A couple of signal questions

[AntonyVW]

Im trying to do a couple of things.

1. Identify some of the signals on the following: http://www.lymmobservatory.net/railways/sbdiagrams/bxj0b_q45.jpg

The ones I want to identify are No. 4 (on left) and the one immediately to its left (plus those that are similar). I know that the yellow signal is the distant, but what are the white/red signals? I am presuming that they (the white ones) are standard signals but facing the opposite direction?

2. Using the Sig BR(W) signals (or similar), how would I reproduce those signals particularly those that appear as red and white together? Also how can I reproduce signal 46 (on right hand side) which is a ground signal mounted on a post.

Thanks
Antony

Oh forgot to ask - how do I set a signal permanently at caution?

 

[steviez]

Hi Anthony, I will try and help where I can but from a signalling aspect not a trainz aspect. The white signals are distant signals which can be cleared as opposed to the "fixed" distants which cannot be cleared. No4 signal is just the home signal (red) with a fixed distant below it, in terms of direction of travel the next signal no8 takes you onto the Barnsley court house line whereas No5 takes you on the mainline towards Darton. The mainline stop signal is always the higher one on the bracket. In regard to the shunting signal (no46) there are ground signals available in trainz just cannot remember what they are called etc. Also it might help you to look at this weblink which describes semaphore signals and the functions etc http://www.signalbox.org/signals.shtml Cheers
Steviez

 

[AntonyVW]

Thanks Stevez at least I know what to do with those signals now. All I need to do now is find the ground signals.

 

[AntonyVW]

I have a further question in regard to this image. In specific signal 52/53/54. If my understanding is correct then 53 controls the crossing of points at 12/13? (It could be 19/20 but Im not certain of that). Anyway my problem is that when the train approaches 53 it locks the appropriate points to transfer the train to the platform on the opposite track, (going through the points at 11/12 and 12/13). But it fails to lock point 20 and wont allow the train past the point unless I put an invisible signal just before 12/13. Any suggestions?

 

[Dermmy]

20 isn't a junction, the red bars are facing point locks and have no equivalent in Trainz. 20 looks like it locks both 19 and 24. The question is - which of 19 and 24 is causing the problem? I suspect 24, Trainz can be a bit funny with trailing junctions. Have you tried reversing the default position of the lever? Simple enough, but it often works wonders! The problem you will have then though is that if 24 is set against the Up Main trains will be brought to a stand before proceeding, which depending on the layout beyond the left edge they may have been in reality anyway....

 

[AntonyVW]

20 isn't a junction, the red bars are facing point locks and have no equivalent in Trainz. 20 looks like it locks both 19 and 24. The question is - which of 19 and 24 is causing the problem? I suspect 24, Trainz can be a bit funny with trailing junctions. Have you tried reversing the default position of the lever? Simple enough, but it often works wonders! The problem you will have then though is that if 24 is set against the Up Main trains will be brought to a stand before proceeding, which depending on the layout beyond the left edge they may have been in reality anyway....

It is actually juction 19 that is causing the problem. Sorry about using no.20 as I was not sure what that was except that it was to do with the points. I currently have junction 24 set to runstraight up the up main.So traveling on the up main the train goes from right to left crossing to the single platform (this was changed in later life to 2 platforms). It then crosses back over to the up main on leaving the station. The line then carries on as a double main line. If I dont put in the invisible signal where 20 is - then signal 53 refuses to change stating that the line beyond is un-signaled. I have put a temprory signal further up n both the up and down lines but it does not seem to make any difference. I will try changing junction 24 as well as moving the junction to cross back to the the up main and bring the signals in closer see if that cures it.

 

[Dermmy]

Can you post a screenshot (from Surveyor) showing the junctions 24, 19 and if possible also the crossover on lever 12? The exact positioning of vertexes and levers in that area might be an issue....

 

[AntonyVW]

What you have just said seems to be correct. Though not the junctions you mention. The junction that was causing the issue was the one further down the line where the train switches back to the up main. I have a habit of inserting an extra spline point immediately before a junction. Im not sure how I missed it but the track following it was not actually attached to the track with the next signal on it. So to all intents and purposes the line terminated immediately after the junction. It could not see the signal so was reporting the line as being un-signaled. As soon as I corrected that it works as it should - and without the invisible signal.
So thanks for the help. Your reasoning was most helpful.