ILIOSIN shared these photos of a new class 11 for trainz. All of his public work can be found here (https://www.artstation.com/ilios). Looks incredible.
Class 11 Confirmed
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The Class-11 has a well placed nice touch. The paint seems to suffer from engine heat which I would agree with if the doors are a bit lighter than the other metal surfaces of the engine. It is things like that which showcase the abilities of an artist to capture subtle realities. You might also notice ghost like faces in that area as well. I would, however, expect the interconnecting rods on the wheel to be less than perfect. Especially where they are located so close to the ground. But, perhaps they were recently replaced.
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Are these going to be new DLC for Trainz? If so, who commissioned them and on what basis? (ie. was there any market research as to what new models British Trainzers might actually want?) The class 11 looks very nice, but it is completely niche and has no use on the vast majority of UK routes! Meanwhile, we desperately need new models of the class 25 (workhorse of the London Midland Region) and class 20 (workhorse of the Eastern Region). Could N3V possibly commission those from gifted creators like ILIOSIN? I'd certainly pay for them!
Paul
Paul
Thinking about this further. N3V are entirely within their rights to commission a shunter if they want one. But why the class 11 and not the class 08? We could certainly do with a new 08 - the freeware version for which reskin versions are available on the DLS is about 20 years old and there was a payware version that has disappeared into the mists of time. As the 08 is based on the class 11, could it not be tweaked to give us a class of 996 locos, some of which are still in use, rather than a class of 106 all of which were withdrawn by 1972?
Paul
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They are, and ILIOSIN is already under contract from N3V to make this, the class 47, and class 43, and probably others btw (https://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?163890-Liskeard-amp-Llooe-Route-BR-Mk1-Coaches-Creator&p=1875523#:~:text=Again%20under%20contract%20to%20N3V) for TRS2022. It appears to be part of N3V's overhaul of the stock 10 years old assets. He says in the description, "This is one of my works for N3V Games, for Trainz Railroad Simulator 2019", so these are all made under N3V contract. Its already been confirmed that the brand new HST and Tornado are TRS2022 DLC, so I can imagine this, plus many others, are coming as well (not all of ILIOSINS work is public yet, and he said in another comment "I have been busy all these 9 months, now I will try to upload some of the work that was done during this time!"). Tony also confirmed that there would be several paint schemes (class 47, etc) of some of the locos.
ILIOSIN, btw is the author of the HST, Class 47, and Tornado. He shared some images of those as well.
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According to dundun92, this stuff has been commissioned by N3V and ILIOSIN is working under contract. So I repeat - what market research was done to underpin the commissioning of these models and what assessment was made of need and demand from the UK Trainz community for these models?
Thanks for the response. There's no question these are beautifully executed models, but, in this form, they have very little application in UK Trainz routes:
- Class 11 - all withdrawn by 1972;
- WCR maroon class 47 - only of use on heritage railtours in the 21st Century;
- Tornado - a one-off loco only of use with heritage railtours post 2008.
- Class 08 shunter - in green, blue, sector and privatisation liveries - the most numerous class of BR diesel in use from the 1950s to today;
- Class 47 - same liveries as above - the ubiquitous standard class mixed traffic diesel in the UK from the '60s to the '00s;
- Peppercorn Class A1 Pacifics - the post-war race-horses of the East Coast Mainline.
The issue here is not the model building (which is excellent), it's N3V's business model (opaque, Byzantine and not very commerical!) For example, why is this stuff being bundled with TRS22 and not made available as stand alone DLC? That does not maximise revenue! (ie. people will pay for the platform and then pay again for rolling stock DLC). If this was another SIM, content of this quality would be offered in a variety of DLC packs - 'class 47, 1960s'; 'class 47 - 1970s'; 'class 47 - 1980s' etc. 'Mk1 Carmine and Cream'; 'Mk1 Maroon'; 'Mk1 Blue and Grey'; 'Mk1 sectors'; 'Mk1 privatisation' etc. That's the way to maximise profits and keep the company going (and god knows, I say this as a life-long socialist!)
Come on N3V, you've got a very special model builder here in ILIOSIN, why not reach out to the UK Trainz community about the DLC we'd actually like to buy? (and I say that knowing that my colleagues on https://forum.british-trainz.co.uk/ may take a very different view about desired DLC than myself!)
Paul
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2995Valliant
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The Mk1's are available with the TRS22 Beta Paul. A great deal of effort has gone into modelling them, with many accurately observed small details - which only makes it even more frustrating that the windows are out of shape......
Again they currently only come in WCRC branded maroon, so of very limited use, and only a BSK, TSO and FO at the moment so without catering vehicles you can't even make an accurate railtour consist (never mind a Mk 2 brake to put on each end!).
The 47 is very well modelled though, and the cab is beautiful. The engine sound is the existing one, which IMHO lacks enough thrash under load. The hornsound is build 1.3 and doesn't sound like any 47 I've ever heard - more like a DMU I suspect.
Again they currently only come in WCRC branded maroon, so of very limited use, and only a BSK, TSO and FO at the moment so without catering vehicles you can't even make an accurate railtour consist (never mind a Mk 2 brake to put on each end!).
The 47 is very well modelled though, and the cab is beautiful. The engine sound is the existing one, which IMHO lacks enough thrash under load. The hornsound is build 1.3 and doesn't sound like any 47 I've ever heard - more like a DMU I suspect.
Actually, we are getting new MK1 coaches, not just the red WCR ones, but also others: https://forums.auran.com/trainz/sho...-BR-Mk1-Coaches-Creator&p=1875523#post1875523
Tony also did say that there would be several liveries of the class 47, and presumably others: https://forums.auran.com/trainz/sho...Next-Generation-Content&p=1821104#post1821104
And as I said earlier, the Tornado and HST are both payware DLC. They are not bundled with TRS2022 as far as I know.
Tony also did say that there would be several liveries of the class 47, and presumably others: https://forums.auran.com/trainz/sho...Next-Generation-Content&p=1821104#post1821104
And as I said earlier, the Tornado and HST are both payware DLC. They are not bundled with TRS2022 as far as I know.
ILIOSIN said on all three models that this was being made for N3V, and Rob also mentioned that his work on the MK1's was made under N3V contract as well: https://forums.auran.com/trainz/sho...-BR-Mk1-Coaches-Creator&p=1875133#post1875133, And the Tornado on content manager is authored by both "auran" and "iliosin". And ILIOSIN is Russian, so I really don't see why he would be interested in putting hundreds of hours of work on foreign locomotives. These most certainly are all under contract, and I cant wait to see what else he is making (As he shared the class 11 a little over a month ago).
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Thanks Anthony. I hadn't picked-up on the issue of the Mk1 windows, but now you mention it, and having looked more closely, you're quite right - they're far too square! Had N3V actually worked with the UK Trainz community - and possibly offered some beta testing - this could have been picked-up while the models were under development. It's extremely frustrating!
With respect, I think you're missing my point: my question is, if he's working under contract, why aren't N3V contracting him to create models that are actually needed and in demand for UK Trainz routes, rather than niche models that have no wide application? However, I do agree with you: I can't wait to see what else he is making - perhaps it'll be stuff we actually want to buy?
Paul
That, I don't know unfortunately.
All Tony said in response to your complaint about niche assets (which I quoted in the last post), was that they were being custom built for N3V. As for contracted creators, Tony didn't directly answer that question.
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I’ve not seen the new Mark 1s up close yet, but is it possible they have been modelled using the original construction drawings which had square window corners? This detail led to the early-build coaches rusting out in double-quick time, leading to the window corners being changed to the rounded type on later builds, which all the surviving examples have.
Rounded Window corners. They have West Coast Railways logo on them.
I'm guessing here that the contracted stuff is possibly for sessions for new routes, rather than any wish list!
2995Valliant
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Yep, they've modelled the separate frame either by eye, or more likely from an inaccurate drawing.
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Agree a Class 08 or 09 (latter 25 MPH) would have been more useable.
We really need some reworked classic DMU's, too. The recent freeware 108 fills a bit of a gap but needs a nice cab and interior.
I would pay (yes I'd actually buy Trainz content) for a decent Class 120 Swindon Cross Country or something like a Class 104. Or a nice Hampshire Thumper, Class 205.
We really need some reworked classic DMU's, too. The recent freeware 108 fills a bit of a gap but needs a nice cab and interior.
I would pay (yes I'd actually buy Trainz content) for a decent Class 120 Swindon Cross Country or something like a Class 104. Or a nice Hampshire Thumper, Class 205.
Yes those corners do look rather sharp, even for the original style windows. These are the only known Mk1s still with early windows - in Standish, Michigan.
Riding By Rail by fotoman91, on Flickr
British Railways Passenger Car by Brandon Bartoszek, on Flickr
Riding By Rail by fotoman91, on FlickrBritish Railways Passenger Car by Brandon Bartoszek, on FlickrI agree, but I honestly don't care exactly which type it is. I just want high quality content to add to my collection and run on my fictional routes. Which is why I'm excited for the new HST, a perfect mainline locomotive, and the Tornado, a beautiful excursion train. The class 11 will fill the gap in the yard and will be a wonderful shunter.
2995Valliant
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We're straying well off topic now - but the obvious questions are "How?" and "Why"!
And for anyone who doesn't know, the MK1's are also ILIOSIN's work. This is everything contracted he has uploaded to the DLS so far. Still awaiting the class 43,11, and whatever else he's making.
We also got a glimpse of that 43 on his cover photo (We also got a brief look at it in the TRS2022 trailer and in the Liskeard to Looe trailer):
We also got a glimpse of that 43 on his cover photo (We also got a brief look at it in the TRS2022 trailer and in the Liskeard to Looe trailer):
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2995Valliant
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And that's the difference between those who "want to play with pretty things" and miserable gits like me who's trying to recreate an accurate representation of a now passed era that I can still remember vividly. The good news for N3V is that they are probably catering for the majority so they've got their marketing right which is good news for us as we all want them to succeed and continue! In the case of the Class 11 vs an 08 even a good proportion of UK enthusiasts probably couldn't tell them apart anyway.