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That is not Arch Roof, It's a Standard roof. I can see the difference on it.
It looks wonderful, and very prototypical. I didn’t mean to start anything, I was just confused by the terminology and based in what I know of C&O heavyweights wondered if it was arch or clerestory, and the standard comment through me, but it is a wonderful reskin. I guess it is like saying a 4-4-0 is a “Standard Loco” because between 1850 and 1880 most USA locos were 4-4-0s, is why it confused me, and because I have put lots of research into Pullman built coaches, I just wanted to try to clarify, not try to start a row, the community has enough silly bickering going on over unimportant stuff. To sum it up, beautiful reskin of a nice clerestory roofed car.That is fair, I just didn't want this thread to spiral into a debate over passenger car roof terminology
Clerestory. (pronounced “clear-story”) That portion of a roof that sticks up higher than surrounding portions, hence the portion of a passenger car roof that rises above the roof proper, usually with windows in the sides for light and/or openings for ventilation. Syn. deck, dome, elevated, lantern, monitor, monitor-top, raised, upper deck, steamboat, Texas roof. The former, “deck” was so widely-used at the turn of the century that the 1898 Car-Builder’s Dictionary used that term exclusively. First used in American car framing about 1860, and widely used through the 1930s. The raised portion of a caboose or cabin-car was early termed a lookout, later a cupola.Here in America it's a standard roof, cuz it was the standard in the 1910s to 1930s.
No, if it's based on Whitepass's car it's got a clerestory. Archroof and turtleback are synonymous.That's interesting. I can confirm that this car does not have a clerestory, nor does it have a turtleback like my museum's 1910 Frisco heavyweight got when it was rebuilt with A.C. in 1942. Guess that would make it an arch roof then? Also, thanks for the compliments, glad to hear that I'm on the right track. Hoping to get a full consist of C&O heavyweights going.
So many different forms of roofs, many old clerestory coaches had the windows plated out (SOU/TVRM 1683/8, P&N 2102 and 2201, most Lackawanna MU Trailers.) It was big in the 1940s. Then came the “full work” of applying a “turtleback skin” overtop the clerestory to create a modern heavyweight (another way I was taught archroofs and turtleback arch roofs are slightly different), but retaining the body squared ends where the clerestory rose up. “Clear-storey” in the USA, “Clair-es-tree” in the originating UK pronunciation, and in hard Western UK accents “Clair-es-tor-e”. Clear storey makes no sense based on how the letters are placed, but likely evolved from the fact that it was a raised portion, like another storey on top the car, with clear sides because of the glass. Now the car you showe in the real life picture is a largely unchanged modified heavyweight, sealed windows, but still in the original frames (SP Style) rather than the large smooth faded picture windows, and still retaining a clerestory roof, just with plated out ventilation windows.Huh. I thought it was only a clerestory roof if it had windows along the raised portion, but I guess not. Passenger cars are not exactly my area of expertise so I have a lot to learn on the subject. Guess you learn something new every day. Thanks for sharing.