Hey Why CSX and NS Cancelled Steam Program
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The Reason Why NS's Program Was Killed...
If someone hasn't mentioned already, there are three major reasons why Norfolk Southern dropped their steam program at the end of 1994.
1.) The deaths of the Claytor Brothers (Graham in late 1993 and Bob early in 1994):'(
2.) The decision of David Goode to run more freight trains, which meant more MONEY(then president of the NS Corp.)
3.) The ever increasing need for track space to run the excursions.
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However, after the program was dropped, things have begun to change for the better. 611 is well cared for @ VMT in Roanoke and so is 1218. David Goode's position was taken over by Wick Moorman in the earlier part of this decade.
Most railfans have mentioned that Moorman is the most steam-friendly president since the program ended. But NS has one stipulation to steamers running on their lines: They need a diesel behind them.
But 611 is reasonably close to running again. All that's needed is some new flues, some other minor repairs and a new Form 4. If NS were to run steam again, I wouldn't mind them putting the F-Units (be it the whole set or two of them) behing the J.
Just my opinion (btw, the reference as to why the program was killed is from the book "Steam's Camelot", written by Jim Wrinn - A GREAT READ!)
- Trainmaster844
If someone hasn't mentioned already, there are three major reasons why Norfolk Southern dropped their steam program at the end of 1994.
1.) The deaths of the Claytor Brothers (Graham in late 1993 and Bob early in 1994):'(
2.) The decision of David Goode to run more freight trains, which meant more MONEY(then president of the NS Corp.)
3.) The ever increasing need for track space to run the excursions.
________________________________________________________________
However, after the program was dropped, things have begun to change for the better. 611 is well cared for @ VMT in Roanoke and so is 1218. David Goode's position was taken over by Wick Moorman in the earlier part of this decade.
Most railfans have mentioned that Moorman is the most steam-friendly president since the program ended. But NS has one stipulation to steamers running on their lines: They need a diesel behind them.
But 611 is reasonably close to running again. All that's needed is some new flues, some other minor repairs and a new Form 4. If NS were to run steam again, I wouldn't mind them putting the F-Units (be it the whole set or two of them) behing the J.
Just my opinion (btw, the reference as to why the program was killed is from the book "Steam's Camelot", written by Jim Wrinn - A GREAT READ!)
- Trainmaster844
If someone hasn't mentioned already, there are three major reasons why Norfolk Southern dropped their steam program at the end of 1994.
1.) The deaths of the Claytor Brothers (Graham in late 1993 and Bob early in 1994):'(
2.) The decision of David Goode to run more freight trains, which meant more MONEY(then president of the NS Corp.)
3.) The ever increasing need for track space to run the excursions.
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However, after the program was dropped, things have begun to change for the better. 611 is well cared for @ VMT in Roanoke and so is 1218. David Goode's position was taken over by Wick Moorman in the earlier part of this decade.
Most railfans have mentioned that Moorman is the most steam-friendly president since the program ended. But NS has one stipulation to steamers running on their lines: They need a diesel behind them.
But 611 is reasonably close to running again. All that's needed is some new flues, some other minor repairs and a new Form 4. If NS were to run steam again, I wouldn't mind them putting the F-Units (be it the whole set or two of them) behing the J.
Just my opinion (btw, the reference as to why the program was killed is from the book "Steam's Camelot", written by Jim Wrinn - A GREAT READ!)
- Trainmaster844
Execpt the 1218 bascly had all its insides scraped when the program went down:'(
simulatortrain
jointed freaking rails
No. I am 15, and I act nothing like that.
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came awfully close, though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIUWbU0Om1g&playnext_from=TL&videos=3IwK1kC7lGU
Even big steam excursion operators like Steamtown and Reading and Northern won't run excursions on NS because of the hassle and cost involved, plus NS doesn't like friction bearings which is basically all old steel open window coaches that those excursion operators use and some steam locomotives. In the 1980's it was much easier to run steam trips on Conrail because they were more lenient, like the Blue Mountain & Reading trips with #2102 in Sept. 1985, fall 1987, and 1988. They went to places like Harrisburg, Philadelphia, Gettysburg (May 21, 1988 only), Jim Thorpe, Horseshoe Curve (with PRR E8 diesels in Aug 1988) etc. from Temple Station north of Reading, PA (and South Hamburg in 1987 and 1988).
I be 14 and act nothing like that.