5m cutting and twin track junctions in 09

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Old Man
Hi All,
Can someone please explain how to make a 5m cutting.I have tried everything but obviously I am missing something !!! (brain maybe)
Also using a twin track how do you make a junction.

Bill :confused::confused::confused:
 
Bill,
even tho i cannot figure this out as yet, i think this question mayb be better off asked over at trainzdev site
 
First convert you baseboard to 5m grid (extend terrain tool, r-click to choose 5M and l-click to apply). Then your tools will be working on the 5m grid.
 
Hi All,
Can someone please explain how to make a 5m cutting.I have tried everything but obviously I am missing something !!! (brain maybe)
Also using a twin track how do you make a junction.

Bill :confused::confused::confused:

Junctions on double track are the same as on single track: you click on a spline point with the track you want selected and it should work.

However, I do not recommend the use of double tracks as it decreases the reliability of the AI because they are programmed to travel in the direction that the tracks were laid, so it would require the use of a lot of direction markers to get them to behave.
 
However, I do not recommend the use of double tracks as it decreases the reliability of the AI because they are programmed to travel in the direction that the tracks were laid, so it would require the use of a lot of direction markers to get them to behave.

Diddn't someone prove that wrong ? Must be my imagination if not.
 
That direction business is a Trainz urban myth. A properly laid out and signalled route should run just fine. The problem with using double track though is that it cannot be straightened, which is why most people don't use it. (Unless TRS2009 fixes this.)
 
Test to prove what I said above:

Lay a piece of double track.
The place a pair of direction markers, one on each track. This is the way the AI will try to go by default.
 
Hi Guys and Gals,
Slightly confused here about double track, 09 is on order and I hope I'm not going to have trouble uploading from 06.
70% of my route (still under construction) is double track, on various test stages I have placed only a few direction markers, main junctions/switches Etc, and it runs OK, even if I try to cause confusion with the AI drivers (part of the testing).
Another point I'm worried about with the change over; is, 100% of my track is Andi06's 3.5 track and junction kits, and I have no trouble straightening track, double or otherwise.

OK, that's the history, I'd really appreciate some feedback on the following:-
I'm at a stage where starting again in 09 wouldn't present too much of a problem, I understand that GP is working on an update version of Transdem for 09, so my terrain Etc. shouldn't be effected. I can't get hold of Andi06 to ask about any plans for his creations.
Anyway.
  • Is the default track in 09 the only one available at present?
  • What would be your suggestions: Wait until I receive 09 and start again or carry on in 06 and hope for the best?
Thanks in advance
Cheers
pete.
 
Hi Guys and Gals,
Slightly confused here about double track, 09 is on order and I hope I'm not going to have trouble uploading from 06.
70% of my route (still under construction) is double track, on various test stages I have placed only a few direction markers, main junctions/switches Etc, and it runs OK, even if I try to cause confusion with the AI drivers (part of the testing).
Another point I'm worried about with the change over; is, 100% of my track is Andi06's 3.5 track and junction kits, and I have no trouble straightening track, double or otherwise.

OK, that's the history, I'd really appreciate some feedback on the following:-
I'm at a stage where starting again in 09 wouldn't present too much of a problem, I understand that GP is working on an update version of Transdem for 09, so my terrain Etc. shouldn't be effected. I can't get hold of Andi06 to ask about any plans for his creations.
Anyway.
  • Is the default track in 09 the only one available at present?
  • What would be your suggestions: Wait until I receive 09 and start again or carry on in 06 and hope for the best?
Thanks in advance
Cheers
pete.

I would recommend a mixture of the two. I would carry on with the route until you got TS2009, and then import it and run it from there.

As for the track question, there are loads of tracks in TS2009, but 99.999% of them (Well, all but one) were defaults in or created for TRS2004/6. There is one called TS2009 example track that is at TS2009 standards.

Also, there is a feature in TS2009 to replace either all objects or selected objects with a different one, so you could replace your current track with TS2009 track if you so wished at any point in the construction of your layout.

There is also an option to switch 10M grid baseboards to 5M grid baseboards.
 
Ah that last point answers what I was going to ask! Glad to know you will be able to swith the grid size. Admirable!
 
junctions with twin track

Tried that,did not work




Junctions on double track are the same as on single track: you click on a spline point with the track you want selected and it should work.

However, I do not recommend the use of double tracks as it decreases the reliability of the AI because they are programmed to travel in the direction that the tracks were laid, so it would require the use of a lot of direction markers to get them to behave.
 
I have just tested the 5M grid and it only applies to new baseboards.

As for the track points, I have just tried them and they work perfectly.

Which track are you attempting to connect to which track?
 
I too have noticed that 5m grid only seems to apply to a new baseboard. Even when I started a route the first board defaults to 10m, changing it to 5m didn't work. I had to create a second board set at 5m then delete the first board! I assumed I was doing something wrong!

Re double tracks - I always thought (and experienced) that junctions couldn't be made with them. They were only for quickly laying double tracks and you have to connect single tracks to them to create junctions. I gave up using double track and prefer parallel single track - more reliable.
Yorkshire
 
Tried that,did not work

Snipped.

Re double tracks - I always thought (and experienced) that junctions couldn't be made with them. They were only for quickly laying double tracks and you have to connect single tracks to them to create junctions. I gave up using double track and prefer parallel single track - more reliable.
Yorkshire

Hi Guys,
As I stated earlier. 70% of my route is double track, complete with, junctions / switches / points ; or whatever you wish to call them :D .

This is how I overcome the double junction problem.
First I downloaded Andi06's junction kit, (available in a pack), also his 3.5 track gauge template (UK Standard). I ran my double track up to the junctions and (using the templates) connected them to the junctions with two very short (about 1 sleeper) single track lengths. I used the same method exiting the junction. The result was a double junction, which worked and looked very neat. It took about 5 - 8 minutes per junction.
Of course. the short cross-over track (which must be present in a double junction) isn't recognised by the normal signal set-up but there are rules available on the DS to overcome this problem, a little complicated to set up, but once you've mastered your first one then its plain sailing.
This is in 06, but as 06 tracks work in 09 it shouldn't be a problem.

Hope this has been of some use

Cheers
Pete
 
Hi Guys,
As I stated earlier. 70% of my route is double track, complete with, junctions / switches / points ; or whatever you wish to call them :D .

This is how I overcome the double junction problem.
First I downloaded Andi06's junction kit, (available in a pack), also his 3.5 track gauge template (UK Standard). I ran my double track up to the junctions and (using the templates) connected them to the junctions with two very short (about 1 sleeper) single track lengths. I used the same method exiting the junction. The result was a double junction, which worked and looked very neat. It took about 5 - 8 minutes per junction.
Of course. the short cross-over track (which must be present in a double junction) isn't recognised by the normal signal set-up but there are rules available on the DS to overcome this problem, a little complicated to set up, but once you've mastered your first one then its plain sailing.
This is in 06, but as 06 tracks work in 09 it shouldn't be a problem.

Hope this has been of some use

Cheers
Pete

Well I must totally agree with you re using Andi06's animated junctions - in fact I use them on all my layouts all the time. I use two of his turnouts (points) together with his diamond crossing - though you need to use his 0.5 meter connection track between the points and crossing.

Looking on the 2009 development forum it seems Andi is working on new animated junctions with the invisible traxck built in so no need to 'wire' them up. This will be a great step forward.

Yorkshire
 
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