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    Very true however he has subsequently said,
    I'm holding off on the whole notion of a gaming PC for a while
    He can upgrade the GPU later, assuming prices return to more normal levels, they may not for some time though given the shortage of silicon, delivery and supply issues and Covid.
    2070 and 1080TI are roughly equivalent depending on who's benchmarks you look at, it swings either way.
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    And a new 1080ti is same price: $800US and up.

    One other caution to the OP: watch buying from Chinese sites and other sites where the price seems really cheap: they take lesser cards and reprogram to identify as better cards even though they are not.

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    Now, it boils down to what is in my budget. I now realize I'm not going to max Trainz out on the cheap. I might have to lower the draw distance. I might have to cut back on tree detail. I basically want smooth-moving trains. I want to try a higher anti-aliasing setting and shadows anyway. I need a processor and memory upgrade anyway. That old AMD Athlon II gets taxed by Google Chrome and even MS Edge. I'm going to 16 GB RAM. 8 GB memory no longer cuts it anymore even for browsing and video streaming. With a new Ryzen CPU comes a new mobo and I went to a new 650 W PSU to boot. Using the automobile analogy, basically I'm pulling out "the stock 4 banger" in my computer chassis and putting in "a non-muscle-car V-8", as it were. The spendy GPU is what amounts to "a 4-barrel Holley, headers and a turbocharger" which is out of my budget now still.

    12 years ago, my home-office-grade computer was about $900 to build (including the new Windows 7 license) way back then with a $40 home-office-grade GPU. Now, 12 years later, I'm spending another $900 to soup it up some.
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    I'm buying everything from amazon.com. I replaced my motherboard in 2018 and did not need to buy a new Windows 7 license. I have the Windows 7 OEM disk with product key. How does Microsoft KNOW if you changed your CPU?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonMyrlennBailey View Post
    I'm buying everything from amazon.com. I replaced my motherboard in 2018 and did not need to buy a new Windows 7 license. I have the Windows 7 OEM disk with product key. How does Microsoft KNOW if you changed your CPU?

    When you activate the license it sends back information that identifies the CPU, motherboard etc. Each component is weighted with points and if so many points change then you need a new license. The license number on your disk has probably been registered. I picked up a refurbished PC from Newegg once that was fine except the license number had already been registered on a different machine. Microsoft's advice was return it to Newegg.

    Cheerio John

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnwhelan View Post
    When you activate the license it sends back information that identifies the CPU, motherboard etc. Each component is weighted with points and if so many points change then you need a new license. The license number on your disk has probably been registered. I picked up a refurbished PC from Newegg once that was fine except the license number had already been registered on a different machine. Microsoft's advice was return it to Newegg.

    Cheerio John
    That also happened to my brother-in-law a few months ago. He ended up purchasing a new copy of Windows 10 instead of upgrading off the install.
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    I did change my mobo back in 2018, but kept the same CPU. I was then able to activate Windows 7 with original OEM product key. This time around, I will be changing both the CPU and mobo. Again, I have an OEM Windows 7 disk and it's the same one since late 2009.
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    I already ordered this:

    Amazon.com: ZOTAC GAMING GeForce GTX 1650 OC 4GB GDDR6 128-bit Gaming Graphics Card, Super Compact, ZT-T16520F-10L: Computers & Accessories

    I can return by saying it failed to meet my performance expectations. Hopefully, I will get free return shipping and a full refund.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dundun92 View Post
    My recommendation right now would be to get a 1660 Super for $250, which is between a 1060 and 1070 (https://www.microcenter.com/product/...op+%28Batch%29)
    Or wait and get a 3060ti for $400 (https://www.bestbuy.com/site/nvidia-...&skuId=6439402). But I can tell you right now you will regret that 1650, as its comparable to the 1050ti (a somewhat poor gpu). If you're looking for smooth gameplay with maxed out settings, you're probably going to need something better than the current upgrade: https://forums.auran.com/trainz/show...55#post1880555

    I've also had my 1060 for 2.5 years, overclocked all the time, with no issues.
    That 1660 Super is out of stock. Amazon.com has a USED one listed for $500!! I won't pay an arm and a leg for no used card!!

    So that Zotac 1650 I have on order for now is the best new card that is actually now available for the under-$300 price. It's gotta still be a heap better than that 1 GB XFX GPU I now have that I paid $105 in 2013 as a "mid-grade gaming card" back then.
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    Fine. Not going to press you, but whether you like it or not, my advice still is to wait for a 3060ti, which is the same price and so much better!

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    Put bluntly just about anything is going to be an improvement on his current card!
    If I read the posts correctly he's looking at TANE not TRS19, the GTX 1650 which is actually pretty close GTX970 , 3649 to 3659 on Passmark and the 970 works on TANE and TRS19, as I have one here that I used to use and the 1050 is better than the venerable 780TI that many used on TANE at the beginning. So long as he's not running a high resolution, it should be usable if you use the right settings, Zotac cards are normally among the higher performing cards, my Zotac 970 and 980TI are.

    Cost wise currently 3060s over here are anything between £500 and £800, that's roughly $690 to $1111, prices are slowly creeping down though, probably as people won't pay over inflated prices.
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    I already paid for and received this Zotac 1650. Still waiting on my SSD and Ryzen 5 to do the PC rebuild. I can do without Render Behind Camera and draw distances over 2,000 feet to boot. I'm looking for the smoothest possible train animation. What does anti-aliasing do for graphics quality?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonMyrlennBailey View Post
    I already paid for and received this Zotac 1650. Still waiting on my SSD and Ryzen 5 to do the PC rebuild. I can do without Render Behind Camera and draw distances over 2,000 feet to boot. I'm looking for the smoothest possible train animation. What does anti-aliasing do for graphics quality?

    Basically it removes jagged edges that you can get when objects are rendered, in reality there probably isn't much difference between 4 and 8.
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    Good thing I got myself a prebuilt before this GPU inflation business....

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    I still use a venerable 2009 athlon II 250 with a GTX 750Ti to run TS12, TANE, and TRS19, which allows me a very acceptable 30 fps at good general quality on 1920 x 1080.
    Considering that my retirement is approaching, it seems time to renew the team a bit. The possibilities today are on the side of Ryzen 5600g (and quite possibly without dedicated video).
    Benchmarks seem very good for both cpu and IG (Vega 7), respect -say- to i7 11700(UHD 750) (Today priced here U$ 425 and U$ 630 respectively)
    Has anyone else tried Ryzen 5600g?

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