Abandoned Railroad Lines

Since 1970, half of all of Nova Scotia's railway lines have been abandoned...the latest to be added is the W&H railway track from Hantsport to Kingston, NS. The rest of this railway is still in operation.
That and the CN mainline and the Cape Breton and Central Nova Scotia railway are the only three railways left in NS.
Hopefully, fuel costs will rise enough to make a "rail revival".
 
This raises an interesting comparison about rail closures.

There seems a mighty heavy loss in America for example and the decline of national passenger in particular. In Great Britain we certainly lost some 9,000 miles during the period railways went from private into State running (and now back in private!). These were under Dr Beeching a business expert brought induring the 60's to cut costs. Today however we still have an extensive passenger system hence Trainzers here tend to model passenger in the predominance and over the pond, goods. In Scotland we have had 3 passneger lines closed since Beeching re-opened and a fourth in the pipeline. So has the USA been worst effected or is it difficult to ascertain?
 
This raises an interesting comparison about rail closures.

There seems a mighty heavy loss in America for example and the decline of national passenger in particular. In Great Britain we certainly lost some 9,000 miles during the period railways went from private into State running (and now back in private!). These were under Dr Beeching a business expert brought induring the 60's to cut costs. Today however we still have an extensive passenger system hence Trainzers here tend to model passenger in the predominance and over the pond, goods. In Scotland we have had 3 passneger lines closed since Beeching re-opened and a fourth in the pipeline. So has the USA been worst effected or is it difficult to ascertain?

It's interesting to say if it has been the worst for us. In many cases, sadly it's the scenic nostalgic routes that seem to get abandoned in the Midwest and western areas of the country where there is less population. Is there a mean streak here? I don't think so. It's perhaps that the lines were marginally profitable if at all. There needs to be towns to serve, and industries to cater to. Without these, then the line doesn't serve a purpose.

Should the lines have been closed or abandoned? It's hard to say. The MILW Pacific Extension should not have been built in the first place, in my opinion. This line was built very late in the building game, and in some cases I think over built. This project actually hurt the MILW for many years, and I think helped put it out of business during the 1980s.

Routes such the Tennessee Pass served their owners well, but today they're under one owner. This makes lines redundant, and in business redundancy costs more money. With a railroad this is a lot of money when an extra line sits their idle, but the company still has to put road crews out there to maintain the bridges, signals and other infrastructure.

I would say in areas where there is a denser population, this is foolish. A good example of a kick thyself in the buttocks for ripping up a line is located in New York state. This line runs out of New York City and is closed above Wassic, NY. This was done during the 1950s or early 1960s when the railroads were ridding themselves of "extra" baggage. Recently the line was reopened to Wassaic, but above that through to Putnam, NY, the line has become a rail trail.

Where I live the Marblehead branch, and Central Mass. branches are now now trails, and becoming more railtrails respectively. The Marblehead branch was abandoned in the late 1950s, and ripped up in the early 1960s. This was done during a cost cutting move while the B&M was ridding its self of smaller branchlines like the NYC and many other railroads were. After all, we have to remember that during this time, the bean counters were watching revenues drop as people were leaving for their automobiles. Sadly today both of these areas are very populated with Marblehead being the most dense. The rails will never replace the trails here because the yuppies and NIMBYs have moved in next to the ROW, and definitely do not want evil trains nearby, after all they'll ruin their backyard parties and might make some noise!

The CM branch runs from Waltham, MA as far as Hudson, MA today. The trains stopped running in the early 1980s on this portion, and the MBTA discontinued passenger service along the remaining portions some times in the 1970s. I'm not sure about this area because I never knew much about it until now. Today the tracks are in place, but the route is to become a rail trail. The town of Weston, however, does not want a trail and they don't want the tracks touched either, so the area remains untouched there.

This line, though it runs into a more rural area, could definitely serve as a commuter line. Hudson is a very large city, which sadly only has miserable Interstate 495 as it's only main road. Route 62 is a back road through small towns, and the speed is low. The naysayers keep saying that the commuter train is accessible in nearby Southboro, which really isn't that close at all, and this would be redundant service.

There are many others across the country and these are in the more populated areas, and include not just heavy rail, but also interurban lines such as the Elgin, Jolet, and Eastern, the Chicago to Milwaukee high speed Northshore interurban, and many others.

John
 
I do have to admit that when Dr Beeching did the closures bit back in the 1960's here there were lines that needed to go as the public just weren't using them. There were others I would have to ask why they were created at all. Just several miles north ofwhere I live in Glasgow a passnger line was built in the 19th century from Balloch on Loch Lomond off a main line across country to Stirling.Why beats me it was a place where hardly anyone lived and a couple of wee villages. Made no sense! Previously where I lived in the city a suburban line ran along the north bank of the Clyde that had effectively died decades before when trams were electrified.

A while back I was in conversation with someone involved in politics and he was quite belligerent when the government put the railways back into private hands. I reminded him that the railways started in private hands until 1948! Even with closures we as I said still have a credible national rail system which is for all intents and purposes really a passenger orientated one. Even main cities have excellent services on the inter-city network. Glasgow-London for example would have several trains a day for the 400 odd miles whereas across the pond that would be around one or two if fortunate. Different social, distance and other factors betwixt the two but you do seem to have lost much especially on the passenger side. Here and on the Continent business is booming!
 
Re JCitron's comment

which is absolutely right - examples of abandoned rail lines that should never had been built abound in the USA as well as the UK, which others have commented on as well.

JCitron mentioned the Milwaukee Road from the Rockies to the Pacific as an example - how could they expect to compete with GN and NP which had easier grades as well as going through Spokane, WA, the largest city in the inland northwest USA, while the Milwaukee Road bypassed it? Fortunately for us, you can get a flavor for its crossing of the Bitterroot Range in the built-in route Avery-Drexel. Better yet, you can ride your bike over some of the same trestles and through the same tunnels, since part of it is now a bike trail:

http://www.skilookout.com/hiaw/faq.php

Be sure to check out the picture gallery.
 
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I do have to admit that when Dr Beeching did the closures bit back in the 1960's here there were lines that needed to go as the public just weren't using them. There were others I would have to ask why they were created at all. Just several miles north ofwhere I live in Glasgow a passnger line was built in the 19th century from Balloch on Loch Lomond off a main line across country to Stirling.Why beats me it was a place where hardly anyone lived and a couple of wee villages. Made no sense! Previously where I lived in the city a suburban line ran along the north bank of the Clyde that had effectively died decades before when trams were electrified.

A while back I was in conversation with someone involved in politics and he was quite belligerent when the government put the railways back into private hands. I reminded him that the railways started in private hands until 1948! Even with closures we as I said still have a credible national rail system which is for all intents and purposes really a passenger orientated one. Even main cities have excellent services on the inter-city network. Glasgow-London for example would have several trains a day for the 400 odd miles whereas across the pond that would be around one or two if fortunate. Different social, distance and other factors betwixt the two but you do seem to have lost much especially on the passenger side. Here and on the Continent business is booming!

The line to the middle of nowhere sounds to me like a political move. I've seen this on this side of the pond with highway (motorway) on and off ramps, boulevards, and other roads. Usually some local diddy has control over land, or pays an official well enough so either his property is protected in some way. When I was in Texas a couple of years ago, we took a freeway off ramp down to a wide boulevard with modern lights and a fancy grassy median strip. This was all in the middle of nowhere, just like that rail line you mentioned.

The rail companies did the same thing when they were first built. Whoever paid the bill in some way got preferential treatment. Remember the private control of these companies. The important stockholders would influence the whereabouts and direction of a route in many cases, and that would determine whether a town was connected to or bypassed. Sometimes the wealthier contributors weren't necessarily in the biggest towns, thus they were bypassed in many cases. This where branch lines came in as well as small competing companies. As cities were bypassed, the locals would get together and build their own railroad to connect to the line that missed them entirely. The Danvers RR here in eastern New England is a good example. The Danvers RR was built between Danvers, MA and Peabody, MA to provide a connection to the outside world. As time went on, this became a branch of the Eastern RR and a competing branch was built through Danvers to Newburyport by the Boston and Maine. Eventually they all became branches of the B&M, and lasted in parts up until the 1980s.

I agree we've missed the boat here with our railroads. Sadly they will always take the back burner until either fuel prices go way up, or there is way too much traffic to get around. In the meantime, the NIMBYs continue to drive their big SUVs and sit in traffic for hours rather than take the easy ride into the city.

John
 
Locally there were three trolley lines in the 1910s. All three were abandoned by the 1930s. The track was ripped up and sent off to be smelted for the USS West Virginia. Then the boat sank at Pearl Harbor.

Also interestingly enough I did some research into the local trolley lines history and found that the main reason they went out of business wasn't a lack of service, it was the lack of money brought in during The Great Depression. If the trolley service has lived past the Great Depression it would of most likely lasted till the late 1980's. Even more so due to the fact the towns it would service didn't have bus stations so it's only competitor would be the personal car and freight trucks.

As of today the roadbed for the trolley line still exists but it is much over grown and in disrepair.

If the line were to be restored it would include digging up around three tunnels, rebuilding around eight bridges, and possibly rerouting around 4 miles of track. The last due to the local two lane highway now residing on the old track bed for some distance sporadically.

Oddly enough I've lived here all my life yet I've never went out and walked the right of way so I sadly have no pictures to show off what is the "Tyler Traction Company" now.
 
The Homestake Pass line in Montana (random dates)

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-enginewhistle

courtesy of:
http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showgallery.php/cat/909/page/1

That's a very scenic route you have there. What did it haul when it was still in use?
 
Here's a site with abandoned and broken up routes in Belgium, Germany and Holland. Sometimes I wish that they were still in use or saved for preservation.
It's always sad to see an overgrown railway. Thinking about all the people that ever used it, all the engines that passed, it's history and people that ran the line... The railways used to be magical. They still are, but not in the same way anymore:(

http://www.xerbutri.nl/verdwenen.php?lang=20

Thanks for posting that link, some interesting ideas there for routes (or at least mini-routes). Shame the guy running the site seems to have stopped English translations of the later pages though.
 
around here, there's of course the Katy Trail (whose existance causes my blood to boil, so I'll leave that be) and the embargoed Rock Island line south out of Kansas City, but my favorite is the Louisburg, KS-Paola, MO "cutoff" of the Missouri Kansas Texas (AKA the Katy/MKT). It operated as more of a branch line for most if its existance, but it's special to me because my grandpa (whose stories of steam and steel on the Katy and everywhere else in America was the catylist for me becoming a die-hard train fan) grew up alongside the line. he can still remember the teacher at his grade school running to shut the windows as the local trip freight rumbled by, hauled by what I honestly consider to be the most beautiful steam engine ever built, the Katy J-5 Mogul. Sadly, the line was pulled up in the 1950's (No thanks to the dumb*bleep* known as Mr. Deramus) but the grade is still descernable in my grandfather's hometown of Westline, MO, and the big steel trestle that vaulted the line over the Kansas City Southern still stands...

...and you know, if you close your eyes just for a moment, you could swear you could still hear that J-5 mogul clanking down the line with it's train. :D
 
around here, there's of course the Katy Trail (whose existance causes my blood to boil, so I'll leave that be) and the embargoed Rock Island line south out of Kansas City, but my favorite is the Louisburg, KS-Paola, MO "cutoff" of the Missouri Kansas Texas (AKA the Katy/MKT). It operated as more of a branch line for most if its existance, but it's special to me because my grandpa (whose stories of steam and steel on the Katy and everywhere else in America was the catylist for me becoming a die-hard train fan) grew up alongside the line. he can still remember the teacher at his grade school running to shut the windows as the local trip freight rumbled by, hauled by what I honestly consider to be the most beautiful steam engine ever built, the Katy J-5 Mogul. Sadly, the line was pulled up in the 1950's (No thanks to the dumb*bleep* known as Mr. Deramus) but the grade is still descernable in my grandfather's hometown of Westline, MO, and the big steel trestle that vaulted the line over the Kansas City Southern still stands...

...and you know, if you close your eyes just for a moment, you could swear you could still hear that J-5 mogul clanking down the line with it's train. :D

Wow... so the MKT crossed the KCS just south of Clevland? I live close to 135th and St Line. I might have to head that way and see what I can find...
 
yeah, but be careful: the bridge is kinda back in the woods, and the guy who owns the land might shoot you if you're not careful.
 
I walked the old 36" NG trackbed (no ties, nor rails) of the Wopsononock RR near Altoona Pa (picked up 2 dear ticks, and 5 RR spikes).

It had a very steep grade @ 4.75%, or greater in places

All over the surrounding hillsides were plastered with no trespassing/no hunting signs ... but as the narrow trackbed swath is not owned by the land owners.

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KATY & KCS Crossing at Westline, MO

yeah, but be careful: the bridge is kinda back in the woods, and the guy who owns the land might shoot you if you're not careful.

The man's name is Rex Carlson & he has a rock quarry just south of the crossing;
C & C Rock Quarry Inc
1200 State Route 2
Cleveland, MO 64734-9144

My name John Cook & my family's business used the KATY in Louisburg, Kansas for many years. We owned the property on both sides of the right of way in Louisburg & my grandfather's farm east of town is the location of where the steam locomotive derailed & exploded. Any information that you may have concerning the KATY thru Louisburg would be greatly appreciated.

Please send it to my email address: jmc1949 (at) yahoo.com

Thanking you in advance.
John

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John, I'm assuming that your post was made with the best of intentions, but I would highly advise deleting personal contact information from a public forum and taking the conversation to a private message.
 
Hi John,

I removed your email address and Mr. Carlson's telephone number. He and you don't need forum bots getting a hold of your email and sending you more spam than you can already fend off.

Regards and welcome to the Trainz forums.

John Citron
Moderator
 
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