Streaming Thing???

What is the advantage to the customer by sending data from some cloud-center versus getting the same data directly from the customer's local disk? It is obvious that the security vulnerabilities are raised. It is yet another pathway into your PC. NO data center is immune from hacking. As our cultural degradation has become the norm so have security violations. I simply trust nothing I get from the sewerage system called the WEB.

People who have grown up in the internet environment have learned to expect, and accept, security issues as daily life. Why would N3V dive into the messy Internet? I see a revenue motive but nothing else.

So, the prime question - Will I be forced to adopt a cloud based product or can I continue to download, scan and adopt versions of the Trainz system?

As an aside - I run three different anti-virus programs concurrently and TRS19 gives me 30fps on heavily asset populated routes. Yes, you can run multiple security programs at once -- Defender-periodic scans, Malwarebytes-scans and realtime protections, Webroot-scans and realtime protection. Also, a managed Windows10 firewall. Some of my email addresses are out in the "dark web" but I have never had a bad experience - LONG passwords.

I am completely in the dark about where this is coming from. Have I missed something? Have N3V recently and secretly announced some new and diabolical plan to put everything on a cloud server while I was busy watching the football match?

As an aside (asides seem to be popular here) - are not the DLS and DLC already on some sort of "cloud" service?

So exactly who is proposing to force you to adopt a cloud based Trainz product?

pware said:

I am completely in the dark about where this is coming from. Have I missed something? Have N3V recently and secretly announced some new and diabolical plan to put everything on a cloud server while I was busy watching the football match?

As an aside (asides seem to be popular here) - are not the DLS and DLC already on some sort of "cloud" service?

So exactly who is proposing to force you to adopt a cloud based Trainz product?

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Unless he's just name-dropping (which seems unlikely), you might consider the possibility that he knows something you don't. (Personally, I stopped updating Trainz when the Daemon first appeared.)

Likewise, I must have missed the memo or I don't understand the OP's issue. All trainz versions are installed locally on my PC and some call home to validate. Other than that there is no cloud on my horizon. The DLS might be called a cloud or it's just another remote server.

The streaming-thing that you are mentioning, if I'm correct has nothing to do with stuff being online. This has to do with internal data streaming threads within the program in order to help it perform better. Instead of all the content being referenced in memory at once as we did in TS12, T:ANE SP2 and up has implemented data streaming. With data being loaded in smaller chunks, the processor and video card can handle the data quicker rather than using up all the available resources in RAM, which will eventually cause performance problems. We see this with TS12 as routes begin to run slower and slower over time as the resources get eaten up.

T:ANE doesn't have all the APIs enabled for it at this time, however, TRS19 does. The biggest issue will be scripts which heed updating to work with this, however, we have a Maximum Compatibility Mode option in TRS19 to allow things to work in the old-fashion way.

A better explanation can be found here:

https://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?148163-Asynchronous-Route-Streaming

Ok, I thought that this was Internet streaming/cloud processing. I also have a strong bias against the Internet as expressed.

boleyd said:

Ok, I thought that this was Internet streaming/cloud processing. I also have a strong bias against the Internet as expressed.

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I can understand the confusion and can relate as well. Having everything on a server has its advantages and disadvantages, but I too prefer my data to be local as well.

Indeed. Why can’t we go back to the good old days when if you wanted to share something you posted everybody a floppy disk? Oh, wait, nobody has a floppy drive these days. Have to stick with the Internet then.

Paul

Paranoia is strong with this one...
I still have a USB 2.0 portable floppy disk drive here somewhere that I haven't needed to use for over 7 years now (and even then it was for an attempt to run a DOS-based game called Privateer 2 for purely nostalgic reasons).
Almost all of my carefully-stored 5.25 inch floppy disks have rusted away in the meantime...
My biz-card still has 'Internet Evangelist' as a byline since I enthusiastically embraced it soon after it escaped DARPA and set up one of the first Internet Access Provider/ ISP businesses in the country.

Send stuff via dropping it into your Free Skype IM dialog box

I too still have a USB floppy drive, as you have not used in eons, BUT, I know one day some one will come to and say I lost my hard drive and the only backup I have is on this funny little disk!

:'hehe:

boleyd said:

I also have a strong bias against the Internet as expressed.

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With justification. All the cases of personal data accounts being stolen by the millions, web sites hacked, fake accounts, trolling, etc gives me pause every time I connect. Most of these cases can be put down to poor security on the part of users and service providers.

The time I spent working in network IT support revealed to me that while most people will take the time and effort to secure their personal valuables (wallet, purse, etc) they seem to give no thoughts to posting online personal details (name, address, phone number), credit card numbers, etc. I guess it will take a bad personal experience for people to "get the message".

HA! Speaking of floppy drives I just used mine to read some old disks I had in a box. Most of the disks were still good, but others have ceased to function. I also came across some early Trainz TRS2004 backups on a few CDs. This backup made in late 2005 fit my complete TRS2004 downloads plus other data backups. I got side-tracked reading through some of the information I had saved back then. There's some good info in there including how to setup the Emit Now rule.

What I don't miss about floppies is installing software. Here some package comes with 15 floppy disks that you'd think will be used sequentially, but nope of course not! You spend the next 45 minutes flipping disks from one pile to another and jumbling them up and then finally the last disk goes in only to fail to read due to a disk access error!

Crunch, crunch, click, click, buzzzz, click. "Disk access error" A)bort, R)etry, F)ail.

When CD-ROMs first came out I was in heaven, and when CDRs first came out I was gleefully in heaven. I used the new technology at that time to copy many of my floppies to CDs and later on DVDs.

But alas, yes the network and the internet really are our savior. I had an NT 4.0 SP6a server running with 60GB of disk space, which was a lot back then. I replaced that with a Sun Ultra10 running Solaris 9, and finally a NAS box which needs to be replaced soon(tm). There are no disks needed to flip, flop, and scratch. It's so much easier to map a drive and install.

We are stuck with a flawed data transport medium. It used to be the medium (cable and fiber). Then your personal computer. Now it is simply hacking the local banks servicer and getting your money. When they open that financial manager in the morning don't most people have just a little cringe.

boleyd said:

When they open that financial manager in the morning don't most people have just a little cringe.

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You have to put it in perspective. In my youth (before computers) I had to carry a significant quantity of cash on my person if I had to make a big purchase. I was always somewhat, perhaps irrationally, worried that I might be mugged on the way out of the bank. In my Army Reserve days (our National Guard) I was once the sole and unarmed escort for a very large cash payroll from the bank to the barracks. My orders, if there was a robbery, was to "simply hand it over". For my normal job I was paid by cheque which I had to take to the bank to be cashed or deposited in my account. On the odd occasion the cheque was late arriving.

Today I carry a debit card which needs a pin code to use or I can purchase online via a secure payment service that does not involve me handing over my credit card number. I have a credit card which I only use for emergencies. My salary is deposited straight into my account electronically exactly on time every fortnight. I now carry very little cash and very rarely have to visit the bank. In that respect I feel a lot safer today than I did years ago and my life is a lot more convenient.

Certainly, you are now less likely to be mugged on the street for the contents of your wallet. The modern day "mugger" sits behind a computer screen and his target is not the individual wage earner. But on balance, I feel that things have improved.

All very interesting. Remind me how this matters to the Trainz user?