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    Thumbs down TRS19 Content delivery strategy causing major route development problems

    I am a route developer who tries very hard to ensure to keep my routes are up to the latest major Trainz release standards. As part of this I also only use built-in or available from the DLS content items to ensure that no one has to hunt for content in order to be able to use my routes.

    I have recently been made aware of a major issue with the way N3V provides content that is causing problems for those who use my TRS19 routes such as my <kuid2:439337:102423:1> Cattaraugus Creek & Lake Erie 1950s - TRS19.

    The Problem: Built-in content is apparently being provided in the free DLCs that users are prompted to download and install by TRS19 rather then drawing on that already included in the base TRS19 program or requiring it be downloaded from the DLS. Not being aware of this I downloaded and installed all those free DLCs. The problem with this is that the content in these free DLCs then becomes indistinguishable from other TRS19 base content that is also shown as built-in or INstalled, Payware in the Content Manager.

    After I upgraded my CC&LE route and made it available, along with two sessions I developed, I started getting reports of missing content. I eventually tracked this down to content that was being only provided in the DLCs but was not being made available in either the base TRS19 program or available for download from the DLS.

    Here are some examples:

    <kuid2:68236:23278:2> Old Garage 2 - Built-In
    <kuid2:515942:100169:13> Cornish Mainline and Branches - TRS19
    <kuid2:154322:101483:23> ECML Kings Cross - Edinburgh

    <kuid2:453099:101630:51> Mountain Maple - 01 - INstalled, Payware
    <kuid2:57230:100074:13> Sebino Lake, Italy (1980s)

    <kuid2:124017:26043:3> YARN Bridge02 Support - INstalled, Payware
    <kuid2:453099:100037:20> C&O Hinton Division

    <kuid:661281:75013> Tree Broadleaf 02 Darker - INstalled, Payware
    <kuid2:154322:100063:15> ECML EDINBURGH - DUNDEE

    <kuid2:1942:37002:3> Fence_Corrugated_1942 - Built-In
    <kuid2:515942:100169:13> Cornish Mainline and Branches - TRS19
    <kuid2:154322:100063:15> ECML EDINBURGH - DUNDEE
    <kuid2:154322:101483:23> ECML Kings Cross - Edinburgh

    <kuid2:122860:100082:3> Roys_SLD_S1_8-1481 3D Seasons - INstalled, Payware
    <kuid2:122860:100436:27> Canadian Rocky Mountains - Golden, BC

    <kuid2:60238:37036:1> Road Divider - INstalled, Payware
    <kuid2:122860:100436:27> Canadian Rocky Mountains - Golden, BC
    <kuid2:154322:101483:23> ECML Kings Cross - Edinburgh

    <kuid2:1942:37001:2> Fence_Spiked_1942 - Built-In
    <kuid2:515942:100169:13> Cornish Mainline and Branches - TRS19
    <kuid2:154322:100063:15> ECML EDINBURGH - DUNDEE
    <kuid2:154322:101483:23> ECML Kings Cross - Edinburgh
    <kuid2:57230:100074:13> Sebino Lake, Italy (1980s)

    <kuid2:82763:1104:2> Fence 3 bar pebbles and rusty rails - Built-In
    <kuid2:515942:100169:13> Cornish Mainline and Branches - TRS19
    <kuid2:154322:100063:15> ECML EDINBURGH - DUNDEE
    <kuid2:154322:101483:23> ECML Kings Cross - Edinburgh

    <kuid2:9000:27014:1> Machine House 05 - INstalled, Payware
    <kuid2:154322:101483:23> ECML Kings Cross - Edinburgh

    <kuid2:60238:38212:1> Wire Gates - Built-In
    <kuid2:515942:100169:13> Cornish Mainline and Branches - TRS19
    <kuid2:154322:100063:15> ECML EDINBURGH - DUNDEE
    <kuid2:154322:101483:23> ECML Kings Cross - Edinburgh

    <kuid:661281:75012> Tree Broadleaf 01 Darker - INstalled, Payware
    <kuid2:154322:100063:15> ECML EDINBURGH - DUNDEE

    <kuid2:1942:37009:2> Fence_Chain_Link_1942 - Built-In
    <kuid2:515942:100169:13> Cornish Mainline and Branches - TRS19
    <kuid2:154322:100063:15> ECML EDINBURGH - DUNDEE
    <kuid2:154322:101483:23> ECML Kings Cross - Edinburgh
    <kuid2:57230:100074:13> Sebino Lake, Italy (1980s)

    Because of all of this I have been forced to revise my route requirements to: Minimum requirements are TRS19 with all hot fixes applied, all free DLCs downloaded and installed, and you must have your Shader quality set to ULTRA.

    Unfortunately, as pointed out by another user this doesn't help. Here is what he said: "That would prevent owners of the "North American Edition" to use them: most of built-in/payware assets in your example are from non-US routes..."

    I have also noticed that a lot of the DLC and base TRS19 built-in content ranges from build 1.2 to 2.9.

    If 3rd party freeware route development efforts such as mine are to continue remaining viable, N3V needs to revise it's content delivery strategy so that content is either built-in only in the base TRS19 program or available for download from the DLS and not dependent on download and installation of DLCs.

    My own personal opinion is that every item of content that is in the base TRS19 program or its DLCs should be made available for download from the DLS so that it is always available to users so that we 3rd party route developers do not have to be concerned about where it can be obtained. As the average route contains hundreds of content items it is impractical to try to track down the pedigree of each item that is being used on that route.

    N3V, this issue is really causing me support problems for my routes.

    Bottom line: Content needs to be either in the base TRS19 program or available for download from the DLS and not from separate DLCs.

    Bob
    Last edited by MSGSapper; May 21st, 2019 at 11:25 AM.
    Master Sergeant/E8, U.S. Army, Retired (1972-1993)

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