Turn off engine

Retro00064 · Jan 17, 2011

itareus said:
This built in driver command:

Locomotive start or shut down command,<kuid2:86105:60577:1>

Might work for some locos (the command signal is an ignition key).

I really want that Driver command. :udrool: It is not built-in to TRS2004. Where can I get it? It is not on the DLS, not is it on Phil_C's (the creator) World of Trainz website. :'(

Thanks and regards.

rweber95 · Jan 17, 2011

You can't get it. It is built-in in TRS2006 thru TS2010. It shows in the main list in CM3.3 but you can't open it for edit. It doesn't show in the rule/script list in Surveyor so you can't apply it to a loco.

Bob

Dep · Jan 17, 2011

Jacobchgo19 said:
Yeah as well as you HAVE THE RULE checked your good to go..
Im with you guys on the not very prototypical running engines part.

Thats the truest it can get for this thread

I don't know about other countries, but in the USA it is VERY COMMON for diesel locos to be left running all day long if they are in service. I used to live in the Chicago area and visited many of the rail yards. It was quite common to see diesels sitting for hours at a time idling and doing nothing. I now live in New Mexico, and when I visit Lordsburg, I always see diesels from BN/SF and UP sitting idling doing nothing in the yards in that area. A diesel engine is much more fuel efficient than a gasoline engine, so idling isn't burning a large amount of fuel. You will also see diesel semi-trailer trucks at truck stops with the driver inside having breakfast while the engine is left running. Many of them leave the engine running all night while they sleep inside of it with air conditioning or heater running.

cascaderailroad · Jan 17, 2011

Prior to the gas crisis in the 1970's diesel loco's were left idling 24-7-365, asside from downtime in the repair shop.

If they were having a catastrophic engine failure in cold weather, the engine block freeze plugs were pulled, and coolant was dumped right on the ground. Ahhh ... the wonderful days before the EPA

mezzoprezzo · Jan 17, 2011

Retro00064 said:
I really want that Driver command. :udrool: It is not built-in to TRS2004. Where can I get it? It is not on the DLS, not is it on Phil_C's (the creator) World of Trainz website. :'(

Thanks and regards.

I'd also love to have that feature on my TRS2004 routes.

The shutdown noise sounded really good when I ran a diesel shunter off the end of a track - it wound down at around 8 seconds after the derailment. There was some residual, much quieter, other engine type noise still running afterwards, but I could live with that.

It would be great to be able to shut these loco's down in the sidings and engine sheds.

Any information would be gratefully received.

Cheers
Casper

bolea · Jan 17, 2011

cascaderailroad said:
Auran can't even get he DLS working ... let alone developing "turning off locomotive" commands.

Besides ... Auran does nothing with asset creation at all ... all the 3rd party creators do all the hard leg work and creating for Auran, and donate their creations to Auran ... creating all the assets for free, and giving them away for free to Auran ... thats the real ironic beauty of it ... Auran does nothing ... and rakes in the money, while everyone else does all the hard work for them.

Don't hold your breath, waiting, and expecting the next vrsion of Trainz to be released.

THANK GOODNESS, someone with the same thought as mine!

Dep · Jan 17, 2011

cascaderailroad said:
Prior to the gas crisis in the 1970's diesel loco's were left idling 24-7-365, asside from downtime in the repair shop.

If they were having a catastrophic engine failure in cold weather, the engine block freeze plugs were pulled, and coolant was dumped right on the ground. Ahhh ... the wonderful days before the EPA

Yep....diesel fuel gets very thick in cold weather and it makes diesel engines much harder to start. So most diesel users leave them running. Plus the compression ratio of diesel engines is much higher than gasoline engines, some are 25-1. That also makes starting in cold weather very difficult.

Dep · Jan 17, 2011

bolea said:
THANK GOODNESS, someone with the same thought as mine!

trust me...you guys are not alone in this thinking :Y:

Dean_Forest · Jan 17, 2011

Dep said:
I don't know about other countries, but in the USA it is VERY COMMON for diesel locos to be left running all day long if they are in service. I used to live in the Chicago area and visited many of the rail yards. It was quite common to see diesels sitting for hours at a time idling and doing nothing. I now live in New Mexico, and when I visit Lordsburg, I always see diesels from BN/SF and UP sitting idling doing nothing in the yards in that area. A diesel engine is much more fuel efficient than a gasoline engine, so idling isn't burning a large amount of fuel. You will also see diesel semi-trailer trucks at truck stops with the driver inside having breakfast while the engine is left running. Many of them leave the engine running all night while they sleep inside of it with air conditioning or heater running.

A few years ago when EWS was still owned by an American railroad, I watched a steam tour come in with one steam locomotive and two diesels, both the diesels were idling all day. There were two of them because one could not apparently work the return journey alone (the steam locomotive remaining at the destination) but a pair of modern locomotives on a pleasantly warm spring day to be left idling? Are they really going to struggle to start?

This is what happens when a locomotive is left idling for a period of time:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/50335139@N00/1936242591
Idling chokes up the engines and results in maintenance difficulties, such that it is often cheaper to have them hauling trains through that time.

Dep · Jan 17, 2011

Dean_Forest said:
A few years ago when EWS was still owned by an American railroad, I watched a steam tour come in with one steam locomotive and two diesels, both the diesels were idling all day. There were two of them because one could not apparently work the return journey alone (the steam locomotive remaining at the destination) but a pair of modern locomotives on a pleasantly warm spring day to be left idling? Are they really going to struggle to start?

This is what happens when a locomotive is left idling for a period of time:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/50335139@N00/1936242591
Idling chokes up the engines and results in maintenance difficulties, such that it is often cheaper to have them hauling trains through that time.

Hmmm...let it idle or replace a starter that has worn out prematurely because of constant start-and-stop and take the train out of service. Somehow I think they are gonna leave it running.

NikkiA · Jan 17, 2011

Dep said:
I don't know about other countries, but in the USA it is VERY COMMON for diesel locos to be left running all day long if they are in service.
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It certainly used to be that way here in the UK too, and probably for the most part still is. I think the bottom line is that large diesel engines are like a magic schrodinger machine - if they're running, you know they work, but the moment you stop them, there is uncertainty as to whether they'll start back up again without visiting the workshop first.

I used to trainspot at a nice vantage point that overlooked York yard back in the late 70s whenever I got chance, and every engine you saw sat waiting was almost always idling away. In fact, if I recall correctly, I only ever saw 2 engines start up in that yard, a class 20 and a very claggy deltic that was hit-or-miss on starting its second engine. Everything else you'd have had to have been there at 4am to see it start up

Dep · Jan 17, 2011

NikkiA said:
It certainly used to be that way here in the UK too, and probably for the most part still is. I think the bottom line is that large diesel engines are like a magic schrodinger machine - if they're running, you know they work, but the moment you stop them, there is uncertainty as to whether they'll start back up again without visiting the workshop first.

I used to trainspot at a nice vantage point that overlooked York yard back in the late 70s whenever I got chance, and every engine you saw sat waiting was almost always idling away. In fact, if I recall correctly, I only ever saw 2 engines start up in that yard, a class 20 and a very claggy deltic that was hit-or-miss on starting its second engine. Everything else you'd have had to have been there at 4am to see it start up

Yep...that mirrors my experience visiting the SOO Line in Franklin Park, IL. I kinda like all that black smoke pouring out. And the sound is like muted thunder.
And I agree 100% about the magic schrodinger machine...although I haven't been able to find out what that is

My experience with diesels is limited to diesel tank engines in the Army back in 1970. They were, at best, finicky to start. One would fire up faster than a Ferrari...another would crank and crank until the battery wore down and you had to jump-start it.

cascaderailroad · Jan 17, 2011

Dep · Jan 17, 2011

cascaderailroad: WOW!!!! Awesome videos. I love the comment from the Conrail guy :Y:

cascaderailroad · Jan 18, 2011

0 to 60 in @ 5 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgXFxw4OD7Q&feature=rec-LGOUT-farside_rn-3r-1-HM

Ever notice how when you set up a photo shoot ... some rude guy sets right up in front of you, blocking your shot ?

How would you make a locomotive stationary, so that it does not move when throttled ... making it still able to throttle up, and make it smoke, like at start up at a load test ?

mccarrolli · Jan 18, 2011

Great video. I had 3985 fly by me when it was on the Missouri River Eagle excursion in Kansas City last year. I was only 5 feet from the tracks and it was awesome.

ct_krogen · Jan 18, 2011

Lewiscc65 said:
I would love to shut down engines not in use. Nothing bothers me more than having an engine in the repair shop running or a bunch in the yard idling.

but in real life , they let the engine just sit & run......

Railwayz · Jan 19, 2011

To leave it running or not?

ct_krogen said:
but in real life , they let the engine just sit & run......

Something you guys are missing is that when a diesel locomotive is shutdown for any length of time it needs around about an hour before the Driver can move the throttle past 2 notch. This is to allow the turbo and other engine parts to be fully lubricated and avoid engine damage. When I was a young Driver this was hammered into us repeatedly and if I saw any of my Drivers doing differently now they'd be carpeted quick smart.

In the case of the diesels on the heritage train along with the steam engine, the engines would have been left running because to shut them down would have been impractical because they would more than likely be needed before too long.

In the case of the semi drivers leaving their engines running while they had breakfast you will may find it was because of the turbo timer, a device that keeps the motor running for a fixed period of time to allow the turbo to cool after a lot of work. all of the locomotives in use on our railway are fitted with this.

Here in Australia all rail operators have a program called "fuel misering", where crew are expected to shut down any excess horsepower or any engine that is not going to be moved for any length of time. This helps the company bottom line and therefore the bonuses paid every year.

In the "old days" when I first started as an Engineman with the NSW Railways locomotives were left running almost indefinitely so that they were always avaliable for work. Fuel was cheap and plentiful then you see. But with the cost of fuel nowadays and most locomotives having 10-20,000 litre fuel tanks, filling them up all of the time hurts the hip pocket. It also overcame the problem of a locomotive not starting due to cold/defect/flat batteries which had not been replaced by a lazy fitter.

Another reason to consider with trains used on trackwork is that many residents get really annoyed late at night with a 3 or 4 thousand horsepower locomotive idling outside their window and causing the family photos to vibrate off the shelf. Drivers are requried to shutdown the locomotive if no work is going to be performed for an extended period.

For all of the reasons above I say yes, providing a start up and shut down option is essential for any sort of reality. And it's fun too!

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