Hmmm, let me rephrase the question
Will we be able to go back and forth between S1 and S2 once a route has HD Terrain? If I convert or create a route with 3D Terrain, can I still open it in S1 to perform certain functions?
Thanks
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HD Terrain Discussion Thread
- Thread starter Tony_Hilliam
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Hmmm, let me rephrase the question
Will we be able to go back and forth between S1 and S2 once a route has HD Terrain? If I convert or create a route with 3D Terrain, can I still open it in S1 to perform certain functions?
Thanks
capdiamont
Active member
I'm not interested in this feature , so i cancelled my yearly Trainz Plus Gold membership .
I am not understanding this. You don’t have to use it when creating routes and if you do create routes with it, it makes things easier to place. Sounds like it will be coming to Trainz 22, which you do have in your timeline, which I think is good as it allows retail users to enjoy the routes created with this. I’m all for this.
lackoo11111
Member
I am not understanding this. You don’t have to use it when creating routes and if you do create routes with it, it makes things easier to place. Sounds like it will be coming to Trainz 22, which you do have in your timeline, which I think is good as it allows retail users to enjoy the routes created with this. I’m all for this.
I got tired of being N3V's guinea pig since the past years . I just don't trust in them anymore .
Hmmm, let me rephrase the question
Will we be able to go back and forth between S1 and S2 once a route has HD Terrain? If I convert or create a route with 3D Terrain, can I still open it in S1 to perform certain functions?
Thanks
OK, fair question, I'll assume that since the routes can be run in TRS22 which lacks S2.0 that the route format will work in both Surveyors at least as far as being visible. Tony seems to hint that development is still at the stage of testing the conversion of routes to this format. It is very possible that the modification of tools in S2.0 to edit the HD terrain is still a Work In Progress. I use E-onSoftware Vue which uses tessellated ground planes for creating hi-rez terrains. They render pretty quickly and look great but are not the easiest object to edit with Vue's tools. I'm interested in seeing what the Brew Crew come up with to edit these terrains.
This development is so far the only thing that would tempt me to use 2022 and subscribe , I've bought 2022 , with no bells or whistles , but its sitting there waiting for me to have a good reason to use it, i just bought it to support NV3 and to take advantage of a free 30 day FCT as mine has expired..
RailRoadEngineer
Member
+1
I am eager to know when we will be able to import DEM.
I am eager to know when we will be able to import DEM.
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Dinorius_Redundicus
kuid 68213
... is the ground going to be stretched vertically (textures projected vertically down) or will the textures be projected to the normal of the formed tesselation?
Important question, buried in the avalanche.
I haven't seen any answers so far.
Will there be some method for importing DEMs - either natively or by using a 3rd-party program?
Another +1 here too. This is a such an important requirement for terrain creation. Needs to support Lidar data as well.
If I had to guess I would say that since Tony said that overhangs still will not be possible that textures will still be stretched but given that the resolution is so high I think the stretching will be much less noticeable. Now in Vue, the tessellated terrains have a built in LOD system whereby terrain close to the camera is very high resolution but further away the number of triangles drop off sharply. Of course, in Vue you are using procedural textures rather than textures based on images. I have never seen any stretching of textures in Vue. Of course, Vue is a highly sophisticated program meant to do one thing, create highly realistic scenery for 3D animations and is no way near real time. Images can take hours to render per frame.
Dinorius_Redundicus
kuid 68213
I don’t think you can assume a high resolution grid will reduce texture stretching. Hi-res ground would allow gradients to get even closer to true vertical, so if the texture is still projected vertically down, it would be even more stretched, not less. Let us hear the official response, not guesses.
Dinorius_Redundicus
kuid 68213
Will the snowline bug in TANE, TRS19/22 be fixed in HD terrain?
This issue came up in another thread, but I will add it here, so it's not ignored.
There has been a bug in the way seasonal groundtextures respond to the snowline setting, going back as far as T:ANE (2015?) I think. Will it finally be fixed with the advent of the high-definition terrain grid?
By that I mean, will groundtextures once again obey the season-selector code in the same way that objects have always done and no longer treat the snowline height as if it is always zero, regardless of the value set in the Environment panel?
This issue came up in another thread, but I will add it here, so it's not ignored.
There has been a bug in the way seasonal groundtextures respond to the snowline setting, going back as far as T:ANE (2015?) I think. Will it finally be fixed with the advent of the high-definition terrain grid?
By that I mean, will groundtextures once again obey the season-selector code in the same way that objects have always done and no longer treat the snowline height as if it is always zero, regardless of the value set in the Environment panel?
I don’t think you can assume a high resolution grid will reduce texture stretching. Hi-res ground would allow gradients to get even closer to true vertical, so if the texture is still projected vertically down, it would be even more stretched, not less. Let us hear the official response, not guesses.
If HD terrain is still using planar projection then I will be very disappointed. But the sample images don't seem to support your guessing that it does.
Edit: Found this on the official HD Terrain page.
- Good-bye Artifacts
Smooth Diagonal Texturing means you can avoid those square looking ground textures.
High Resolution Blends avoids blurry transparent ground texture blends.
Cliffs / Cuttings / Embankments benefit from increased polygons to avoid unrealistic terrain and no more parallax artifacts on acute camera angles!
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Will anything have to be changed when creating a route via TransDEM? Is the extra height data interpolated between known points or is there actually extra data that is being used? If so where do I get that data? I was about to start a new mountain based route and this HD terrain will be a game changer that will postpone that route. As long as I don't have to manually adjust any height values, this will be just wow.
capdiamont
Active member
TransDEM will have to be updated to create more height points in ground files. The DEMs that TransDEM uses, already has enough resolution.Will anything have to be changed when creating a route via TransDEM? Is the extra height data interpolated between known points or is there actually extra data that is being used? If so where do I get that data? I was about to start a new mountain based route and this HD terrain will be a game changer that will postpone that route. As long as I don't have to manually adjust any height values, this will be just wow.
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