Thank you, Malc, I would never have found them in a month of Sundays without your appreciated help. Unfortunately the likes of TS2009, 10 or 12 which are listed in my digital downloads and I have downloaded previously, although originally purchased on disk, are not included. Not the end of the world as I still have a library of Trainz disks but I was hoping to download a definitive build and not have to load endless patches. Peter