KotangaGirl
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KotangaGirl
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I asked Paul if he would number one of his 45xx small Prairies as no 4545 which was a Penzance engine during the BR era. These 45xx's are really old models though and I had IM Editor running hot fixing all the faults that SP3 didn't like. I had to redo a normal map and fix some other texture bits and bobs as well, but at the end of it all I now have a really useful engine.
A quick look over the 45xx page at The Great Western Archive http://www.greatwestern.org.uk/262_4500det.htm showed me that 45xx's were no strangers to Penzance and Truro so I'll no doubt be introducing some more to this route as I continue to get rid of its incorrectly assigned engines and rolling stock.
It's interesting though to see that more than a few 45xx's were withdrawn at about the same time as the the first of the new 2MT 'Mickey Mouse' Moguls were being introduced.
Last week I purchased a couple of Gary Price's 51xx large Prairies for research purposes. There's large Prairies all over this route, but in actual fact they were a rarish bird with Truro having a couple of them at odd times, but no more than that.
A quick look over the 45xx page at The Great Western Archive http://www.greatwestern.org.uk/262_4500det.htm showed me that 45xx's were no strangers to Penzance and Truro so I'll no doubt be introducing some more to this route as I continue to get rid of its incorrectly assigned engines and rolling stock.
It's interesting though to see that more than a few 45xx's were withdrawn at about the same time as the the first of the new 2MT 'Mickey Mouse' Moguls were being introduced.
Last week I purchased a couple of Gary Price's 51xx large Prairies for research purposes. There's large Prairies all over this route, but in actual fact they were a rarish bird with Truro having a couple of them at odd times, but no more than that.
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I'm really liking your Cornish Route Annie! Question though - if the 5100 tanks didn't work the locals in Truro then what class of engine did? i'm going through my GWR books and I can't seem to find it.
Finally a new screenshot from me!
In 1923 the Southern Railway received permission to reopen the Bucklenor Branch that ran from Bucklenor all the way to the mainline connections at Casterford in the south. Although the GWR and LMS maintained control of the general suburban traffic in the region the Southern was permitted control of the boat trains and goods contracts on the branch.
In order to satisfy the need for motive power on the branch, the Southern began experimenting with different passenger tanks from their three constituent companies to find a general locomotive class that would be sufficient for the task.
LBSCR I1 Class 4-4-2s were a Atlantic Tank designed by D.E Marsh as part of his new LBSCR program out of Brighton. The class could reach incredible acceleration speeds but suffered from poor draughting issues thanks to the undersized boiler.
Surprisingly however, the Marsh Atlantic Tanks worked excellently as their introduction to Dearnby granted them access to the Welsh Coal that St. Bennet had to offer. The locomotives became very popular with crews due to their rapid acceleration and reduced turbulence.
Engine No.600 is on an afternoon commute today and she it shining with new paintwork to christen its new career in Dearnby.
As Ex-Midland 1P 1361 pulls in so the ferry passengers can meet 600 at Bucklenor. The guard blows his whistle and 600 stars its journey to meet its connection at Casterford.
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Finally a new screenshot from me!
In 1923 the Southern Railway received permission to reopen the Bucklenor Branch that ran from Bucklenor all the way to the mainline connections at Casterford in the south. Although the GWR and LMS maintained control of the general suburban traffic in the region the Southern was permitted control of the boat trains and goods contracts on the branch.
In order to satisfy the need for motive power on the branch, the Southern began experimenting with different passenger tanks from their three constituent companies to find a general locomotive class that would be sufficient for the task.
LBSCR I1 Class 4-4-2s were a Atlantic Tank designed by D.E Marsh as part of his new LBSCR program out of Brighton. The class could reach incredible acceleration speeds but suffered from poor draughting issues thanks to the undersized boiler.
Surprisingly however, the Marsh Atlantic Tanks worked excellently as their introduction to Dearnby granted them access to the Welsh Coal that St. Bennet had to offer. The locomotives became very popular with crews due to their rapid acceleration and reduced turbulence.
Engine No.600 is on an afternoon commute today and she it shining with new paintwork to christen its new career in Dearnby.
As Ex-Midland 1P 1361 pulls in so the ferry passengers can meet 600 at Bucklenor. The guard blows his whistle and 600 stars its journey to meet its connection at Casterford.
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2995Valliant
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There were quite a few (usually about 12) 4500/4575 prairies based at Truro. Branch line speeds were relatively low so they didn't need anything with bigger wheels so the small priaires were the default motive power for just about every GWR branch in the south west and Wales where the traffic was too heavy for autotanks. That said, Cornwall didn't seem to use the 0-4-2s anywhere.
Oddly the Minehead branch, whihc was much longer and had higher line speeds tan many branches saw panniers used quite extensively alongside both small and large prairies, so a lot of it may have been down to local preference.
Oddly the Minehead branch, whihc was much longer and had higher line speeds tan many branches saw panniers used quite extensively alongside both small and large prairies, so a lot of it may have been down to local preference.
tailight98
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According to the Loco shed book as at April 1957 83G Penzance had the following small Prairie tanks allocated. 4505,4545,4547/8,4563,4566,4570. 83F Truro had 4508,4554,4561,4574,4587/8,
borderreiver
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Hello Valiant. In the current issue of Steam Days magazine page 126 has two shots, one of 1400 Class 0-4-2T No. 1421 waiting with the autotrain for Fowey on Monday August 18 1958 and the other of No. 1419 waiting to depart Fowey for Lostwithiel on Wednesday august 20th 1958. The caption on the latter states that BR continued the GWR service of seven trains a day, with the Fowey branch being the last branch being worked by autotrains in Cornwall. The inference there is that there was at least one other branch in Cornwall where they were used.
KotangaGirl
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With Truro the MPD is in the right place even if it's too small not correct for any era. At Penzance this is missing entirely.........
.......... so the problem with me finding where to put six or so 45xx's would be a worry. (I seriously need to get a Loco Shed book)
I like running older legacy engines Ken. It's more than likely because I used to work in coarse scale 'O' when I was still able to do real world railway modelling.
Thanks Tanker. I would say the answer to that would be the 45xx's.
My interest with Minehead is the last two decades or so of the 19th century so no Prairies just '850' class saddle tanks or ex-B&ER BG 4-4-0 saddle tanks at the moment. Things didn't really change much along the branch until after WW1 and then a lot more houses started springing up, but that's well outside my area of interest.
With my own 1880s Cornwall Railway project stalled at the moment I am really reluctant to start doing any rebuilding work on Robert3a0's Cornish Mainline & Branches. I thought it would be likely 45xx's would be shedded at Truro since they would be really useful on that section. I would have thought 14xx's would be too small to be useful in Cornwall so the article Frank mentions in 'Steam Days' comes as a surprise.
tailight98
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83G Penzance shed also had sun sheds under its jurisdiction at Helston & St Ives so iunlikely all the allocation of 45xx tanks at Penznce at the same time.
KotangaGirl
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Yes that's right. I forgot to mention those.
That train of vans appears to include a number of my reskins Annie, so I'm delighted to see it again (and again!)
Paul
KotangaGirl
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It's certainly an interesting and very nice collection of vans Paul that are just the job for the 1950s BR era. With me testing various engines at the moment the vans have been whisked off up the hill to Cambourne so often they most probably don't know whether they're coming or going.
borderreiver
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According to the BR Database:
No. 1419 was a St Blazey loco between December 1949 and April 1961
No. 1468 at St Blazey from December 1960 to August 1961.
No. 1421 was a Laira loco between June 1958 and July 1960 - on loan to St Blazey for the summer of 1958?
Other Laira 14XX were:
No. 1408 from May 1955 to March 1958.
No. 1434 from May 1955 to July 1962.
With 1421 being caught at Lostwithiel in August 1958 while officially a Laira engine I have to consider that Laira 14XX were at least occasionally sent to work in Cornwall while remaining on Laira's books.
I am now curious about Steam Days referring to the Lostwithiel - Fowey autotrains as ultimately being the last branch in Cornwall to have them, since I have so far only identified five 14XX at least as far west as Laira and three of them were at Laira.
No. 1419 was a St Blazey loco between December 1949 and April 1961
No. 1468 at St Blazey from December 1960 to August 1961.
No. 1421 was a Laira loco between June 1958 and July 1960 - on loan to St Blazey for the summer of 1958?
Other Laira 14XX were:
No. 1408 from May 1955 to March 1958.
No. 1434 from May 1955 to July 1962.
With 1421 being caught at Lostwithiel in August 1958 while officially a Laira engine I have to consider that Laira 14XX were at least occasionally sent to work in Cornwall while remaining on Laira's books.
I am now curious about Steam Days referring to the Lostwithiel - Fowey autotrains as ultimately being the last branch in Cornwall to have them, since I have so far only identified five 14XX at least as far west as Laira and three of them were at Laira.
tailight98
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KotangaGirl
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It's certainly a mystery Frank. No sign of any stray 14xx's at Laira on this Cornwall Railway Society page. http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/laira-depot.html
Here are 3 views of 60534 Irish Elegance on Sunday diverted trains. In the first she heads south through Penshaw North Junction with a Kings Cross train via Leamside. On the right an NCB train is on the "rat run" line from Coxgreen Junction.
Irish Elegance Penshaw North 24.2.2021 by A1 Northeastern, on Flickr
Here she passes Fencehouses heading north to Newcastle via Sunderland. Fencehouses station was once so busy in the rush hour that the stationmaster complained to the LNER that passengers were in danger of falling off the platform !
Irish Elegance Fencehouses 24.2.2021 by A1 Northeastern, on Flickr
Finally she is seen at Pallion, once a heavy industrial centre, now not so much.
Irish Elegance at Pallion 25.2.2021 by A1 Northeastern, on Flickr
Irish Elegance Penshaw North 24.2.2021 by A1 Northeastern, on FlickrHere she passes Fencehouses heading north to Newcastle via Sunderland. Fencehouses station was once so busy in the rush hour that the stationmaster complained to the LNER that passengers were in danger of falling off the platform !
Irish Elegance Fencehouses 24.2.2021 by A1 Northeastern, on FlickrFinally she is seen at Pallion, once a heavy industrial centre, now not so much.
Irish Elegance at Pallion 25.2.2021 by A1 Northeastern, on FlickrKotangaGirl
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#3618. Excellent screenshots lewisner.
'Fencehouses station was once so busy in the rush hour that the stationmaster complained to the LNER that passengers were in danger of falling off the platform !' Times have certainly changed.
At risk of being told off by the mods for posting prototype information instead of pictures this is a useful website. http://shedbashuk.blogspot.com/2017/07/penzance-1946-1962.html During the years 1946-54 45xx's are in evidence as are Castles, Halls and Granges with some engines from Laira lurking about, - but surprise, surprise no Kings. :hehe:
A screenshot of No. 4545 just to keep it all seemly.
http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/uploads/7/6/8/3/7683812/2746935_orig.jpg
EDIT: A possibility for a little custom modding perhaps?
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borderreiver
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1921 - Moving Empties
Good shots Annie, Ken, Lewisner and Taillight98. T2 0-8-0 moving empty diagram S3 30 Ton steel body ironstone hoppers and P3 0-6-0 moving diagram P6 15 Ton and P7 20 Ton wooden body coal hoppers.
T2 Class 1262 climbs from the bridge above the A1 Great North Road towards Vigo. While the train is on the alignment of the Stanhope & Tyne it is not on the original trackbed. When first built the S&T, like the Beamish Wagonway crossed the Great North Road on the level at the Durham toll gate . A winding engine at Vigo hauled loaded wagons up the incline before then lowering them down the incline towards Washington. As the N.E.R. coped with escalating traffic levels later in the 19th century the opportunity was taken to replace the Vigo incline by having the line cross the Great North Road on an overbridge. The Beamish waggonway was also diverted to join the line.
The T2 and P3 cross paths between Vigo and the bridge over the Great North Road.
The P3 arrives in Stella Gill exchange sidings.
Good shots Annie, Ken, Lewisner and Taillight98. T2 0-8-0 moving empty diagram S3 30 Ton steel body ironstone hoppers and P3 0-6-0 moving diagram P6 15 Ton and P7 20 Ton wooden body coal hoppers.
T2 Class 1262 climbs from the bridge above the A1 Great North Road towards Vigo. While the train is on the alignment of the Stanhope & Tyne it is not on the original trackbed. When first built the S&T, like the Beamish Wagonway crossed the Great North Road on the level at the Durham toll gate . A winding engine at Vigo hauled loaded wagons up the incline before then lowering them down the incline towards Washington. As the N.E.R. coped with escalating traffic levels later in the 19th century the opportunity was taken to replace the Vigo incline by having the line cross the Great North Road on an overbridge. The Beamish waggonway was also diverted to join the line.
The T2 and P3 cross paths between Vigo and the bridge over the Great North Road.
The P3 arrives in Stella Gill exchange sidings.
KotangaGirl
Pre-Grouping Railways Nut
#3620. Your first screenshot really appeals to me for some reason Frank.
Gosh! An ex-Bristol & Exeter engine on the Falmouth branch. I don't have any South Devon Railway engines at the moment so the B&ER 4-4-0ST will have to do for now. I've just moved my 1880s Cornwall Railway route over to TS2019 and I now have about 200,000 acres of awful to try and fix. The line itself, the viaducts and tunnels are all fine, - it's just the scenery that's trashed.
Gosh! An ex-Bristol & Exeter engine on the Falmouth branch. I don't have any South Devon Railway engines at the moment so the B&ER 4-4-0ST will have to do for now. I've just moved my 1880s Cornwall Railway route over to TS2019 and I now have about 200,000 acres of awful to try and fix. The line itself, the viaducts and tunnels are all fine, - it's just the scenery that's trashed.
