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    Quote Originally Posted by grazlash View Post
    So, "something" happens on youtube and I get a 40k fine. Mate, good luck getting 40k out of me and if they wanted to extradite me to the USA it would cost them more than 40k to get me there (wouldn't mind a free trip to the USA though)
    Fine me 40k, I'll tell em they're dreamin'.
    Well, since you don't live in the States (according to your location), they'll more likely just terminate your entire YT account (and if really serious, your entire Google account). Now if you lived in the States, then it'll be different.

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    If you make money from uploading Youtube videos (though the ads), you should be responsible for the proper designations of that video. You are basically a billboard owner renting out space to the ad makers. Therefore, if you cannot properly mark your videos in the appropriate manner, then you should be responsible for the ads not being placed in the right neighborhood. That is why Youtube was found partially responsible for the violations. Big fish/little fish thing I suppose.

    Anyways, I wonder how much money this guy is generating from people watching that video, over and over again. Personally, I couldn't make it all the way through one time.
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    62k AUD Well thats the end of youtube then
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    Quote Originally Posted by MP242 View Post
    Does this mean: If I upload a video to YouTube, of my female (spayed) white Pomeranian Dawg, on top of my (neutered) male black Kat, it would not be fit for viewing by children ?
    It's disturbing how often you bring this up

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazytrain View Post
    If you make money from uploading Youtube videos (though the ads), you should be responsible for the proper designations of that video. You are basically a billboard owner renting out space to the ad makers. Therefore, if you cannot properly mark your videos in the appropriate manner, then you should be responsible for the ads not being placed in the right neighborhood. That is why Youtube was found partially responsible for the violations. Big fish/little fish thing I suppose.

    Anyways, I wonder how much money this guy is generating from people watching that video, over and over again. Personally, I couldn't make it all the way through one time.
    While this is true the issue is that what you deem child friendly the bot or algorithm might not. Bots can't think they just do what they are told and are often wrong. Take the monetization bot, this bot is known for falsely demonetizing videos, this bot has been revised and fixed many times but it still falsely demonetizes people. Most likely the bot that youtube will use to enforce this new regulation will have the same issue of false flagging, and instead of costing you a couple hundred bucks it can destroy your life, $40k is a lot of money and not many people can just shell out that much, and this can happen multiple times on every "mislabeled" video you've made. Peoples livelihoods are at stake and for many Youtube is a major or their only source of income so they can't just up and leave.
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    Hi all.

    I'm actually a bit sorry that I brought this thread into existence. My original purpose was to inform that this is a current matter that is important for video makers on Youtube that impacts also the Trainz community. Hence there is a video section in our screenshot forum. This is and important subject for Trainz video makers to inform yourself on if you like to or not.

    Yet I also see a lot of off topic responses and even some political opinions.

    Please keep off topic responses and political opinions out of this thread. This law originated already in 1998 (to be precise 21th of October 1998). So this is not some novel idea that originated under the current administration.

    Also I see a few comments that imply that is not a very fun discussion. I am fully aware on that. Law issues are seldom fun. Yet this is still important. It gives me headaches also and I would rather do something creative. But I am bringing this up because as a content creator and route bulder that also publishes his videos on Youtube so this matter is still important for my channel.


    Now on topic>

    I leave hera a very long video that provides insight and update on Youtube response on the matter. it is almost even to long for me as I paused at 17. minutes.
    I do however intend to watch this further now as this is actually an insightful discussion of the problem.

    There is are some insights in the first half so even if you are (like me currently) make it to the 17 minute mark you should know already a lot.



    Good luck let's hope that this issue will be resolved soon and we can go back to getting creative
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    This link would probably help with the issue. Determining if your content is made for kids

    In it, it states that YouTube Analytics (YTA) should/will not be used to help designate content. It also refers back to the FTC in determining factors to set your audience. Lawyer up!

    As mentioned above, the fines are determined by the revenue of the offending content with a multiplier attached. What that multiplier is isn't clear or perhaps even determined yet. $40,000 dollars is probably a worst case scenario or scary rumor. Also, Youtube is a U.S. company. Users of all nationalities are then subject to the FTC's guidelines. My guess would be that depending on the number of violations, if the non-conforming party is outside the U.S., rather than losing international users, small violations might be covered by YT as a courtesy to the low end violators. High end violators would simply have their accounts suspended.

    Then those user might become even more entrepreneurial and create YaTube, SieTube, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hiawathamr View Post
    Well, since you don't live in the States (according to your location), they'll more likely just terminate your entire YT account (and if really serious, your entire Google account). Now if you lived in the States, then it'll be different.

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    Anyway, found an update about this mess. Hopefully it'll help some of you out:



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    Thanks.

    This is a video with an opinion but still a very logical one and it helps a bit to depanic the situation .

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    This "fiasco" all stems from the false belief (or more likely, the total "con") that these platforms (YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, etc) are pushing onto us - that they are not the publishers of the content that appears on their platforms, they merely provide the media.

    These platforms must take full responsibility for what appears under their banner and not just pass it on to the content creators. It must be said that the content creators (such as you and I) must also be held accountable for what they create. If the New York Times or the Washington Post printed an offensive or inappropriate article or paid advert then both the publisher and the creator would be called to account. That is why they have human Sub Editors, Editors (and copyright and litigation lawyers).

    Of course, these platforms will simply hide behind their algorithms (which can be easily fooled) to keep their costs down.

    My opinions - I do not have a YouTube Channel, Facebook account, Twitter account, etc, etc (but I do have a Trainz Forum login - I know that makes me a dinosaur but I will be laughing when the social media "crunch" comes )
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    Quote Originally Posted by pware View Post
    This "fiasco" all stems from the false belief (or more likely, the total "con") that these platforms (YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, etc) are pushing onto us - that they are not the publishers of the content that appears on their platforms, they merely provide the media.

    These platforms must take full responsibility for what appears under their banner and not just pass it on to the content creators. It must be said that the content creators (such as you and I) must also be held accountable for what they create. If the New York Times or the Washington Post printed an offensive or inappropriate article or paid advert then both the publisher and the creator would be called to account. That is why they have human Sub Editors, Editors (and copyright and litigation lawyers).

    Of course, these platforms will simply hide behind their algorithms (which can be easily fooled) to keep their costs down.

    My opinions - I do not have a YouTube Channel, Facebook account, Twitter account, etc, etc (but I do have a Trainz Forum login - I know that makes me a dinosaur but I will be laughing when the social media "crunch" comes )
    In retrospective there is indeed nothing 'social' about 'social media'. They where all meant as advertisement platforms in the first place with you the user/creater as the 'vehicle' to carry the advertisement messages. Yes this is sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pware View Post
    This "fiasco" all stems from the false belief (or more likely, the total "con") that these platforms (YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, etc) are pushing onto us - that they are not the publishers of the content that appears on their platforms, they merely provide the media.

    These platforms must take full responsibility for what appears under their banner and not just pass it on to the content creators. It must be said that the content creators (such as you and I) must also be held accountable for what they create. If the New York Times or the Washington Post printed an offensive or inappropriate article or paid advert then both the publisher and the creator would be called to account. That is why they have human Sub Editors, Editors (and copyright and litigation lawyers).

    Of course, these platforms will simply hide behind their algorithms (which can be easily fooled) to keep their costs down.

    My opinions - I do not have a YouTube Channel, Facebook account, Twitter account, etc, etc (but I do have a Trainz Forum login - I know that makes me a dinosaur but I will be laughing when the social media "crunch" comes )
    Heh. I agree. "I was only following orders" didn't work in 1945 -- and it still doesn't.

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    Found more updates:




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    Part 2/2


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    Is it really about protecting the children or is it to stop all information being viewed by millions,, so lets shut YouTube down but lets leave most if not all adult websites up that just ask if you are over 18 years old ??? yes of coarse i am,, Have fun
    Simple YouTube shut down and go to another country,,,

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    Everyone needs to calm down and stop watching click bait videos. If a thumbnail looks like a used car commercial I wouldn't take legal advice from them.

    If you must watch a video here is one made by a lawyer that specializes in consumer law.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1-1hteB9dQ

    Now contrary to what many have said this is not the result of any new law or regulation. It is the result of a lawsuit filed by the Attorney General of the state of New York against Google. It involved much more than just YouTube. Google collects data on anyone that uses any of their online services. Since 1998 it has been illegal to collect personal data from any child 13 and under. Websites have been complying with the COPPA law since then. Social media platforms have been very lax in obeying the law. In fact their business model is based on collecting personal information and using it to sell ads targeted to be shown to a person that is likely to buy. If you want to be mad at someone be mad at social media companies. They are passing the buck to their users.

    If you don't live in the USA and are not making money from your videos, calm down. The AG of New York is only interested in glamour lawsuits that will pad his resume for when he runs for Governor of New York. He isn't going to come after you and neither is the FTC.

    If you live in the USA and are not making money from ads on your videos, calm down. Mark your videos as suitable for children. This turns off comments and targeted ads that Google might have placed on the page. Adults can still watch your videos but they will have a harder time finding them as they won't be recommended to them.

    If you want comments, mark your videos for adults but be aware if a child watches it or comments then your video might get flagged.

    To those who ask why this is happening, consider these facts. Google admitted that upwards of 80% of views are children under 18 years old. It has been widely known that to make the big bucks on YouTube you had to reach the kids. The top ten channels all make videos featuring adults acting like teenagers. Pranks, jokes, music, TV clips, gaming and general dumb behavior are money makers.


    1. T-Series: 113 million subscribers
    2. PewDiePie: 101 million subscribers
    3. Cocomelon - Nursery Rhymes: 61.6 million subscribers
    4. 5-Minute Crafts: 61.1 million subscribers
    5. SET India - 56.9 million subscribers
    6. Canal KondZilla: 52.3 million subscribers
    7. WWE: 49 million subscribers
    8. Justin Beiber: 46.6 million subscribers
    9. Dude Perfect: 46.1 million subscribers
    10. Zee Music Company: 44.2 million subscribers


    Google has ignored the problem for years because for every $1 that advertisers pay, Google gets $0.60 of it.

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