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Railshuttle said:

If you are gonna update them, could you add the simplistic control option to them. Running them like real trains can be a pain sometimes.

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This is a really great train to run if you Read the manual. It has a pneumatic brake script which allows Trainz to run almost like BVE. And braking in this train is very good and controllable. But a quick drive version without any scrips could always be useful. But this is a real great train. I did drive it today and I'm in love with this train.

Ignore this... started working on the solution without recording the issues

Yeah I tend to use the quick drive alot to test drive my route. Also having one train run realisticly tends to screw up the other trains for some reason.
I've got the TRS 19 running but how the hell do I download trains on this thing?!! IT's vastly different from trainz 12. And how would I download trians form other sites on here?!!

Railshuttle said:

Yeah I tend to use the quick drive alot to test drive my route. Also having one train run realisticly tends to screw up the other trains for some reason.
I've got the TRS 19 running but how the hell do I download trains on this thing?!! IT's vastly different from trainz 12. And how would I download trians form other sites on here?!!

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You download trains content manager. That where I do download the trains. Via the filters. Add some custom filters and then you can filter anything what's on the DLS. For example search by author: hirochi and then add a second filter line by using on download station = true and a third filter for example like installed : false.

Then you get a list by trains from hirochi that you have not installed locally and that are on the download station. That is just an example.

But you can also use the search fields in the menu. Actually downloading trains in TRS2019 is easy as you can also browse by picture.

As for the Icarus Mostly Building Snapshot. I have been 3 days late but it's coming this week. I did some massive building work last weekend and today I made music. Now not having the energy to do in this evening but I have vacation and will upload the snapshot this week.

Railshuttle said:

Yeah I tend to use the quick drive alot to test drive my route. Also having one train run realisticly tends to screw up the other trains for some reason.
I've got the TRS 19 running but how the hell do I download trains on this thing?!! IT's vastly different from trainz 12. And how would I download trians form other sites on here?!!

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Maybe ask Rizky if he just can detach the script from the model and/or make a quickdrive version of it. It is probably easy for him. The difficult work was making all the custom scripts for this train. That is the special attraction of this model.

Railshuttle said:

If you are gonna update them, could you add the simplistic control option to them. Running them like real trains can be a pain sometimes.

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You can use DCC

I dont know has anybody knew about this but by the time i am posting this

the Series E4 shinkansen has retired on the tohuku shinkansen : (
they had a good run.

and by any chance would anyone make the "thank you E4" livery on hiroshi's E4?

~Takagi-San~

Curious, were the double-decker shinkansens not being used to capacity, or are the new single-deck trains going to be twice as long?

@Duskeydusky: very nice pic. I see the new AlexMaria trains WIP?
Sad to see the E4 Shinkansen disappearing. They where quite iconic. We should see a new type of Shinkansen in te future though. The E8: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E8_Series_Shinkansen

So that will keep the variation up.

DCC won't work on them.

Railshuttle said:

DCC won't work on them.

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idk about "them", but it's work on my train.

Icarus Shinkanse Building Snapshot 9

Download Link:

https://we.tl/t-k6KIwr94Rk

This is a TRS2019 file if one needs a TANE version just post it.

In this version

- Made Icarus Main Line having station numbers up to Hamada Onsen (working upwards to the North from Oga) to make session making easier.
- Completed Electrification on Section Icaruco Airport > Icaruko Terminal on both lines. (Icaruco Main line and the Other yet unnamed line)
- Kobari Sea Side
- Added scenery around Icaruko and many other places
- Did a reallignment of some train routes trhough Icaruko to make a more sensible network in term of connections
- Made a large Icaruko Metro Line 1 (where the screenshots below are from) The Metro Line 1 is a North/South route with through running. It runs the Icaruko metro (by AlexMaria) and Tokyo 16000 consists along with some other tba trains


Screenshots (and a nod to the E4. Sayonara E4 Shinkansen :'()

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I call this screenshot: In love?

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Icaruko 4 Pagoda Park. The Chinese Pagoda:

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4 Pagoda Park:

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Link to album:

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmWUL8QC

Rizky_Adiputra said:

idk about "them", but it's work on my train.

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I think he is means it doesn't work with or via the standard keys. Because DCC does certainly work but not via the standard keys. I assume that's what Railshuttle means.

Forester1 said:

Curious, were the double-decker shinkansens not being used to capacity, or are the new single-deck trains going to be twice as long?

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From what I have read it is because they want to speed up the Tohoku Shinkansen and the Joetsu in the future. And the E4 runs "only" 240 km/h max they have decided to phase out this trains. They are probably also on the end of their service life. From the video's that I saw they where not used to full capacity anymore. Its sad to see them go. Luckily we got them in Trainz.

Edited to add the Vidieo by It's Railway Caruze. At 9:13 in the video there is an in train announcement explaining the reasons why the E4 is retired. Also very nice vido

Forester1 said:

Curious, were the double-decker shinkansens not being used to capacity, or are the new single-deck trains going to be twice as long?

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pagroove said:

From what I have read it is because they want to speed up the Tohoku Shinkansen and the Joetsu in the future. And the E4 runs "only" 240 km/h max they have decided to phase out this trains. They are probably also on the end of their service life. From the video's that I saw they where not used to full capacity anymore. Its sad to see them go. Luckily we got them in Trainz.

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The replacement of E4 Shinkansen trains will be the single-deck E7 Series, wich is already in service. The issue with the double-decker shinkansen trains was indeed their double deck: due to the larger passenger capacity, while keeping the same two doors per side as single-level shinkansens, the dwell time for the E4 Series is far larger than other trains, meaning that the train sits at the station for longer, and thus the frequency of services on the line is limited.
By removing the E4 Series, JR East will be able to increase the frequency of the lines and thus will be able to "squeeze in" a couple more trains in the tightly packed schedules. Therefore, counter-intuitively, removing the highest-capacity shinkansen trains will be actually beneficial to the line's overall capacity.

Double-decker shinkansen trains are an oddity, a by-product of the Tohoku and the Joets Shinkansen lines' particular planning history, we could say. The "original" Tokaido Shinkansen was built to relieve congestion on the saturated Tokaido Main Line and scheduling was competitive with airline travel, therefore ridership (and thus revenue) was almost assured from the start. A similar thing happened in 1975 with the San'yo Shinkansen: while the San'yo Main Line wasn't as congested as the Tokaido Main Line and airlines could still have a sizeable market share, the San'yo Shinkansen ran trough a densely populated and well-developed area, ensuring even here a sizeable ridership, altough not as much as the Tokaido Shinkansen.

The matter with the Tohoku and Joetsu Shinkansen lines was entirely different: the regions north of Tokyo were (and still partly are to this day) predominantly rural and underdeveloped (compared to the rest of Honshu). For the first time the matter of planning a Shinkansen line wasn't left entirely to the National Railways, but was taken over mostly by political entities, with the Shinkansen no longer being used as a relief for conventional lines, but rather as a political tool (some might say a "pork barrel"), officially to "establish closer ties with Tokyo and to promote regional development".

In the end, the cost of building new Shinkansen lines for a low ridership was one of the main contributing factors to JNR's debt collapse and subsequent privatization in 1987. Upon it's formation, JR East inherited the Tohoku and Joetsu shinkansen lines as it's only high-speed lines, with both having ridership far lower than the minimium needed to break even.
Thus, in an attempt to gain ridership, for the first time, the Shinkansen began to be "marketed" not only to long-distance travellers, but also to commuters as well. The E1 and E4 double-decker shinkansens were a result of this "commuter shinkansen" concept, as they were intended to be used for short services (Ueno to Takasaki or Utsunomiya - services later extended further "outwards" for practical reasons) dedicated for commuters heading into Tokyo, hence the reason for their two decks and lower speed than other shinkansen trains: maximized seated capacity (to contain running costs) while running frequent stopping services.

This was at a time where the two lines were still relatively underutilized, and thus the impact of the longer station dwell times was trascurable. Only from the late 2000s onwards double-decker shinkansen began to be a burden: with the urbanization of rural areas and the extension of the Tohoku Shinkansen northwards, ridership increased dramatically. Add to that the opening of the Nagano Shinkansen (currently the Hokuriku Shinkansen) wich branched off the Joetsu Shinkansen at Takasaki and the original "commuter area" section intended to be served by double-decker shinkansens quickly became saturated with traffic: between Ageo and Tokyo three different Shinkansen lines had to use the same pair of tracks, thus evry second counts.
Furthemore, with profits secured from the increasing ridership, JR East no longer needed the "commuter shinkansen" concept: now squeezing more trains in the timetables took priority, and to do that, getting a train in-and-out of a station as quick as possible is key, something that double-decker shinkansen were unable to do, and thus, led to their retirement.

This is roughly the same problem found on high-traffic conventional lines, such as the Yamanote Line: why don't they use double-decker cars instead of single-level ones? Yes, they're single-level, but they have four doors per side. If the Yamanote Line was to use double-decker cars with two doors only, it's capacity would be reduced to a third of what it is now.
Something related to this happened in few years ago in France: on Line A of the Paris RER, the world's busiest railway line outside Japan, the introduction of the new MI09 double-decker trains actually hampered the line's capacity, wich was reduced by a couple of trains-per-hour, compared to when the line was operated with the single-level MI84 stock (one of europe's finest electric multiple units) wich had four doors per side. This was even depsite the fact that MI09s are an exceptional case within double-decker trains as they're fitted with thee doors per side (like their MI2N predecessors) instead of the far more commonplace two.

Interesting. Thank you both for the video and for the histories!

pagroove said:

@Duskeydusky: very nice pic. I see the new AlexMaria trains WIP?

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Yes it is Socimi’s new Seibu 101. I think its still wip.