DennisWoytek
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Many of the changes in the current Beta are aimed at addressing that kind of confusion. Can you clarify exactly what steps you're taking now, and why they don't work out for your use-case?
thanks,
chris
I already explained that in subsequent posts: I'd like to see it working like it always did, currently in T:ANE and in TRS19 up to Build 100464.
..when I decide to exit and save the Driver session, I am only prompted to create a new session or overwrite the current one like if I am still in Surveyor. That's not I want to do! What I want to do is to SAVE THE CURRENT DRIVER SESSION
Did you read my post? I DO NOT WANT TO CREATE A NEW SESSION!!!Choose the "new session" option. That does exactly what you want here.
chris
Did you read my post? I DO NOT WANT TO CREATE A NEW SESSION!!!
Need to think outside the box.
Just started a session here, exited to driver, saved as a new session and called it Save Game. Exited to menu, Original session is intact unchanged, new session "Save Game" acts just as a save game did and when loaded continues from where it was saved. Just a slight change in the terminology required.
If I wanted an edit in a session to become permanent then I would save as the original session.Think that's how it is supposed to work?
Can see a problem with that if you want the session to begin at the starts rather than where it was saved from.
No, I often use the train tab when driving, and with this method it would end with dozens new sessions in all routes.
Whereas the previous method would end with dozens of saved games in all routes.
I'm not sure what your point is, other than that we've moved from calling them "saved games" (when you save a session from driver) and "sessions" (when you save a session from surveyor)
Actually, I think what you're after is quite possible.
My understanding of what you're trying to do is update the ROUTE, so as long as you're making route layer edits, and you choose Save route, do not save session, you'll have exactly what you're after.
1. Start with a route with a loop track and single loco in "12 o'clock" on the route.
2. Drive Session, switch to Surveyor, paint the terrain, raise the terrain, add new track, new signals, new scenery
3. You can either have the train paused while doing the edits or not - that's up to you.
4. Switch back to driver
5. Train is now at 6 o'clock and you're done editing and driving
6. Exit and Save > Overwrite existing route + Do not save session.
7. From the menu, Drive session again.
8. You loco is where you want it, and your route layer edits are maintained.
I've updated the wiki page with a [hopefully] clearer picture of what was meant about the Save new option.
Or, if you don't want to lose the "original start position" for the session, then choose "Create a New Session"
NOTE: This means you now have two sessions saved - the old one has the original start positions, and the new one has the current saved positions.
No, this is not the only modification: saved games are visible in sessions menu, saved sessions are visible in routes menu.
The system was probably originally designed as part of the multiplayer Surveyor concept and works well for editing a route.
This latest build which eliminates "save games" works fine - just requires the user to rethink the concept of "session". I would like the "Save New Session" if checked to provide the old "save game" naming structure as a default. ie Session Name and date/time. If that was not the user's intention then it is easy to modify it to whatever is wanted.
I find that using this UDS for debugging a long session is however not very useful. I start with 20+ consists scattered on a large route. Some of these start automatically at the beginning, but most are waiting for triggers to start them up. I start up UDS in driver and drive watching for problems with the various AI trains. I find that a "Set Junctions" rule needs to be modified after running for an hour. I can modifiy this, manually deal with the problem and continue. When I get tired and want to save the changes and select "create new session" the modified session rules are saved, but now many of the consists are no longer in the original locations.
The only way to replace the session rules in the original session with these modified ones is to copy/paste between the sessions or write the changes on paper and do it in the old way.
I think there needs to be a series of options for what exactly is to be saved with save session.
- save new consist locations or keep locations from the start of the current session
- save modified environment
- save modified session data like multi industry setup, road crossings etc
- save modified session rules
- save new consists (where placed or current location)
Another preferred modification: If a session is started with Edit Session then it should default to PAUSED. AI trains which are not on screen move and then these altered locations get saved without the user being aware of the problem.
My thoughts on Saving/Editing Sessions in the new Unified system.
Another preferred modification: If a session is started with Edit Session then it should default to PAUSED. AI trains which are not on screen move and then these altered locations get saved without the user being aware of the problem.
Glenn