shaneturner12
Tutorial Creator
I agree. That's what I did with TS2010. (it only took a week from AUS)
Shane
Shane
Are N3V selling steam versions of TS12
- Thread starter KenGreen
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I have a feeling that this was more of a "helpful" announcement from a newish? member of Staff, probably unaware of the issues with Steam, than an Official N3V doesn't care post. I can't imagine the official N3V line is go buy it somewhere else! Lets not jump to the wrong conclusions.
amigacooke
Well-known member
I assume that Steam Trainz users could multiplay together?
shaneturner12
Tutorial Creator
They may be able to, but I have a feeling that there is not going to be much chance unless they use a trainz-build 3.5 route and session (and most of the newer ones are 3.6).
Shane
Shane
Well IF the patching system gets fixed, permanently, that is one less issue but will buyers from Steam still have Steam's ball and chain around their PCs? i.e you can only play if Steam lets you and you will be upgraded whether you like it or not? Like a certain other RW. Or is the Trainz version on Steam a totally different track, just distribution without any DRM?
KrisDeagle
Trainz Community Manager
You will only be able to play if Steam is open. As other Steam games patch automatically, it should be the same, once the patch is released.
Kris
NickieFoenshauge
New member
Not true, unless Steam changes track dramatically. Once I installed the games, I bought through Steam, I never needed to run the Steam client to play a game. You only need the client to buy, install and update games.
RoverDaddy
New member
Excuse me. I just bought TS12 on Steam and I did not try to 'deliberately sidestep' anybody. I bought there because I buy all digital download content on Steam wherever possible, because their DRM system is reasonable and it's super easy to run the same software on multiple systems. I had no idea there was something 'deficient' about the version of TS12 sold on Steam, and indeed I -WILL- be angry if this is the case. Steam is just A PACKAGING AGENT. The software you buy there should be -identical- to the version to buy direct from a developer, whether on a disk or through a digital download.
Is there any definitive word from N3V about -why- TS12 is different on Steam (or even if it is)?
Is there any definitive word from N3V about -why- TS12 is different on Steam (or even if it is)?
shaneturner12
Tutorial Creator
Hi RoverDaddy,
Welcome to the forums.
The main difference at this point with the Steam version is that it cannot be used to play most Multiplayer sessions, as it currently cannot be patched.
N3V are aware of this, and are working to rectify it.
Shane
Welcome to the forums.
The main difference at this point with the Steam version is that it cannot be used to play most Multiplayer sessions, as it currently cannot be patched.
N3V are aware of this, and are working to rectify it.
Shane
lol, 'reasonable DRM'...
Steam requires vendors to use their DRM and client in the form of an SDK or library, which game manufacturers must incorporate into their code. It only takes ONE BYTE of code to be different in order to create two different versions of a product. In fact, Steam is even pitching a new DRM scheme called Custom Executable Generation, which means every purchaser's copy is different (although, presumably, they will have a backend patching mechanism in place.)
Because Steam REQUIRES all game manufacturers to use their SDK (unless they've changed their publication requirements), this is Steam's problem.
Steam requires vendors to use their DRM and client in the form of an SDK or library, which game manufacturers must incorporate into their code. It only takes ONE BYTE of code to be different in order to create two different versions of a product. In fact, Steam is even pitching a new DRM scheme called Custom Executable Generation, which means every purchaser's copy is different (although, presumably, they will have a backend patching mechanism in place.)
Because Steam REQUIRES all game manufacturers to use their SDK (unless they've changed their publication requirements), this is Steam's problem.
RoverDaddy
New member
Thanks for the welcome Shane. After prowling around a little more I came up with nearly the same conclusion. I'm not all that eager to try multiplayer (I didn't even know it existed when I bought TS12), so I guess I'm in decent shape for the moment.
shaneturner12
Tutorial Creator
It's OK - I do my best to help users where I can, and you may find yourself needing my help in the future for certain technical-related issues with Trainz (luckily, I've got most of the information in the thread linked to in my signature).
Shane
Shane
Another key difference between the Auran and Steam versions of Trainz is the ability to install certain content. Steam users, so I've heard, are trapped at version 3.5 of Trainz, meaning they cannot install content designed for version 3.6.
Colonel_Klink
New member
I also didn't deliberately side step N3V. Buying through Steam is just one of the many ways I buy software. Atm 2012 runs ok, and haven't come across any issues. It's good to hear N3V are aware of problems and are rectifying them. I agree though that no matter on disk or download, the content should be identical.
NickieFoenshauge
New member
You can, but with less ease. You have to download from ftp, install manually and then "back-build" the asset to 3.5.
This method can create errors due to build 3.6 features that were absent in build 3.5 and vice versa.
Hopefully that problem soon won't exist, just wondering if we are about to get that long overdue service pack and they may be doing both at the same time, being optimistic again.
