Campaign to retain full DLS for TRS2004/06

[aardvark1]

....snip...I feel that Auran are only doing this because they want to help the computer industries sell their overpriced super computers and so that they can sell more copies of their new ultra real sim. Hence, with the price of it, they'd earn super profit. They're doing this out of greed. Auran have now gone all of a sudden greedy for money.

This has to be the most brilliant hypothesis that I have seen in this thread.

So, this little niche market company, located outside of Brisbane, AU, with Windwalkr, Bloodnok, Spiffy, Zec and Nigel ( the systems guy) will influence the global PC market and satisfy their greed.

----sigh----

Oh well, have fun

 

[martinvk]

Who said conspiracies had to make sense or be logical? That would ruin them. The wilder and more outlandish, the more some people will believe. :wave:

 

[4ndylloyd]

I give up

What started as a petition type thread to try and get Auran to leave things as they are has become a discussion on how Auran are apparently conspiring amongst themselves to suppliment the computer market!

 

[johnwhelan]

Got my vote, and even if you were to create a clone of me who likes money and has an extremely high paying job, this would even get the clone's vote. I was thinking of posting this earlier. I feel that Auran are only doing this because they want to help the computer industries sell their overpriced super computers and so that they can sell more copies of their new ultra real sim. Hence, with the price of it, they'd earn super profit. They're doing this out of greed. Auran have now gone all of a sudden greedy for money.

It's not the game that needs the higher end computers its the new content that uses bigger texture files, more scripts and more polys. The old less demanding content runs fine in TS2010 on lower end computers.

Cheerio John

 

[sparky15]

Auran announced a five year life cycle policy for their programs before removing them from their site for sale. Every version of Trainz from 04 through 10 were available NEW from the manufacturer's official online store up until earlier this year.

Every manufacturer I have dealt with that offers any support or warrantee, that support takes effect from the date of purchase, not manufacture date. 04, the oldest, was available, as new, from the manufacturer, from their official online store up until two months ago.

How do you announce five year support, but remove that support within a year of purchase of a product.

Dave.....

 

[aardvark1]

Auran announced a five year life cycle policy for their programs before removing them from their site for sale. Every version of Trainz from 04 through 10 were available NEW from the manufacturer's official online store up until earlier this year.

Every manufacturer I have dealt with that offers any support or warrantee, that support takes effect from the date of purchase, not manufacture date. 04, the oldest, was available, as new, from the manufacturer, from their official online store up until two months ago.

How do you announce five year support, but remove that support within a year of purchase of a product.

Dave.....

Can you provide factual and documented information on how may units of TRS2004 and TRS2006 were sold on the ....official on line store... in the years of 2008, 2009?

Bargain bin sales should not qualify for extended support.

Looking forward to seeing that data from you.

Have fun,

 

[sparky15]

I don't need to.

FACT is the products were available for sale from the manufacture's site as new. The official stance is five years support. Don't know what you are fishing for. Not much to twist or read into.

Dave.....

 

[Retro00064]

Auran announced a five year life cycle policy for their programs before removing them from their site for sale. Every version of Trainz from 04 through 10 were available NEW from the manufacturer's official online store up until earlier this year.

Every manufacturer I have dealt with that offers any support or warrantee, that support takes effect from the date of purchase, not manufacture date. 04, the oldest, was available, as new, from the manufacturer, from their official online store up until two months ago.

How do you announce five year support, but remove that support within a year of purchase of a product.

Dave.....

Looks like just more proof that we're dealing with apparently just another greedy money-hungry company, eh?

 

[JimDep]

It's not the game that needs the higher end computers its the new content that uses bigger texture files, more scripts and more polys. The old less demanding content runs fine in TS2010 on lower end computers.

Cheerio John

Greetings John,

I'm sure you are sincere about TS2010 running fine on lower end computers, however I've read that some in the community have put this to the test with poor results.

Could you give an example of the lower end PC specs that you've had success with?


Thanks,
Jim


My main concern is that future routes and content created for 2004 through TC3, after September will not be permitted on the DSL, if I'm understanding this right. That means that content will be scattered among different 3rd party websites, which has been a major complaint from the community already. Several content creators have promoted keeping everything on the DSL to prevent this from happening. I would like to see this petition be successful for continued access to the DLS for the pre-2009 versions.

Maybe it's unrealistic thinking that a petition could change the minds at Auran, but IMO, access to content, NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH SUPPORT, is what has made this website unique. The REAL support comes from helpful community members anyway.

 

[aardvark1]

I don't need to.

FACT is the products were available for sale from the manufacture's site as new. The official stance is five years support. Don't know what you are fishing for. Not much to twist or read into.

Dave.....

Not fishing for anything more than logic.

If they did NOT sell any 04/06 from the Auran store, then no support would be needed.

So then, back to your point.... can you prove that they sold the product and that Auran needs to continue support?

Have fun,

 

[sparky15]

Again, don't need to.

The product wasn't officially dropped from the product line until the first quarter of this year.

Back to you.

Dave......

 

[aardvark1]

Again, don't need to.

The product wasn't officially dropped from the product line until the first quarter of this year.

Back to you.

Dave......

No point to continue.

Have fun,

 

[builder300544]

Hello John,

This should help clarify the position:

http://online.ts2009.com/mediaWiki/index.php5/Trainz_Life-Cycle_Policy

As I read it, buy an FCT and you can download as much as you want, but expect a cull at some stage - of some items.

However, uploads in 04/06 will not be permitted because the versions will no longer be supported.

What doesn't go up, will not come down. So you won't be able to download new assets with your purchased FCT - just old items that haven't been culled.

Cheers
Casper

So why all the panic??

There are 147,000 items on the DLS. Even after 'culling' I would emagine there's still going to be in excess of 100,000.

I can,t see how people can complain about that. O.K. you won,t be able to download new content. Don,t forget that even 2006 is 5 years old. If I bought any software that old I would,nt expect to get full full support!

Cheers, John

 

[Accipiter777]

I, for one, did not buy trs06 when it was five years old. unless someone time traveled to 2011, and came back, but then again, they'd see the lack of support, so they would not have bought it.

 

[builder300544]

I, for one, did not buy trs06 when it was five years old. unless someone time traveled to 2011, and came back, but then again, they'd see the lack of support, so they would not have bought it.

My apologies. It is only 4 years 4 months old.!!

Still quite old in IT terms

Cheers, John

 

[Dinorius_Redundicus]

It's a pity this thread has veered off into a discussion of the relative worth of TS2010 over previous versions. Personally I'm quite prepared to accept the proposition that '10 is the best version ever, it may well be, but that's not the point of this thread.

It was supposed to be an appeal for the right to continue making and uploading assets for 'heritage' versions of Trainz to the DLS after September. That and possibly some better assurance that uploaded assets won't get deleted.

If someone could be a little more innovative about how those things might be achieved while still allowing TS2010 to prosper on its own merits (instead of artificially killing off its internal competition), then a lot of fans would be happy.

Creators have made huge efforts to first learn how to use some very arcane bits of 3D software (eg. gmax) to make assets, then to follow Auran's ever-changing standards. And in a co-operative spirit, we uploaded our precious babies to the DLS to make them available to everyone in the most accessible, game-friendly and cheap way possible. We did this in good faith, assuming that the DLS was meant to be a central safe haven for the assets regardless of how popular/unpopular they were as downloads or whatever Auran did with future versions.

Now to find that the rug is being pulled out from under us because Auran don't have the technical wit to properly manage the changes they themselves introduced (well that's my summary of Zec's explanation), that's a real kick in the guts, even if it is quite legal. That's how it's made me feel anyway.

No matter which way it goes in the future, it will be hard to forget how badly Auran has handled this matter technically and in terms of its public attitude.

 

[Scitimar]

It's a pity this thread has veered off into a discussion of the relative worth of TS2010 over previous versions. Personally I'm quite prepared to accept the proposition that '10 is the best version ever, it may well be, but that's not the point of this thread.

It was supposed to be an appeal for the right to continue making and uploading assets for 'heritage' versions of Trainz to the DLS after September. That and possibly some better assurance that uploaded assets won't get deleted.

If someone could be a little more innovative about how those things might be achieved while still allowing TS2010 to prosper on its own merits (instead of artificially killing off its internal competition), then a lot of fans would be happy.

Creators have made huge efforts to first learn how to use some very arcane bits of 3D software (eg. gmax) to make assets, then to follow Auran's ever-changing standards. And in a co-operative spirit, we uploaded our precious babies to the DLS to make them available to everyone in the most accessible, game-friendly and cheap way possible. We did this in good faith, assuming that the DLS was meant to be a central safe haven for the assets regardless of how popular/unpopular they were as downloads or whatever Auran did with future versions.

Now to find that the rug is being pulled out from under us because Auran don't have the technical wit to properly manage the changes they themselves introduced (well that's my summary of Zec's explanation), that's a real kick in the guts, even if it is quite legal. That's how it's made me feel anyway.

No matter which way it goes in the future, it will be hard to forget how badly Auran has handled this matter technically and in terms of its public attitude.

I got a problem with the words in bold type .. we both know you can continue to make toys for any version , you guys only have a problem with the decision to limit uploads to the DLS . The fact that there other options available rarely gets a mention.

.

 

[leeferr]

Dino
you've got it exactly right in my view. This debate about which version is better is mute in my opinion. It doesn't matter to me. What does matter to me, as a content creator, is the thousands of hours that I've put into content creation, all as freeware, to be kicked in the gut and told that my creations aren't worthy to be on the DLS anymore and they 'may' be deleted sometime after September. Sorry, but this isn't much incentive for me to create in the future. Every creator wants some assurance that their not wasting time and energy, especially if it's for free. Everyone will say that I can either upload to 3rd party sites or create for TS2010. First, there is no 3rd party site that I have enough confidence in to be there 3 or 4 years from now that I'm going to invest hundreds of hours for more content just to see it disappear also. Secondly, who's to say that if I create for TS2010, that the standards won't change again or error checking won't get even more strict in the future and here we go again.

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.

Mike

 

[Scitimar]

Dino
.....who's to say that if I create for TS2010, that the standards won't change again or error checking won't get even more strict in the future and here we go again.


Mike

I hope both of those examples happen .. I got a short list of features I'd like to see added to the game .. they for sure would require changes to the current standards .

Sci

 

[leeferr]

I hope both of those examples happen .. I got a short list of features I'd like to see added to the game .. they for sure would require changes to the current standards .

Sci

Then where's my incentive to create? I think I'll leave the creating to you. I'll go have a look at your content. Oops, can't find any.

Mike