Advice wanted by a visitor to New York City

gamerouche

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As I'm visiting NYC early next year, I'm wondering if any of our American Trainzers could recommend a day trip for me in which I could experience haulage by Diesel & perhaps see a variety of motive power along the way?

I will be making use of the NY subway system for various outings but I would really like to get among the big stuff I see & enjoy on the US screenshot pages.

Regards

Gam
 
Newark, NJ, it's a short distance from Lower Manhattan (New WTC Complex too).
Jersey City, NJ, a little closer to Lower Manhattan

Just know that if your looking for diesel action in New York City, you're pretty much out of luck, ever since the fall of Grand Central Station they've been lacking some in the modern day railroading world, the two places I named are pretty much the next city over.
 
Railfanning in Newark, Jersey City, and Oak Island Yard areas might require bringing along a faithful sidekick companion, vicious pit bull, or rottweiler, for your own personal protection. Not the greatest places to stand around with a $800 camera !
 
Went to NYC this summer, it was pretty amazing. Coming up out of NY Penn at 7th and 34th really overwhelmed me at first. If you want diesel service in NYC, your best bet is to go to GCT. You might be lucky to get a MN train with a P32AC/DM for power. If not, go back to NY Penn and take the LIRR, they use diesels east of NYC.
 
I would pick a different place to visit than New York City. If you want to see the big time freight haulage you see all the time in the US Screenshots section, I would give some fun places like Pittsburgh, PA a visit. I would consider Roanoke, VA. You could try Jacksonville, FL. Or you could come out west, pay North Platte, NE a visit home to the world's largest railyard and the busiest mainline in North America a try. Salt Lake City is a favorite if you want scenery and trains working together. Of course, if you want to see American locomotives at their finest, then pay a visit to the Powder River Basin in Wyoming, where 40-50 14-16,000 ton coal trains will be pulling up grades at awesomely slow speeds giving you a bright opportunity to hear awesome engines at their finest.
(If you picked that I live out west, and I love everything about the west and its style of railroading, then you picked right! THE WEST IS BEST!!!)
 
If you want to see some Southern steam and more. . . .

Start off your trip in Chattanooga, Tennessee at the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum (TVRM) on a weekend, where you can ride behind Southern 630 or 4501. Then take the Lookout Mountain Incline Railway up Lookout Mountain for a birds-eye view of Chattanooga. Then head to the south side of Chickamauga Dam, at the beginning of the Tennessee Riverwalk, a concrete walkway paralleling the Tennessee River to Ross' Landing in Downtown Chattanooga. The parking lot at the beginning of 'The Riverwalk' is crossed over by Norfolk Southern's bridge over the Tennessee River, a.k.a. 'Tenbridge'. Holtzclaw Ave. has the East Chattanooga Belt Terminal (ECBT) paralleling it. The ECBT is owned by the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum, so you get to see TVRM excursions heading into northern Georgia, plus the Chattanooga-Attala, Alabama mainline excursions. 23rd street crosses over the leads to both Norfolk Southern's DeButts Yard and the lead to the yard's shops. U.S. highway 11 crosses over both Norfolk Southern and CSX's mainline, plus the ECBT's connection to Norfolk Southern, CSX, and Chattanooga & Chickamauga, which the TVRM's excursions into Georgia travel on. If you want to, spend the night at the Chattanooga Choo-Choo hotel.
Take Interstate 75 north to Knoxville and ride the Three Rivers Rambler, a 'newer' tourist railway which gets it's name from the Three Rivers Bridge, which is a bridge over the Holston River where it meets the French Broad River and forms the Tennessee River, where on weekends they run either Washington & Lincoln 2-8-0 #203 and Southern 2-8-0 #154, whose actually older than 630!
If you want to, take a side trip to Oak Ridge, Tennessee, a.k.a. 'The Secret City', which played a critical part in the 'Manhattan Project', which developed the atomic bomb, and take a trip on the Southern Appalachia Railway Museum, which operates the 'Secret City Scenic', which is the only public access to the K-25 facility, where the uranium in the atom bomb dropped on Hiroshima was made.
Next, take Interstate 40 east to the Sevierville/Pigeon Forge exit and head to the theme park Dollywood. Take a six-mile ride on the Dollywood Express, which takes you away from the developed areas of the park and into the mountains around the theme park. The train is pulled by one of two narrow gauge ex-White Pass and Yukon 2-8-2s up grades up to 5 percent. The departure from the station is a impressive scene, where the train immediately takes on a 3 percent uphill grade. The track is a loop-to-loop design, with the 'upper loop' over 200 feet above the 'lower loop', where the station is. Finish out your trip to Dollywood by riding their wooden roller coaster Thunderhead, which sits next to the Dollywood Express's route, so you get to see 'The Train' climb uphill while waiting in line to ride this awesome roller coaster.
Enjoy your trip!
 
He said NYC folks, not a US world tour!

John
Yea and I think that people think that it is a railroad powerhouse when it is really not. NYC is famous for Subway systems more than freight movments, but of course you could see I think Metro North as well.... But I would hate him to come to America and think that NYC has it all, and then find out that what he really wanted to see is scattered across the United States and NYC doesn't really contain the exciting parts that make train watching so exciting. (Pun is intended). For me, if I had the opprotunity, there's a really long list of areas that could show him what American railroading is all about that I myself would love to pay a visit too.

Let me just pop a couple off:
Portland, OR
North Platte, NE
Belen, NM
Vaughn, NM
Grand Island, NE
Bill, WY
Kansas City, MO/KS
Cliniton, IA
Minneapolis, MN
Alliance, NE (Crawford Hill as well)
Cheyenne, WY

I think that's enough, but those are places I'd love to see trains in action before I die. :)
 
As I'm visiting NYC early next year, I'm wondering if any of our American Trainzers could recommend a day trip for me in which I could experience haulage by Diesel & perhaps see a variety of motive power along the way?

I will be making use of the NY subway system for various outings but I would really like to get among the big stuff I see & enjoy on the US screenshot pages.

Regards

Gam

Well, the bottom line is, if you like subways, then you're in the right place. But for diesel passenger or freight, fugettaboutdit, especially if you're going to rely on mass-transit to get near where you're going. As mentioned, you might be able to catch some yard action in the Oak Island/Newark Airport area by the turnpike, but it's not a great area. Unfortunately, there isn't much freight on the corridor anymore, especially daytime.

Philly's probably going to be your best option for a day trip since it has it all, is very busy, and is accessible by transit, though you do need to plan on two-and-a-half hours each way by car or by NJ Transit & SEPTA, or a little over an hour by Amtrak. The upper-level platforms of 30th Street Station are a good vantage point for freight, Amtrak and commuter ops and the lower ones for electric and diesel ops by both Amtrak and NJ Transit (however, the NJ Transit operations here only go to Atlantic City, not New York.) Passenger diesel operations are pretty common on the lower level of 30th Street, and you have the highline passing just west of the station - easily within view - which hosts through-freight operations. You can get up-close to the diesels at 30th Street. There is a park on the other river bank from 30th Street that has a major yard feeder passing right through it (and some through-freight movements of it's own, albeit they move very slowly), and you can still see the passenger and freight ops going by or into the 30th Street area, too. Baltimore and DC are decent too, but you also have to be very careful about where you go, both are farther, and do not have commuter rail options to reach them from NYC.

Off the beaten path a little, the West Trenton area has a good mix of electric commuter and fast road freight operations, with some local freight ops thrown in. It's the northern terminus of Philly's SEPTA commuter rail operations shared with a busy freight corridor. But you'll either need to drive or take a cab from Trenton station as it's NOT served by NJ Transit and not near, served from or affiliated with Trenton station (despite similar names) in any way. It's not as far as Philly and is only a mile off the interstate.
 
CSX has a freight yards in the Bronx, Oak Point YD, Hunts Point section & Staten Island (Port Ivory on-dock terminal). NY & Atlantic has freight operations that use the Long Island RR tracks. There is also New York New Jersey Rail which operates a carfloat (rail barge) between Brooklyn, NY & Jersey City, NJ. Also Amtrak has Sunnyside yd in Queens, Long Island City. Look up Amtrak, Sunnyside yard on face book.

John
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Hi Gam,

You can always take a ride on Amtrak north from NYC to Albany and sample the old New York Central operations. This will be electric commuter part way then diesel the rest as trains have dual power on this line unless they are local commuter trains which are all electric commuter running on third-rail.

Once in Albany, enquire with CSX about a tour of Selkirk Yard. This is one of the largest classification yards on their system and hosts many trains from the west out of Chicago, and east from Boston. I had the opportunity to visit this yard back in the mid-1980s and it was quite an experience. If you are up for the drive from NYC, Albany is about 2 hours north and Selkirk is a bit north from there. There is a road over bridge across the tracks that gives a nice view of the frequent Buffalo/Chicago line trains coming into the yard.

You have to keep in mind that in many areas now, since 9/11, you may need permission for begin around the railroad property, including being near the mainlines. Asking for permission is your safest bet since you will have a letter that says it's okay to photograph, etc. The lines closer to the city should be approached with caution since these areas are not the safest. Having a companion or two acts as a second set of eyes and also acts as safety in numbers. I agree with Cascade. Being in these areas in the Bronx with an $800.00 camera is not the safest thing.

John
 
In 1975 I went into the Conrail RR Police office and asked if I could sign a waver to take photographs from Altoona to Cresson ... Back then they said: "If we see you out there, you will be arrested, there are no such things as a waiver, piece of paper", not even if you are a close friend or relative of the President of the RR, or the Division Track Superintendent !

Since 911, any suspicious loitering is trespassing, even on public lands, you will be detained and questioned ... NY roads are no place to park and railfan, as it is a very congested city.
 
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Thanks Guys for all your advice, being with the wife & grandson, I won't be hanging about any yards, I prefer to travel & do my observing from stations & out of the windows.

I have so far settled on a trip to Philly by SEPTA & NJ Transit which appears to be exceptional value compared to rail fares here in the UK.

Can't wait.

Gam
 
Thanks Guys for all your advice, being with the wife & grandson, I won't be hanging about any yards, I prefer to travel & do my observing from stations & out of the windows.

I have so far settled on a trip to Philly by SEPTA & NJ Transit which appears to be exceptional value compared to rail fares here in the UK.

Can't wait.

Gam

I have an idea - go by Septa/NJT, and return on the Acela. I haven't ridden it, and even though it may be more expensive I've heard the Acela is a great experience.
 
Hi Gam,

Funny you should ask...

My wife and I have been to NYC twice in the last two months. I retired at the beginning of August. A few days later we flew to LaGuardia, took a cab to Penn Station, Amtrak Empire Service to Albany-Rensselaer, and spent a couple of days there. We rented a car, drove to the Catskills, road on the Delaware and Ulster scenic railroad, walked on the Poughkeepsie Rail Bridge...and got some great pics! A month later, we flew back, took a cab to Grand Central Terminal, Metro-North to Poughkeepsie, and spent another couple of days there. We rented a car, took a boat ride on the Hudson River, and got some more great pics of passenger trains on the Hudson Line and CSX freight on the River Line.

I agree that you need to get out of the city to see freight action. Somewhere along the CSX River Line would be good. Good stuff there. This is from someone who lives a block away from 2 double-track mainlines, UP on one side of me and BNSF on the other.

Cheers,
Fred
 
Cool, I think it's possible to find some diesel action throughout New York City. Just about all of the NYC subway yards have diesel engines for track and yard work. In Grand Central terminal, you'll find the General Electric Metro North P32AC-DM locomotive. This is a dual mode locomotive that uses a combination of diesel and third rail. In Penn Station, you'll find the Amtrak P32AC-DM locomotives along with LIRR DE-30AC locomotives hauling bi level coaches. I know you'll find a variety of diesel and freight action in the Oakpoint section of the Bronx along with Hunts Point. If your riding the LIRR, you may also spot the MP15AC's and the DM30 locomotive along with the New York & Atlantic MP15AC's and GP38 . If your in Brooklyn, down in the Bay Ridge area, there is a yard by the water called the 65th street yard. I think you could catch some freight and diesel equipment there. One of NYC's greatest treasures is the NYC High Line. Just below the Miller Highway, there is a New York Central locomotive on display.
 
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