Prod Passengers 2020

Hello!


I have a somewhat strange problem with the "Prod Passengers 2020" <kuid:-25:1354>. They seem to be an update of the Prod Passengers 2012.


Now I wanted to upload something to the DLS and the following error is displayed:


Download Station - Content Upload Failed
"that are not builtin and not available on the Download Station (<kuid:-25:1354>)".


I have a clean Trainz 19 Platinum version (build 114800) incl. DLCs.


Everything works so far... but these "Prod Passengers 2020" are causing problems.
Where do these passengers come from? They are listed under "Packaged" and I cannot delete them.


How can it be that Auran content is updated but not recognised by her own system? Shouldn't you first get to grips with such errors and fix them instead of releasing a new Trainz version?

Pretty sure there is a thread on here somewhere that mentions this and it's been reported.

Had a look and it's a TRS22 builtin at TB 4.8 and has obsoleted all the others.


Similar thing happened a few years back where an update had been used in DLC and messed up passengers for everyone who didn't have it.

It seems to have arrived with the TRS22 version of Liskeard to Looe route again TB 4.8

There is another problem with Prod passengers 2020. It replaces passengers over all stations and all carriages at a stroke and is totally inappropriate for the steam or earliy diesel age, let alone the Edwardian or Victorian eras. Passengers and drivers are, after all, the only human elements in simulations and are thus as important as period buildings, locomotives or rolling stock..

Would it be possible in TRS19 Platinum updates and the launch version of TRS22 to give users an option to employ the better suited Prop passengers 2012 or other custom sets from developers? It seems that this one kuid controls all passengers and obsoletes all past kuids, so, as with Road traffic in 'Regions', could we not have a choice for each route (or even session)? The alternative is to be forced to edit and reload every station and every carriage in every application, and this is not possible with many still tied to payware.

This option if advertised would make future Trainz more realistic and therefore more desirable to customers. In the present TRS22 Beta passengers are completely wrong for simulations such as Settle and Carlisle, ECML and many more otherwise excellent Trainz products. Please N3V, consider this suggestion, or your own or other's better solutions, as ways to resolve the problem in future Betas and public builds.

Keep Trainz Great! (pardon the jingoism)

ingha

About 2 year ago the dutch community suggested a new passenger product


Our current passenger product is still the one from TRS2004SP2
with slight modifications:
-not animated
-no night mode meshes
-only caucasian
-just a bit too coarse to match the current quality of the game
-too many hats not used world wide
-no texture sharing or texture maps or lods


The region asset we have, would be perfect to choose between passengers
currently it has:
-carz
-groundtexture
-junction lever
-add passenger product


We see many people use the animated people from neoklai, even in DLC's they are used
and unwanted turned into payware at times. Then there are stolen and reskinned ones
uploaded to the DLS with a slightly different name
Why not give neoklai 2month salaries and produce us a working passenger product


Or it can be done like speedtrees, let a specialistic company produce them
it would really lift this game and I would pay extra for it

As well made as the new 2020 Passenger set is it's also a confounded nuisance to anyone who isn't modelling the modern error. At least the old 2012 set didn't jar too much in earlier eras, but this new set certainly does. I know this opinion of mine will not be popular, but I don't like the skanky poses of some of the younger women passengers and the way that they are dressed. Youngsters play Trainz as well as adults and I don't think the new figures are at all appropriate in that regard.

It seems to have arrived with the TRS22 version of Liskeard to Looe route

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So is that how people dress in Liskeard is it? Looks more like New York to me.

If the regions could contain a reference to a passenger product.

A UK-1920s region, for example, could contain not only vehicles but also a passenger set for the time period.

This could be the same for USA, Australia, or wherever else in the world.

JCitron said:

If the regions could contain a reference to a passenger product.

A UK-1920s region, for example, could contain not only vehicles but also a passenger set for the time period.

This could be the same for USA, Australia, or wherever else in the world.

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Now that would be a very good idea John.

Thank you for your answers.

This basically means for me now that I can no longer upload anything to the DLS.
Since everything where the "Prod Passengers 2020" is accessed, is then not recognised by the control system.


I cannot delete the Prod Passengers 2020. But I could deactivate it, but then it does not revert to the 2012 version,
but everything is displayed without passengers and therefore does not work correctly.

It will have to be fixed, however N3V are still on their holiday break until the 10th.

G.M. said:

The region asset we have, would be perfect to choose between passengers
currently it has:
-carz
-groundtexture
-junction lever
-add passenger product

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yes please! Nice suggestion!

Hi all,

Sorry to bump an old thread, but I haven't had much luck with other search results on the forum or online so it's worth a shot.

I updated from TRS19+ SP3 (build 111951) to TRS19+ SP5 HF1 (build 117009) and my CM is showing that the "prod passengers 2020" (kuid:-25:1487) is an unknown asset but required by several routes, most of which are packaged.

Is this something that anyone has managed to fix? Am I missing something?

Cheers,

PLP

Did you try a right-click on the missing asset to see if it would download? It will do that sometimes.

Hi,

Yes I did, but because the location is 'Unknown' it comes up with an error saying it can't download it.

Not to worry, I'm focussing on moving all my content across to TRS22 at the moment so we'll see if I have any more luck with that.

Cheers,

PLP

PortLineParker said:

Hi all,

Sorry to bump an old thread, but I haven't had much luck with other search results on the forum or online so it's worth a shot.

I updated from TRS19+ SP3 (build 111951) to TRS19+ SP5 HF1 (build 117009) and my CM is showing that the "prod passengers 2020" (kuid:-25:1487) is an unknown asset but required by several routes, most of which are packaged.

Is this something that anyone has managed to fix? Am I missing something?

Cheers,

PLP

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It's the very modern day 'New York' passenger set which is presently replacing all Auran passenger sets. I hate it and it's a confounded nuisance.
The best way to deal with it is to clone the old TS2012 passenger set, copy the folder out to the desktop and give it the same KUID number as "prod passengers 2020"; Then you drag the folder into CM, do the save edits thing and problem solved.

I'm also disliking these new passengers, and their dress style, as KotangaGirl mentioned, and would rather go back to the old ones.

Ah I rather like them, they look far more realistic than the older ones, although I absolutely understand that anyone modelling a steam era route would want the older models.

For me, the 2020 version works perfectly as I am modelling a heritage railway so it rather fits - there's something about the juxtaposition of modern people and amenities mixed in with steam that just appeals to me.

Anyway, I've migrated across to TRS22 now so it looks as if I'll be leaving SP5. Thanks anyway for your suggestions.

Cheers,

PLP

See? Different strokes for different folks. Agree with G.M. that we or N3V should actively encourage a competent creator to create a set of new, region and era-specific Passenger (Products) and perhaps also Drivers, to accommodate the broad range of needs/ demands here.
Suggest distinctive Pre-1900s; 1910s to 1930s, 40s (more uniforms), 50s to 60s, 80s to 90s, and current modern era, all with greater diversity.

Best option would be if we had the freedom to choose the passengers set(product)
the Region asset is the easiest place to do that, currently:
-location,-default junction lever,-which cars,-which grid texture


add the passengers product and we can make FI:
Region UK50, it has a basic grid, cars and persons from the 50's and an old junction lever
Region NL2022, it has my precision grid, modern cars, multiculti persons and a modern electric junction lever


The new passengers 2020 are ok-ish, but they are totally dark at night and not enough diversity to my liking
so I made my own product, it has 17 more meshes and all have a little self-illumination
added benefit, I have it also in TRS19 100240

PC_Ace said:

See? Different strokes for different folks. Agree with G.M. that we or N3V should actively encourage a competent creator to create a set of new, region and era-specific Passenger (Products) and perhaps also Drivers, to accommodate the broad range of needs/ demands here.
Suggest distinctive Pre-1900s; 1910s to 1930s, 40s (more uniforms), 50s to 60s, 80s to 90s, and current modern era, all with greater diversity.

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This would be a great direction to travel. Implement it somehow within the Edit Route interface in a drop down. Maybe like this here;



It could then just be a dropdown that looks for a 'pass' kind kuid, like a region file. (sorry for the plug, but this is what I'm working on)

It would have to be in the region file its self like the default texture and traffic carz used. Since 99% of the passenger rolling stock uses the default passengers product it would tell the product what passengers to load. You cant have a completely different kuid products or the cars wont load right. A good example of this is the old west passengers which are a different kuid and only work on the stations and cars set up to have them.