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    The graphics/textures are slow loading while in Driver. This is noticable when changing from external to internal cameras while driving due to the controls and gauges taking their time unblurring. Externally, this is seen on the freight wagons and other assets, which are blurry then finally come into focus. Changing back and forth, however, does not get better and this occurs again when swapping from an external to an internal camera or moving to another location on a route.
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    John - afaik since TANE there is always a driver selected. F5 hides the HUD. Does that satisify the requirements of not seeing the controls?

    Regarding textures - what texture settings are you using? And detail update rate? Does changing thse help? How long is the dealy and how does that compare to previously?

    Jeff - driving cars may come one day, but it's well down the list currently.

    " The keyboard controls to rotate the world in Surveyor mode don't work. "
    >> I assume you mean the interface option to change from mouse to keyboard panning. I'll investigate why that is turned off.

    Nugget - "i would left click and then right click to fill large areas,"
    >> thanks for that report - I assume you mean right-click to move forward while holding down the LMB? I've raised a task to fix that one!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_Hilliam View Post
    John - afaik since TANE there is always a driver selected. F5 hides the HUD. Does that satisify the requirements of not seeing the controls?

    Regarding textures - what texture settings are you using? And detail update rate? Does changing thse help? How long is the dealy and how does that compare to previously?
    Tony,

    I'll investigate the texture issues in detail tomorrow because it's getting close to bedtime for me.

    Hiding the HUD really doesn't fix the solve the problem although that's a quick band-aide. Yes this has been around since day-on for as long as I can remember as well TS12 or earlier I think, but at least T:ANE and since there are new cameras being introduced, perhaps some new or correct camera behavior should be introduced as well.

    When I initially used the walk camera (I love that one by the way!), I had no train selected at the time and no driver, and the non-driver white outline image showed where the driver is along with no profile. Later on after riding with a driver, I had the driver's route profile associated with the camera I was using when I posted the issue, but no actual driver image. This was "Vaughn" in this case and this AI driver was no longer selected, however, this camera view showed the route profile in the window.

    So....

    I would think that no driver should be shown when no particular consist is selected since these cameras shouldn't be connected to any driver, and they definitely should not show the profile for the last used drive.

    I know it's a bit complicated...
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    im currently having problems finding Trainz Plus in the file where it should be at. im a current Gold Pass holder as well

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    i edited my last post in this thread, i went into my route to start editing, more crashes, serious issues putting spline points down and deleting track, i am almost to the point i am gonna have to halt my route building until these bugs are fixed, i have been able to reproduce these issues extremely to often to go unnoticed from beta testers before this was released to gold members.i must say i am pretty disappointed with this update.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nugget2225 View Post
    to go unnoticed from beta testers before this was released to gold members
    What Beta testers before release? You are the beta testers, one of the perks of having a Gold subscription. It is not a release it's a beta.
    Many of us hardened testers are now excluded from any involvement of Trainz Plus testing due to not having, needing, wanting a subscription or paying over the odds just to test, so it's up to the Golden club to do their own testing.
    Malc


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    I can sympathise with you Malc, I thinks it's a shame that the hardened Beta testers like you are now being snubbed in favour of the Gold 'elite'.

    I hadn't realised that the Gold Club was a pay-to-beta club.
    That should go down well with the Gold Members who weren't aware and were expecting to get new features before us plebs.

    I was thinking of joining the beta test program, but not now.
    Subscriptions are not for me, I get my enjoyment out of route building and landscaping, not being a driver (except for testing) or collector of everything available.
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    Nugget - so far no-one else has reported any crash issues placing splines. The issue is most likely related to "placing splines in your route", so the solution is to submit a bug report here: https://n3vgames.typeform.com/to/xRdryu and include a link to your route so that we can try the exact same steps and hopefully get the same problem, which we can then fix.

    Euromodeller - you may change your mind when you see one of the features for the next update, which is very much aimed at route builders.

    Malc - there will be plenty of beta testing opportunities in the future for non-members, but not just right now. Please be patient and your turn will come.

    The current release is a beta and is optional for members to install (as is the official release for that matter). To say the whole concept of membership is about paying to be a beta tester is well wide of the mark. Paying for membership provides for access to a wider range of DLC, an FCT, a 25% discount, previews of new content and, as part of the package, added features each quarter. Apart from paying monthly, it's no different to the way things worked for TANE. You have to pay to get the product, then you can, if you want, become involved in the testing phase.

    Ultimately, as Developer and Publisher of Trainz, we made the decision to introduce memberships. As expected, they are popular with a subset of our community. They aren't going away. What they are going to do is help ensure that Trainz grows stronger over time, and that will benefit everyone.

    If everyone who owned TRS19 joined, then we could probably double our team size and deliver more new features and content more quickly. Actually, if everyone who owned TANE bought TRS19 right now (or became a member), we could grow the team even more.

    Meanwhile, it's going to be a long two years if we continue to see these same negative comments coming out in every thread involving memberships.
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    Paying for membership provides for access to a wider range of DLC, an FCT, a 25% discount, previews of new content and, as part of the package
    Yes I understand that however unfortunately none of that is any use to me as primarily a content creator and route builder and member of the somewhat depleted CRG.
    If there was a cheaper subscription option for creators, who provide you with free content, that did not include the unwanted freebies vault stuff, previews and discounts for DLC we don't need complicating the route building by using Payware assets in error and just enabled access to plus stuff relating to content and route creation you might get some interest ;o) I'll get my coat.....
    Malc


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    G'Day,

    Anyone seeing the "Downloading Content Popup Box" moving up the screen after each asset is installed until it disappears off the screen???

    My reason for asking is I've had machine problems over the last few days and have not "bug reported" the problem, until it is confirmed its not just at my end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_Hilliam View Post
    Meanwhile, it's going to be a long two years if we continue to see these same negative comments coming out in every thread involving memberships.
    Unfortunately it will be a long two years for that very reason. I do not have Gold/Silver membership but that was a decision that I made knowing that I would miss out on a lot of "goodies" as a result and I am not complaining. I will make do with what I get as an ordinary (or "Mud Subscription Member") and I do not begrudge the Gold subscribers for the benefits they receive - good luck to them, they are paying for the privilege! Those new features will eventually become available to us non-subscribers in the next version of Trainz - as it always has done.

    In the modern world you pay for what you get but who among us wouldn't like to get it all for nothing, which I suspect is where at least a part of the negativity is coming from. In the past we have had posters asking why, as owners of the previous "latest and greatest" version of Trainz, they could not "upgrade" to the new "latest and greatest" version for free. If that was the case then GM, Ford, Toyota, etc would never "sell" any new models.

    As a content creator myself, I am not concerned about "missing out" on any advantages that the new features might bring me. I look at this way - when I do get the new features they will have been thoroughly tested, debugged and written about so I will have all the benefits of the Gold Members hard work - keep it up fellas and sheilas.
    A member of the "Party Machine". Now if only I could remember where they are holding the party!

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    I became a Gold member not to become a beta tester but rather to support Trainz. I am concerned that beta testing should be restricted only to Gold members. I can say from personal experience that beta testing takes a lot of time, patience, and in many cases a very good understanding of the "engine" behind TS2019. I stopped being a beta tester because as I grew older I lacked all three of these attributes. I decided I wanted to spend my time just enjoying what we have.

    But I am really bothered by the fact that some of the old reliable beta testers are not included in helping debug the future upgrades. I think this is very short sighted. TS2019 has turned out to be the most bug free version since I have been using Trainz since version 2004. This is a result of both some major improvements in the "engine" but also the unbelievable dedication of some of the beta testers.

    But again, and this may only be me, I became a Gold member not to have early access to some things that may or may not become a permanent part of the game, but rather to support N3V. It would be interesting to know what percentage of the "core" beta testers of the past two years are Gold members. If its less then 50% I think we have a problem for future releases.

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    Malc, I am definitely cogniscent of your situation, and realise that right now it seems to you that "owners" are "on the outer", but that isn't the case at all.

    It is fine if none of the subscription features are of interest to you, but imagine for a moment that it didn't exist at all. How that would effect existing users like yourself?

    We would be in the middle of a ~two year process to add sufficient features and content in preparation for a new major release that we could sell to our [still growing, believe it or not] community.

    At some time in 2020 or perhaps later we would be asking for beta testers for the new features (perhaps it initially would be a closed beta, invite only).

    The usability of the current version is not impacted by any of this.

    Enjoy TRS19 for what it is today (which is certainly the best ever version, in no small part due to the lengthy beta testing periods through the last 3 years for TANE and then TRS19 - so thanks to everyone who assisted there).

    When we need more testers (and we will), we will be putting the call out for volunteers once more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clam1952 View Post
    If there was a cheaper subscription option for creators, who provide you with free content, that did not include the unwanted freebies vault stuff, previews and discounts for DLC we don't need complicating the route building by using Payware assets in error and just enabled access to plus stuff relating to content and route creation you might get some interest
    Hear, hear.

    This been my wish too ever since I saw the two subscription options, why not a third for the creator people.
    I have a Lifetime Download Ticket, I don't run trains e, I like(d) to create and play around with the create my world thingy and while I'm not active with Trainz at the moment due to even harder life issues then before, I still keep the interest alive by visiting the Forum and I have a wish to check out the newest Trainz but so far has not done that due to several reasons unrelated to Trainz itself.

    Just my thinking.

    Linda

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    My sentiments are with Malc and others who support Trainz because of what it means to them. I don't give a fig for the monthly free content because I will never use it. My interests are solely around making content, helping those with more artistic capability than I to make content, and supporting those who actually run trains in Trainz through my work in the CRG. I have no idea what is happening with the TrainzDev group but it seems dead to me.

    I'm a Gold Member solely because I thought it the right thing to do, but I am really wondering if I am wasting my time.

    Paul


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