitrary decision that may delete all of my hard work off the DLS even though it works just fine in TS2009. Where's the logic?
By the way Sci, I'd be glad to look at your work if you can give me a link to some of it. I may be singing your praises about your skillful work.
Mike
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