Windows 11 is coming: What does it mean for Trainz?

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I agree, that's BS to force people to upgrade in order to support their new OS. The fact that Microsoft can come up with, what seems to be reluctance, a 'lesser version' to run on older hardware is absurd.

Anyway, thanks Malc. At least now I know what needs to be done. I need the TPM module for my current motherboard. Why didn't the MS tool say that in the first place instead of just saying nope?

They did have TPM modules on Amazon over here earlier, they are all now out of stock! Same with Scan Computing in the UK, had them this morning, now all on pre-order!

I wouldn't hang around John!
 
They did have TPM modules on Amazon over here earlier, they are all now out of stock! Same with Scan Computing in the UK, had them this morning, now all on pre-order!

I wouldn't hang around John!

I saw that as well. I never knew I would need one until last night, well actually at 2:30 am this morning. I have to get mine from MSI for my motherboard so I'll see where they see those, and I think I can get it direct.
 
I saw that as well. I never knew I would need one until last night, well actually at 2:30 am this morning. I have to get mine from MSI for my motherboard so I'll see where they see those, and I think I can get it direct.

The Scalpers are on to this already apparently $99 on one site for an $8 module, the world has gone mad again....

The alternative checker has had an update since I last posted with a bit more info on it. https://github.com/rcmaehl/WhyNotWin11
 
My results on my Dell Inspiron Gaming laptop,. The CPU is below the minimum spec.

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Ouch! I wouldn't panic yet, I have a feeling Microsoft's list may get adjusted, even the first Generation Ryzen Threadrippers are failing which is ridiculous!
 
I ran WhyNotWin11 on my rig. Sure enough, the CPU's what got me.

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Honestly, this is the kind of stuff I'd expect to see from Apple. I've heard of Windows 10 running on Prescott Pentium 4's (circa 2004), so there's absolutely no reason full Windows 11 won't be able to run on a 4-year-old i7 other than M$ being greedy. And with some of this stuff (like the TPM requirement, the boot type requirement, and so on) it almost sounds like they don't want you to build a new system, they want you to buy one from an OEM, or even better, one of theirs.

I can't wait for Linux to become mainstream.

Matt
 
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The Scalpers are on to this already apparently $99 on one site for an $8 module, the world has gone mad again....

The alternative checker has had an update since I last posted with a bit more info on it. https://github.com/rcmaehl/WhyNotWin11

That's absurd.

I just tried the alternative checker, thank you again, and the results are the same for my older X99 motherboard. I was considering and upgrade anyway sometime in the future (tm), so I'm not too worried about this Win 11 thing. After the dust settles, we can figure out where to get what or whether it's worth it or not.
 
That's absurd.

I just tried the alternative checker, thank you again, and the results are the same for my older X99 motherboard. I was considering and upgrade anyway sometime in the future (tm), so I'm not too worried about this Win 11 thing. After the dust settles, we can figure out where to get what or whether it's worth it or not.

I'd hate to say it, but if you're planning an upgrade, the time is now.

If this truly is the direction in which Microsoft wants to go, I fear that CPU's and motherboards are going to wind up in short supply with folks like us who are "behind the curve" in a frenzy to get Windows 11 compliant. And of course, scalpers will be all over this like flies on dog droppings.

Matt
 
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Windows 11 is not going on my computer, it does not qualify for the upgrade. I will be stuck on W10 till 2025 and using TANE until then. Trainz 2019 just does not do it for me. To many changes and its interface and lack of compatibility with my TANE routes not worth the upgrade.
 
My motherboard has a TPM socket but a quick survey for online suppliers shows no TPM cards in stock for any motherboards including mine. Cost is minimal at present but it wouldn't surprise me if the price went up.

I don't know much about TPM but I can't see a good reason for single users to need it. Are Microsoft only interested in corporate buyers? Maybe there will be different versions. Anyway, I don't intend to rush out and buy a TPM card/chip just yet.

The HDR option for Win 11 looks promising for gamers. I don't much care for gadgets that detect what you are looking at on your phone and then bring it up on your PC.
 
My motherboard has a TPM socket but a quick survey for online suppliers shows no TPM cards in stock for any motherboards including mine. Cost is minimal at present but it wouldn't surprise me if the price went up.

I don't know much about TPM but I can't see a good reason for single users to need it. Are Microsoft only interested in corporate buyers? Maybe there will be different versions. Anyway, I don't intend to rush out and buy a TPM card/chip just yet.

The HDR option for Win 11 looks promising for gamers. I don't much care for gadgets that detect what you are looking at on your phone and then bring it up on your PC.

I just moved to Win10 from Win7; and only because I wanted a new PC, which PCs only come now with Win10 if Windows is the O/S of choice. So far I can't say I find Win10 much better than Win7. In fact, it has rather too much bloatware and is missing several Windows Live features (such as Media Centre, DVD maker, Movie maker, etc.) that can be replaced only with purchased modules. (They are inexpensive, at least).

So Win11 does make me roll my eyes a bit. They also swivel to the side as I read some details about the troublesome Win11 requirement for TPM. The new PC has it as firmware but also as a motherboard socket for the wee TPM chip. Very good. But there seems to be an issue about the purpose of TPM. ...

It's marketed as a fine security feature to protect we vulnerable and careless PC users from naughty things. However, there seems to be opinion from many that its also the policeman that ensures PC users conform very strictly to what Microsoft will allow .... and disallow.

That's the nature of any security system and its rules (laws). But in some societies (including, supposedly, those of US, UK, Oz etcetera - ha ha) laws are often decided in a rather more democratic mode than just "Microsoft says so". At present we have a wide degree of freedom as to what we can put on to our universal computing machines and expect to work. In future, we may be forced to shop only at "The Company Store" for out PC stuff, as the TPM cop will insist.

Of course, I yam from Tyneside and therefore some kind of socialist happy to obey the law; but also used to the common ruck such as myself being exploited & opressed by satanic mill owners and nasty public schoolboy politicians; so I won't mind the TPM. :)

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I am not going to do anything about it.

I have recently upgraded to an i7 11700KF on a new Asus TUF gaming z590-Plus main board and it failed the test.

My rig works perfectly right now and I won't fix what ain't broken by messing around in the Bios.

In 2 years time I will do my planned upgrade, by then it should all have blown over :D


I'll also wait for the backlash from the public when they find out about it and then enjoy watching Micro$oft apply some spin and miraculously find an easy free solution.

The MS PC checker directs you to a site with little information, but it does give you links where you can by a new PC, hhmmm. Commission for M$?

Cheers,

Graham
 
I am not going to do anything about it.

I have recently upgraded to an i7 11700KF on a new Asus TUF gaming z590-Plus main board and it failed the test.

My rig works perfectly right now and I won't fix what ain't broken by messing around in the Bios.

In 2 years time I will do my planned upgrade, by then it should all have blown over :D


I'll also wait for the backlash from the public when they find out about it and then enjoy watching Micro$oft apply some spin and miraculously find an easy free solution.

The MS PC checker directs you to a site with little information, but it does give you links where you can by a new PC, hhmmm. Commission for M$?

Cheers,

Graham


For Intel, just needs or PTT or iPTT enabling in the Bios Graham if and when you ever decide to upgrade, no rush you've got to 2025.

Seems to me that Microsoft have not thought this through as TPM is currently disabled by default on new PCs and probably 90% of computer users have no idea what a bios is or how to access it, I can see a lot of bricked motherboards.
 
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