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    Quote Originally Posted by codeman2000 View Post
    lord please be a track radius tool (see dovetails railworks editor for context)

    making curves in this game always drives me nuts
    Yes, definitely. I HATE curve-making in routes. You end up with wacky "S" curves and squiggly lines all over the place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_Hilliam View Post
    The overall feeling I get here from some of the negative comments is “we want more”. But I don’t see any “and were willing to pay for making it happen”.

    We’d love to implement every suggestion sooner rather than later. With 10 times more staff we’d be at least 5 times faster at implementing them. If all our regular Trainz users “invested” a few $ a week as Gold Class members we’d get things done much much quicker.

    As it stands, we do as much as we can with what we’ve got. The option for us to do more rests with you guys.

    (The alternative is to stick with what you’ve got - no extra charge).
    Tony:

    Suggestion: Perhaps for Surveyor 3.0 you might want to launch a Kickstarter campaign to raise the needed capital to implement some of the suggestions here.

    Being primarily a route designer I don't operate much in TRS19. I do however use Surveyor a lot. Newbies will tend to use routes that come with TRS19 or from the DLS until such time as they feel comfortable enough to try making a route of their own. That is how I started many years ago. Of course Surveyor is also handy for local customizing of a downloaded route for your own use.

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    * Scrapbooks are basically "clipboards" containing your copied items.
    They can be named, saved and therefore used in other routes
    Do these have/get a kuid? and can be shared?, saved as cdp?
    This would make it like a block in AutoCAD or like a consist but then not for vehicles alone but all kinds of assets
    Do they have fixed layer info?
    Can parts of a scrapbook be on different layers?
    can they be exploded/ungrouped once placed elsewhere?

    it would be Trainzchanging :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSGSapper View Post
    Tony:

    Suggestion: Perhaps for Surveyor 3.0 you might want to launch a Kickstarter campaign to raise the needed capital to implement some of the suggestions here.

    Being primarily a route designer I don't operate much in TRS19. I do however use Surveyor a lot. Newbies will tend to use routes that come with TRS19 or from the DLS until such time as they feel comfortable enough to try making a route of their own. That is how I started many years ago. Of course Surveyor is also handy for local customizing of a downloaded route for your own use.

    Bob
    The point is though, the other sims - MSTS/OR and the new TSRE editor and of course DTG TS had many of these features as standard from the get-go. Auran and now N3V had 20 years to refine Surveyor and yet here we still are with an overhaul which, yes, is going to make some things easier but again skirts around the core functionality which could make things so much better. I doubt a Kickstarter would work again after all the baggage that came with the one for TANE, the development budget should come from ongoing sales and subscriptions. And the TSRE editor for MSTS/Open Rails has been developed essentially by one guy in his spare time and is made available as freeware. I suspect it is more the old code that is holding things back rather than the willingness or ability to implement the better features.
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    I so agree with you Bob. The great joy for me in Trainz is constructing landscapes and panorama's.

    Tony, you're a cheeky mare. Some of us do pay for gold - and think the price tag is just edging up to be too expensive for the benefits obtained.

    I like Bob's idea of a Surveyor 3 with a little bit of crowd funding but I suspect you've probably reached your limits on that one so trhat's not likely.

    Why not stop with the scatter gun approach and try some targeted changes.

    A simple approach might be 3 x environmental improvements, 3 x technical improvements and perhaps a couple of cosmetics as well- all maybe built on the back of Surveyor 2.

    The strategists and policy twonks at N3v MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER IF THAT WOULD be possible via a survey. Just reading through this thread gives you a strong clue on what interests our punters.

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    We have been informed were getting Surveyor 2 with here's a peek of what's in it.

    Just curious who decides on what's being added/updated and how is that decision made

    Also stated " Firstly, this update is about "tools" and not things like the terrain, environment etc."

    Can we expect an update for " tools " used to create and manipulate the terrain all these new tools are centered around ?



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    big_b perhaps you've misunderstood my post. Our current terrain is a 5m grid divided into triangles. This limits where the terrain can be manipulated (i.e. the corners of those triangles).

    The tools in S20 allow you to manipulate the terrain just as you do with the current height up/down and set height plus there will be new options.

    In terms of decision processes, it's a bit like renovating a house. "Which area needs the most work most urgently."

    Something along the lines of "check the list of 1,000 things that we know would help the product/people are asking for, try to determine which is the "best" thing to work on."

    This includes balancing what we think is the next most important thing to update, how long will that take, what will be the benefits (to both users and sales), can it be done in a timely manner and does it break anything? Is there anything that is equally important with bigger benefits? Is there else anything quick and easy that has benefits?"

    So things like a new terrain system (~6 months and potentially breaking compatibility) either get ruled out or moved down the list.

    We've been working on these tools for almost a year now and we're pretty confident people are going to love them. It won't be that long before we can share more detail and then get external testers involved.
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    Just picking up on Tony's point, I have now started using the 5m grid in key areas much more.

    Can anyone throw some light on how much difference the 5m grid makes rather than using the 10m grid exclusively in terms of weighting on FPS. It must be quite important if it is a FPS killer.

    Many thanks

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    Thanks for the response Tony on how things work in deciding what's happening and when it actually began.

    Regarding the 5mtr grid I've been using it since it first came out.
    Basically if I can't alter terrain enough near the track it is changed to 5mtr only where I need it to get the terrain as I want it
    as for FPS I've really never noticed any difference assets used seem to cause more problems.



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    The 5m grid is takes up 4x more storage than the 10m grid. While it does increase poly count, it is only one of the many contributors to overall scene poly count so whether you hit any performance bottlenecks or not depends very much on the route.
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    @Tony_Hilliam - Dear Tony suggest you make a new version Trs21 with Surveyor 2.0 and charge money for this new version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morten16c View Post
    @Tony_Hilliam - Dear Tony suggest you make a new version Trs21 with Surveyor 2.0 and charge money for this new version.
    That's the plan - more likely TRS22. It will also depend upon how long it takes to polish everything, how well it is received by Trainz Plus and Gold Class members, and how many other features we may decide to add prior to a new Trainz release.
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    Thanks for your responses.

    I was going to experiment and I have divided my grid into "Hi Res" and "Lo Res " areas and will proceed with caution
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    Surveyor 2.0 should come with additional options to -
    a. a tool to measure length of spline
    b. a tool to make parallel tracks using splines.

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    I hope TRS22 comes with all those features, which gold class members have enjoyed with TRS2019.

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