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    Default Before Refrigeration how was ice sawn/stored/mined ?

    I am supposing that ice was hand sawn, at one time, and was non-existent, past June stored in sawdust packed 52 degree mines, there was NO such invention as refrigeration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MP242 View Post
    I am supposing that ice was hand sawn, at one time, and was non-existent, past June stored in sawdust packed 52 degree mines, there was NO refrigeration.
    In California the railroads did a booming business shipping ice from the Sierra Nevada Mountains to the cities and towns of the valley and coast. Ice boxes were in wide use and and ice was stored in large warehouses along the railroad right of way and distributed by icemen. Google Union Ice.



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    l'd imagine that Ice was totally non-existent past June/July/August/Sept/Oct/Nov in the US and Canada, as there was no such thing as refrigeration.
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    Packed in straw lined box cars, as straw was a cheap and effective insulation material. Manufactured ice was also dumped into the top of insulated (again usually with straw) box cars loaded with beef at the meat works (at night in summer) for overnight delivery to major cities.
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    Back east many areas had ice ponds where the ice was harvested and then stored in nearby ice sheds from which it was distributed to customers. On old topo maps dating back to the early part of the last century or before, you can see sidings with buildings marked as an ice house which was located next to the ponds.

    My parents remember the iceman delivering a block of ice for their parents' iceboxes throughout the year. My dad told me he used to line up with the other neighborhood kids and wait for the iceman to chip of chunks of ice for them to suck on.
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    As 32 degree ice melts very FAST in 52 degree Mines, ice was totally non-existent past June/July/August/Sept/Oct/Nov in the US and Canada, that had to be some miraculous ice that withstood such torid temperatures, as at 33 degrees it is no longer solid, and is now flowing water
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    Default Manufactured Ice

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    Saturday 29 January 1855 was hot – the thermometer hit 112 °F (44 °C) [1] but in central Sydney the solution was at hand – ice.[2] The cooling natural ice had travelled from the winter's cold of Boston, USA, as part of the international 'frozen water' trade that had first reached Sydney in 1839.



    For six years (1839 to 1840 and 1853 to 1856) it was natural ice that kept Sydneysiders and their food cool during the heat of summer; but the international frozen water trade[3] was finally the victim of a technological development from the Australian colonies – machine-made ice. From 1857 manufactured ice travelled to Sydney by ship from Melbourne, but from 1864 the Sydney Ice Company's works, located on West Street, Darlinghurst, [4] provided a local source, free from the vagaries of transport or weather.

    Manufactured ice was developed about the same time Australian railways were getting started.
    Of course in areas ice did not reach, Australia had the trusty Coolgardie Safe. A Ventilated box draped with wet canvas on 4 legs set in jam tins full of water to keep the ants out.
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    I think some one is pulling our leg ... past 33 degrees F ice can not totally impossibly last that long, for weeks at a time, or it is 34 + degree Cool Water !

    Your ice cube has melted !
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    Quote Originally Posted by MP242 View Post
    As 32 degree ice melts very FAST in 52 degree Mines, ice was totally non-existent past June/July/August/Sept/Oct/Nov in the US and Canada, that had to be some miraculous ice that withstood such torid temperatures, as at 33 degrees it is no longer solid, and is now flowing water
    If the ice was not to be used for drinking purposes, then adding impurities to the water before freezing it actually increased its melting point. Adding soot, for example, can increase its melting point from 0C to 7C (32F to 44.6F).
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    Quote Originally Posted by pware View Post
    If the ice was not to be used for drinking purposes, then adding impurities to the water before freezing it actually increased its melting point. Adding soot, for example, can increase its melting point from 0C to 7C (32F to 44.6F).

    44.6 F ice, I don't think so ... musta' tasted kinda' sooty

    I have seen some sooty, cinder, dirty, petrified snow mounds on a rather warm winter day, piled high in a parking lot.
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    Some ice mines/caverns only create ice in the summer months and it actually melts away in the winter.

    Go figure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazytrain View Post
    Some ice mines/caverns only create ice in the summer months and it actually melts away in the winter.

    Go figure.
    That would be in Australia ?
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    Cloudersport Ice Mine, Pennsylvania is one such mine. Google it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazytrain View Post
    Cloudersport Ice Mine, Pennsylvania is one such mine. Google it.
    I think they are physically lying to ya !

    Creates ice in summer, melts in winter, ya
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    OK. Suit yourself. Let your meat spoil.

    I'm going in there, chippin' off some of that ice and putting it in my straw lined ice box!
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