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Thread: TUME’s Simulation of “The Milwaukee Road”

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    Default Wind Power for The Milwaukee Road

    Building the Milwaukee Road in Trainz means I need to do a lot of investigations to find out how the whole corridore used to look like back the time at the end of the 60's and the beginning of the 70's.
    Eventually I also need to check all these old fotos with the relief of the areas in google map which showes me the MILW corridor in its todays appearence.

    Sometimes it is just hard to beliefe that all this MILW stuff has just been gone ...
    ... and sometimes during the many houres of ground texturing and tree and building placement, I wonder how would the Milwaukee Road appeare in our times today ...

    Would we see refurbished or even a brand new gerneration of Joes pulling transcontinental freights powered by clean energie such as wind power?

    But hey ... lets have a look I thought ... :-)

    Seeing this screens it is imaginable what a high potentioal has once been given up due to the terrible desission to end up Milwaukee Roads electrifigation!












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    Hi Tume i love that idea but...

    wind as for solar only powers very little power transmission powers more but now they mostly put any new projects underground as I am an expert on energy

    and wind mills also kills birds and bats as well

    hope that helps

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    Its amazing to think how profitable MILW would have been if they kept there electrification in place during the oil crisis in the late 70s.

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    As far as I know, the Substation #13 at East Portal was equipped with 3 sets of motor-generators of 2MW each. That means East Portal had a capacity of 6MW.

    The average nominal output of the onshore windpower systems newly installed in 2018 in Germany was 3.34 MW. So eventually two of such wind turbines would probably deliver enough energee to maintain a substation with a capacity of 6MW.
    Considering that it is mostly quite windy ontop of mountain chains, I conclude that some (may be three perhaps four - just in case) wind turbines at that locations would deliver enough power for the electrics.
    In addition to this a fall back connection to other power suplys would be kept of course.

    Yes - the switch to diesel so shortly before the oil crisis was terrible. Ok - they may could not foresee the oil crisis. But the desission to put forward in favour of diesels was a result of several other mistakes. And these mistakes could have been recognized as such.

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    Hi Tume

    I sent you a pm

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    Hi Tume

    cool route i think it will be a great idea if the milwaukee road will still be in operation and now be powered by wind to power trains aka joes

    its tough seeing it abandoned and now a part of the line is now used as the soo line

    Tume great job and keep up the great work (sorry for saying I'm a expert on energy i'm not a expert on energy) but it will be cool to make a route with wind mills

    i am a HUGE fan of your route since i first bought trainz in 2011 and i always think the milwaukee road was a great route

    best wishes Matthew

    PS

    Tume are you thinking of adding those windmills to your next milwaukee road release
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    Default Alberton-Avery progress towards Alberton, MT

    Hello,
    thank you all for your compliments!

    At first: The route will be set up in the time at the end of the 60's. And there will be no wind power stations :-)
    I did the screens with the wind power station just because I which a wind powered MILW-RR would be true.

    I have been asked which trainz version I will support. I did not decide that at the moment. Now the route is still in T:ANE. The change to TS19 would require new BPR Ground textures, which I already created. But also I would need to do track and bridge assets using BPR-textures as well - because it would look terrible to have non BPR-textured tracks at BPR Ground textures. About the tunnel portals it is the same. But to create BPR-textured assets, I still need to learn a lot about using blender and so on.
    After taking over ther route from T:ANE into TS19 I would need to do several grass and environment work to add nice looking grass and rocks and other environmental stuff into the route like it is possible in TS19.

    A fast possibility would be to release a pre-version of the route in T:ANE first, so people could already play with it. After that I could do all the work necessary to bring it over to TS19 - like descibed above. My aim then would be to release the TS19-Alberton-Avery-Route within the next version of trainz - if N3V-Games would agree.

    But anyway, I need to get the route finished first - right? Then I will discuss release options with N3V-Games.

    During the last days I could push the landscape decoration southside of Clark Fork River (along the BN-track) closer to Alberton, MT. Now we are just one big curve (about 3 Miles) away from Alberton, MT.

    The screens indicates a BN westbound freight going from Sawmill Gulch through a big curve towards Cyr, MT.


















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    Default Progress screens 4 miles west of Alberton, MT

    Hello, again come progress screens from my Milwaukee Road Alberton - Avery route.
    The screens indicates a eastbound freight just some meters before it dives into tunnel #18, located about 4 miles west of Alberton, MT.
    Inside the Alberton depot building some fresh, hot coffee is already waiting for the engineers and the caboose crew.












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    Default 2,5 miles to Alberton, MT

    Hello,
    tonight I could finish the rocky slope northside of Clark Fork River stretching from tunnel #18 about two miles towards Alberton, MT.

    The last screen has been taken about 2,5 miles west of Alberton, MT.

    Decorating this section was a lot harder as several forrests because of all the details which needed to be positioned at the right place to meet the simulation looking as close as possible like the real thing. So I had to switch between trainz and google maps quite a lot.

    The two lane road is Interstate 90. At the end of the 60's and at the beginning of the 70's Interstate 90 used to be just a two lane road between Alberton and Henderson, MT.




















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    The Route looks very well detailed........You have much to be so proud of.,,,,,,,,,,,,

    And I know from doing much smaller Mountains, when there as large as yours, and the area is so expanded, it takes a lot more time to do detail work, as well, it hard working on 45 Degree levels..........

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    Default Its getting closer ...

    Hello, after the rocky slope, I spent the last days in modelling and decorating the Clark Fork River and the forrest along the BN (ex. NP) tracks at that portion of the route.

    @blueodessey:
    Thank you for your compliment :-)



















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    Amazing job of plotting railroads on both sides of the river, as well as decorating all of that prototype landscape Tume!
    “We are all travelers in the wilderness of this world, and the best we can find in our travels is an honest friend.” - R.L.S.

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    That's an amazing job you're doing and this brought back some memories.

    In July 2012, I traveled between Miles City and Roundup, Montana with a storm-chasing group. Parallel to the highway US 12 is the ROW of the former Pacifica Northwest Extension. This end didn't have the catenary, but there were plenty of signs of old MILW railroad along the way.

    We headed west on US12 at Forsythe, MT after eating some lunch and getting some fuel. There we saw the competing former Great Northern line still in operation with some BNSF coal trains waiting in the yard there. What's interesting is, and this was one of the quirky things about the MILW, is there was no interchange with the Great Northern line there at all even though the MILW was across the river. They had a small depot, but bypassed this thriving community a bit too far away.

    Onward we traveled after going up hill and then on to the relatively flat upland area above the Yellowstone river. To the left was the ROW that paralleled the road for a good distance before dipping off away and returning sometime later. Still seen were big concrete bridges, telegraph poles - some still had insulators on them, some wooden bridges, and even some cattle stock pens where the railroad served these small hamlets and farmers. There's even a town that had a "modern" school building, but that was the only modern tall building the rest were small houses. After some research, I found this town grew up because of the railroad and when the line was abandoned, the town shrunk down.

    We traveled along through the plains. There were very few trees except right along the Yellowstone River and next to the tracks that moved away from the road, but came back again off and on. In some places out there, were former signal relay boxes and occasional signal masts. Then we came to a bigger town that had a substantial yard at Melstone.

    https://goo.gl/maps/jtfUZgh27ys3xZr48

    Here's the overview.

    https://goo.gl/maps/BJhZ7B2m3ziN12KG7

    At Melstone, I could see a train order loop and other bits and pieces. The image above doesn't show that, but I see other things in there. There were also piles of ripped up ties still on the ground after 40 years!

    We continued on our trip with other signs here and there and when we reached Roundup, we headed up towards Great Falls, MT, but in Roundup is a still in good condition Warren Truss bridge visible from the road.

    As we were riding along, I pointed out these signs to other travelers. Most couldn't care since they weren't interested in railroads, but there was two other travelers who were with one being the driver. We ended up talking about this part of the trip afterwards and he and I said that it's a total waste seeing this railroad rotting away and going back to nature. After that I did some reading on the MILW and found out that it was an accounting error that forced the company to abandon the line. The Pacific Northwest Extension was the most profitable part of the system, and if it had continued operations today, would be a viable transportation link between Seattle and other points east. The MILW Pacific Extension was built to modern standards with a wide ROW and smooth eased curves. With a route built this way, fast container and intermodal freights could easily cover the route since this route was actually faster than the others used today. Thinking about this now, I get that sick pit in my stomach that we get when we're saddened by an event. Seeing this then did the same thing.

    Anyway. I wish you well on your project and I look forward to seeing more of it as the route progresses. I would love to see modern trains, electric or diesel, plying the route once again. The MILW today could run some modern electrics, perhaps all the way from Miles City with both sections connected rather than separate. The alternative could be big Tier 4 diesels and maybe some GE Dash-somethings as well all painted in the famous black and orange we know the MILW for.
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