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    Default Trainz Plus - New Beta 110771 available

    Patch from 110491 to 110771 using the Trainz Plus Beta stream.

    IMPORTANT:
    1. We strongly suggest you make a copy of your current Trainz Plus install and patch the copy for this test. This will allow you to run side-by-side comparisons (see below). If you haven't made a copy, you can redownload 110491 from MyTrainz.
    2. This build is trainzbuild 4.8 therefore routes and sessions saved in this version are not backwards compatible.
    3. Also the Content Store does not yet support 4.8 assets.

    The biggest change is under the hood - the train physics now runs as a Trainz Native Interface (TNI) plugin. There are no changes to the actual physics, and that's the bit we'd like testers to focus on.

    Run a variety of locos and train configurations over a variety of terrain and compare performance to 110491.

    The goal here is to identify if anything has changed dramatically, and if so, is it better or worse (i.e. a change may be a good thing if it was broken previously).

    Please note that AI drivers operate using DCC/Simple mode and therefore Realistic/Cab mode will show different results to DCC/Simple or AI.

    Also note that "train physics" means driving operations only and not cab or rolling stock motion, derailments etc.

    Other changes are listed below.

    Changelist:
    • Routes saved in 4.8 Trainzbuild format
    • Updates to low res (minimap) texture cut-off distances
    • Login improvements (prompted to enter details when installing, sign out option added)
    • Map view label improvements (less clutter)
    • Scroll bar tweaks (it's now visible!)
    • Tweaks for Test Track (related to TNI physics)
    • Crash fix when exiting a route with placeholder (missing asset) traincars
    • Crash fix for routes with a script that wasn't loaded when called
    • Fixed a case where loading could be extremely slow


    Known issues:
    • Driver messages truncated
    • Track profile not showing
    • Track Add tool not auto-activated switching to Surveyor
    Last edited by Tony_Hilliam; January 22nd, 2021 at 03:02 PM.
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    Tony, Thank you for the change list and the detailed info. It is very much appreciated. Wow. Yes, you certainly can see the scrollbar!

    110771 - Upon initial start I have no track profile though it is checked to show and interface underlay is on. This was a fresh install with only KS route. I went to Content Store to download another route and I only have 6 routes showing on "Purchased" tab. I am Gold and normally see all N3V products. Four of the six routes have blank buttons (2 say "Install"). (Account check on store panel shows login succeeded, username and password correct)

    Just a very quick initial report. Could be something wonky on my end. Will update further.... (My 110491 install is working fine)
    Last edited by 1611mac; January 22nd, 2021 at 09:49 AM.
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    Not looking very good in current state..... How can an update break so much when previously there were no missing assets and no faulty assets and Payware DLC and DLS updates all up to date prior to patching. And No this isn't my working Install but the one I use for Betas.

    Database repair has been done and no change.

    Content Store is broken only 5 routes showing under Store.

    9 Items under purchased have no thumbnail.

    Nothing under Updates

    Builtin missing dependencies:

    <kuid2:523:19723401:2> Multiplayer Session
    <kuid2:82412:104713:3> Season Town Northern RR - Limestone Transportation (summer time)
    <kuid2:523:19723388:5> Multiplayer Session
    <kuid2:69379:100038:4> NWR Pickup
    <kuid2:69379:100027:3> NWR Pickup Diesel (Ride)
    <kuid2:69379:100003:4> NWR Pickup (Ride)
    <kuid2:69379:100021:5> Thames Clyde Late
    <kuid2:169264:100533:9> Passenger Run
    <kuid2:82412:104712:4> Season Town Northern RR - Limestone Transportation (snowy winter)
    <kuid2:82412:104714:3> Season Town Streetcar Museum Association - Lake Holiday line (summer time)
    <kuid2:82412:104715:3> Season Town Streetcar Museum Association - Shopping Mall line (snowy winter)
    <kuid2:368725:100024:8> Settle Shunt (Ride)
    <kuid2:69379:100016:4> Thames Clyde (Ride)
    <kuid2:69379:100017:4> Thames Clyde Diesel
    <kuid2:69379:100018:7> Thames Clyde Express
    <kuid2:69871:2205:6> The Bidye Traction Railroad - An Explorer
    <kuid2:69871:2201:11> The Bidye Traction Railroad - Easy Street
    <kuid2:69871:2206:8> The Bidye Traction Railroad - Freight Train Arrival
    <kuid2:69871:2207:7> The Bidye Traction Railroad - Steam Shift
    <kuid2:69871:2208:8> The Bidye Traction Railroad - Twas a dark
    <kuid2:69871:2209:4> The Bidye Traction Railroad - Unstructured Multiplayer
    <kuid2:169264:100531:4> The Sydney Mail ( Multiplayer )

    Installed Missing Dependencies, Payware.

    <kuid2:69379:100008:11> SnC Craven District
    <kuid2:44090:15072:43> Ex-LMS 6 Wheel Milk Tanker Express Dairy
    <kuid2:368725:15072:2> Ex-LMS 6 Wheel Milk Tanker Express Dairy_OHpipe
    <kuid2:69379:100009:18> SnC Vale of Eden
    <kuid2:44090:1041:43> Fowler 3F 0-6-0T (Jinty) BR black
    <kuid2:44090:55103:40> Fowler 3F 0-6-0T (Jinty) BR black cab
    <kuid2:69379:100014:13> SnC Carlisle Skipton
    <kuid2:368725:100050:15> SnC Ribblesdale
    <kuid2:69379:100020:17> SnC Yorkshire Dales
    <kuid2:103475:70:3> VR DD T2 Black2 SG
    <kuid2:103475:68:3> VR DD T2 Black SG
    <kuid2:103475:64:3> VR DD T2 Can Red SG

    And various other items now broken due to the above issues.

    On the positive side Steam Physics seem pretty much the same from a half hour test.
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    Additional comments to my post above...
    Did a new clean install of 110491 "plus" - Using base install only. Everything worked as expected, store was fine, Driver was fine.

    Changed update stream to "plus beta" and 110771 installed. Upon start everything reported in my post above is still broken. Store is broken. Still only 6 routes show under "purchased" and four of those are broken with blank download button. Kickstarter 2 launches but there is no track profile. F5 toggles display as expected. Show track profile is ON. Changing "interface height" has no effect. Profile does not show at any setting.

    With this brand new base install Content Manger shows no faulty or "bad" assets. 3752 assets installed with this base install.
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    I agree. My data base is also a mess with this update. EX: Assets <kuid2:52519:27008:1> Storm Pipes 3 is listed as unknown location in build 110771 and listed as built-in in 110491
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1611mac View Post
    Kickstarter 2 launches but there is no track profile .../... Profile does not show at any setting.
    You should have a look at "Known issues"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HPL View Post
    You should have a look at "Known issues"...
    duh! (hand slapping forehead)
    Believe it or not I did read those but then promptly forgot when route launched..
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    clam - those assets are fine here. Which item is actually missing and what status is it? Is this build pointing to your same local data folder? If not, perhaps something is in fact missing and needs to be downloaded.

    lewis - that item is part of sc486.tzarc. Perhaps you have the simc:sc486 folders installed? When we sort out the new 4.8 platform configuration the new content will be available to install.
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    The copy I made of one of my TS19 installations became a basket case after the beta patch was applied and similar to that reported earlier. Mostly these were payware routes with missing dependencies and no way I could see to reinstall them since the Content Store wouldn't show them. So, after some unproductive messing around I decided to delete the whole thing, create a new installation from scratch and apply the beta patch which went well. I don't seem to have any missing deps. I'll find some DLS routes to install and play with.

    I haven't had any time to do testing but it seems to me that the interface to the Content Store isn't working well at all. I did check the 110491 version I copied and the payware routes installed seem OK to me.

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    I had missing or faulty assets. I highlighted all of them and did an open for edit followed by a download all and they returned to installed not faulty. Also in my route, I had to do a delete missing assets to clear up those error assets and the route is now running normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_Hilliam View Post
    clam - those assets are fine here. Which item is actually missing and what status is it? Is this build pointing to your same local data folder? If not, perhaps something is in fact missing and needs to be downloaded.
    All due to these showing as Payware not Active....... and as the Content Store is broken unable to download anything and as nothing was missing before patching shouldn't really have to.

    <kuid2:523:1972780:1> CNJ G3s Black
    <kuid2:311512:100012:1> 60s Road Sign - Hump Bridge
    <kuid2:169264:100532:15> Warwick - Wallangarra
    <kuid2:311512:100020:1> 60s Road Sign - Bend
    <kuid2:523:1972789:1> CNJ P47
    <kuid2:217537:117:1> BR Duchess Blue Heavy
    <kuid2:311512:100021:1> 60s Road Sign - Crossroads
    <kuid2:523:1972781:1> CNJ G3s Black Tender
    <kuid2:311512:100013:1> 60s Road Sign - Bends for 1 3/4 Miles
    <kuid2:523:1972791:1> CNJ P47 Drivers
    <kuid2:523:19723767:1> BR Stanier BTK-P B/G
    <kuid2:217537:119:1> BR Duchess Red Heavy
    <kuid2:311512:100023:1> 60s Road Sign - Halt at Major Road Ahead
    <kuid2:45324:50230:5> Barber-Bettendorf Truck 5in × 9in Brg 33in wheels
    <kuid2:523:1972790:1> CNJ P47Tender
    <kuid2:523:19723766:1> BR Stanier BTK-P
    <kuid2:217537:118:1> BR Duchess Blue Medium
    <kuid2:311512:100022:1> 60s Road Sign - Hill 1 in 12
    <kuid2:523:1972785:1> CNJ P47 TrailingTruck Black
    <kuid2:311512:100017:1> 60s Road Sign - Level Crossing
    <kuid2:311512:100018:1> 60s Road Sign - Low Bridge Headroom 14' - 0
    <kuid2:103475:50224:1> VR M T1 Lead Bogey - 2
    <kuid2:523:1972784:1> CNJ G3s TenderTruck Black
    <kuid2:311512:100016:1> 60s Road Sign - Road Junction
    <kuid2:311512:100019:1> 60s Road Sign - School
    <kuid2:217537:122:1> LMS Duchess Black Medium
    <kuid2:311512:100026:1> 60s Road Sign - Slow Major Road Ahead
    <kuid2:101839:1046:7> BR 9f Double Chimney AWS Fitted
    <kuid2:523:1972758:1> CNJ BlueComet Diner
    <kuid2:101839:1047:7> BR 9f Single Chimney AWS Fitted
    <kuid2:523:1972759:1> CNJ Blue Comet Diner Truck
    <kuid:523:19723782> BR Duchess Blue Tender
    <kuid2:103475:50181:1> VR Dd Class - T2 - Black - Tender Bogie 2 sg
    <kuid2:523:19723781:1> BR Duchess Green Tender
    <kuid2:103475:50184:1> VR Dd Class - T2 - Black2 - Tender Bogie 1 sg
    <kuid:523:19723784> BR Duchess Heavy
    <kuid2:523:1972744:1> CNJ G3s PonyTruck
    <kuid2:103475:50180:1> VR Dd Class - T2 - Black - Tender Bogie 1 sg
    <kuid:523:19723780> BR Duchess Medium
    <kuid2:217537:120:1> BR Duchess Red Medium
    <kuid2:217537:89:3> BR Duchess Red Post-war
    <kuid2:217537:88:2> BR Duchess Red Tender
    <kuid2:523:1972749:1> CNJ Blue Comet Coach Truck
    <kuid:44090:15373> Ex-LMS 6 Wheel Milk Tanker (Generic)
    <kuid2:523:1972752:1> CNJ BlueComet Baggage
    <kuid:523:19723792> LMS Duchess Red Tender
    <kuid:523:19723536> CNJ G3s TrailingTruck Black
    <kuid2:523:1972748:1> CNJ BlueComet Coach
    <kuid:44090:15372> Ex-LMS 6 Wheel Milk Tanker Express Dairy
    <kuid:523:19723788> LMS Duchess Medium
    <kuid2:523:1972751:1> CNJ BlueComet Combine
    <kuid2:447264:1039:2> CNJ G3s Engine Specification
    <kuid2:523:1972750:1> CNJ BlueComet Observation
    <kuid2:523:1972746:1> CNJ G3s Blue Tender
    <kuid2:523:1972743:1> CNJ G3s Drivers
    <kuid2:523:1972782:1> CNJ G3s Drivers Black
    <kuid2:103475:50223:1> VR M T1 Drivers - 2
    <kuid2:523:1972783:1> CNJ G3s PonyTruck Black
    <kuid2:523:1972747:1> CNJ G3s TenderTruck
    <kuid2:103475:50185:1> VR Dd Class - T2 - Black2 - Tender Bogie 2 sg
    <kuid2:523:1972745:1> CNJ G3s TrailingTruck
    <kuid2:154322:101483:23> ECML Kings Cross - Edinburgh
    <kuid2:44090:658:42> Fowler 3F 0-6-0T (Jinty) BR black shell cab
    <kuid2:217537:121:1> LMS Duchess Black Heavy
    <kuid2:217537:84:3> LMS Duchess Black post-war
    <kuid2:217537:85:2> LMS Duchess Black Tender
    <kuid:523:19723777> LMS Duchess Heavy
    <kuid2:217537:123:2> LMS Duchess pre-war Heavy
    <kuid:523:19723772> LMS PIII Stanier FK
    <kuid2:217537:124:3> LMS Duchess pre-war Medium
    <kuid2:523:19723776:1> LMS PIII Stanier BTK
    <kuid:523:19723774> LMS PIII Stanier TO
    <kuid2:311512:100029:1> Midland Gradient Post01
    <kuid2:311512:100030:1> Midland Gradient Post02
    <kuid2:60850:22207:5> S&C Platforms Newbiggin
    <kuid2:311512:100031:1> Midland Gradient Post03
    <kuid2:311512:100032:1> Midland Gradient Post04
    <kuid2:60850:22209:4> S&C Platforms Ribblehead
    <kuid2:311512:100033:1> Midland Gradient Post05
    <kuid2:311512:100034:1> Midland Gradient Post06
    <kuid2:60850:22211:4> S&C Platforms Dent
    <kuid2:311512:100035:1> Midland Gradient Post07
    <kuid2:311512:100036:1> Midland Gradient Post08
    <kuid2:311512:100041:1> MilePost - 1 Mile
    <kuid2:60850:22214:3> S&C Platforms Lazonby
    <kuid2:311512:100038:1> MilePost - 1/4 Mile
    <kuid:44090:50316> PLL Fowler 3F 0-6-0T (Jinty) bogie
    <kuid2:44090:15496:2> RCH 14T Class A Tanker (Esso)
    <kuid2:44090:15496:3> RCH 14T Class A Tanker (Esso)
    <kuid2:44090:15498:3> RCH 14T Class A Tanker (National)
    <kuid2:44090:15498:2> RCH 14T Class A Tanker (National)
    <kuid2:44090:15497:2> RCH 14T Class A Tanker (Regent)
    <kuid2:44090:15488:3> RCH 14T Class A Tanker (Shell-BP)
    <kuid2:44090:15491:2> RCH 14T Class B Tanker (Shell-BP)
    <kuid2:44090:15491:3> RCH 14T Class B Tanker (Shell-BP)
    <kuid2:44090:15489:5> RCH 14T Milk Tanker (Express Dairy)
    <kuid2:44090:15490:2> RCH 14T Tanker (Generic)
    <kuid2:60850:22204:5> S&C Platforms Kirkby Stephen
    <kuid2:60850:22216:4> S&C Platforms Little Salkeld
    <kuid2:60850:22203:4> S&C Platforms Settle
    <kuid2:82412:104711:7> Season Town Northern RR
    <kuid2:60850:24528:50> Sig UQ Home Coacting 40ft LHS
    <kuid2:69379:100014:14> SnC Carlisle Skipton
    <kuid2:103475:51006:1> VR M Class E-spec - 2 (TS12)
    <kuid:44090:1342> Stanier 8F 2-8-0 BR Black
    <kuid2:44090:55101:42> Stanier 8F cab
    <kuid2:44090:57321:1> Texture group for general numbers
    <kuid2:69871:2200:10> The Bidye Traction Railroad - Model Trainz
    <kuid2:103475:50154:1> VR Dd Class - T2 - Canadian Red - Tender Bogie 1 sg
    <kuid2:103475:50155:1> VR Dd Class - T2 - Canadian Red - Tender Bogie 2 sg
    <kuid2:103475:50150:1> VR Dd Class - T2 - Green - Tender Bogie 1 - SG
    <kuid2:103475:50151:1> VR Dd Class - T2 - Green - Tender Bogie 2 - SG
    <kuid2:103475:50158:1> VR Dd Class - T2 - WW1 Red - Tender Bogie 1 sg
    <kuid2:103475:50159:1> VR Dd Class - T2 - WW1 Red - Tender Bogie 2 sg
    <kuid2:103475:55032:1> VR DD Class Type 2 - Black 2 interior SG
    <kuid2:103475:55028:1> VR DD Class Type 2 - Black interior SG
    <kuid2:103475:55030:1> VR DD Class Type 2 - Canadian Red interior SG
    <kuid2:103475:71:4> VR DD T2 Black2 Ten SG
    <kuid2:103475:69:4> VR DD T2 Black Ten SG
    <kuid2:103475:65:3> VR DD T2 Can Red Ten SG
    <kuid2:103475:63:3> VR DD T2 Grn Ten SG
    <kuid2:103475:67:4> VR DD T2 WW1 Red Ten SG
    <kuid2:103475:60111:2> VR M class Numbers - 1
    <kuid2:103475:18:1> ZR M Christmas 2015
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    I have the same issue here as well with the DLC.
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    My main menu screen (eg Driver/Surveyor-My Collection etc) has only part background picture.
    Cheers Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert65d View Post
    My main menu screen (eg Driver/Surveyor-My Collection etc) has only part background picture.
    Cheers Bob
    I had that too after I tried to repair the installation and assumed I broke it. Maybe I should have taken a pic.

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    Yep I have the same issues as below posts.
    Another cluster F**k - and we have a pseudo long-weekend in OZ - public holiday on Tuesday so everybody has Monday off as well and we may have to wait till the end of the week for a fix!
    Just as well I tried the latest DL on a clean install and not "The Beast"!
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