Why trains suck in America: passenger train service, that is

JonMyrlennBailey

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Tracks are mostly owned by private companies in America.
Private RRs give priority to freight, nor people on their rails.
Tracks are mostly publicly owned in Europe.
There is little rail freight in Europe.

There is not much tax funding in America for railroad improvement.
The high-speed rail line from SF to LA in California may prove a huge boondoggle.
50% or more of European passenger rail service is publicly subsidized.

In the long run, and for the most part, America's trains work best for heavy loads of freight which don't have to get anywhere in a hurry.

There are very few passenger rail routes in America that have significant advantage over bus, plane and car travel.

It is still cheaper to go from Sacramento to SF by Greyhound than by Amtrak. Modern Greyhound buses are quite comfortable and air-conditioned with polite drivers.

The Washington DC to New York corridor might make sense for Amtrak travel unless you will find a better deal on a Greyhound ticket that may only cost you a little more travel time.

It's virtually impossible to park a car in downtown New York City.

Does America need a national public "STEEL highway" (railway) network as it has for concrete/asphalt motor highways?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbEfzuCLoAQ
 
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The biggest issue is funding. The US government (in particular, one party in the government) doesn't want to fund railroads in general & as a policy will fight tooth & nail to kill any rail funding (individually the politicians do support some rail).

The freight railroads are mandated by law to give passenger trains right of way, however there is no oversight enforcing this (or very little). And the host RRs have successfully argued that they only have to give passenger trains right of way when they are on time. Once a train is behind schedule, they loose their priority.

Depends on what you consider an advantage. Amtrak is generally cheaper than flying... advantage there. They offer more amenities & are usually faster then a bus... advantage there. Lets look at my local line:
Amtrak usually costs about $30 & takes about 4hrs to go from the busiest station (Ann Arbor) to downtown Chicago.
Greyhound will cost you about $20, but takes 5.5hrs & you don't get a cafe car, or options to upgrade, and you have less comfortable seats.
Flying will cost you close to $200, and requires you to drive out to the airport; so while the flight is only 1.5hrs, add an hour for getting into the airport, another 2.5hrs to get to & from the airports (not including getting a rental car)... we're up to Greyhound times now.

Of course long distance trains are going to be different.


Personally I think publicizing the infrastructure could work well here in the US. It ideally would lead to private firms taking over the passenger rail business, which would make some politicians happy & would most likely see the increase of service & quality on our networks as the private firms would have to compete with each other.

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Sadly ... As to all of your questions in many of your threads "Why do things suck so much" ..."That is ... What is is ... and it will always be that way ... a truly Super Sucky infrastructure"

It will Never change in your lifetime, so you need to get over it, and accept the "Suckyness"

Railroads have always been a private enterprise, were they cut costs, to make money, and Amtrak is running in the RED, and will never be profitable

Unions will protect your job, but they still are a "Money Grubbing Mafia", that are blatantly stealing your money, hand over fist

Don't look now ... but your Naivety is showing

YAPT: Yet Another Pointless Tread
 
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Sadly ... As to all of your questions in many of your threads "Why do things suck so much" ..."That is ... What is is ... and it will always be that way ... a truly Super Sucky infrastructure"

It will Never change in your lifetime, so you need to get over it, and accept the "Suckyness"

Railroads have always been a private enterprise, were they cut costs, to make money, and Amtrak is running in the RED, and will never be profitable

Unions will protect your job, but they still are a "Money Grubbing Mafia", that are blatantly stealing your money, hand over fist

Don't look now ... but your Naivety is showing

YAPT: Yet Another Pointless Tread


Amtrak's been running in the red for almost 50 years, hasn't stopped them yet.

You know why other countries have better rail infrastructure? They pay for it. They SUBSIDIZE it. They realize that it isn't about making money but doing something that will benefit the public at large. Unfortunately for us, our government has been too incompotent to realize that. Republicans believe that if something doesn't make money, its worthless. That's not entirely true. Amtrak provides a public service, an alternative and VIABLE transportation option. But they never got a fair chance to compete. Road gets subsidized. Airports get subsidized. Yet Amtrak is supposed to somehow make ends meet while we're off invading countries based on a lie.

Just a few weeks ago, Congress appropriated 1.9 billion dollars to Amtrak, a funding record. Amtrak should've been getting this level of funding long ago. Expand services, offer more competitive times, show that Amtrak can hold their own against the caddle prods of the airlines and the congestion on our highways. If anything is going to make Amtrak more money, it's going to be the corridor trains.

I don't agree with everything said in that video (completely ignored the Chicago hub and the numerous corridors that radiate from the Windy City), but if we want to catch up to the UK, we need to cut military spending and start investing in ourselves.

Below is an example of an expanded Chicago Hub plan that I found on Amtrak Unlimited.

MICHIGAN SERVICES:

Bring the International back, routed via Detroit to Toronto.

Add 356/357 and 358/359 to the Wolverine route on the holiday schedule. Utilize the renovated MCS in Detroit as a "mini-hub" for Amtrak, with 350-355 and 360-363 terminating there and 356-359 continuing to Pontiac.

Add 366/367 to the Blue Water route to provide mid-day service to that region. It's a real pain to get up on the weekend to go home and you aren't able to take CATA to LNS (since they don't start running until 10). Additionally, the 8:40 AM WB arrival interferes with class schedules.

Add 372/373 between DET and GRR over the CSX Plymouth Sub. This line sees very little traffic (a couple road trains, a local, and as occasional unit grain). Hand 'er over to MDOT/Amtrak and upgrade it for 110 MPH.

Turn MCS into a mini-hub. Sure, Ford owns the building, but since they're only keeping four passenger tracks, there's sufficient space to make an addition and move Amtrak's offices from Pontiac to the MCS. That would all have to be negotiated though.

360/361 and 362/363 as DET-TOL-CIN, connecting with the CL in Toledo and Cardinal in Cincinnati.

368/369 for a Detroit* to Traverse City service under the "Michigander" name, calling at Howell, Durand, Mt. Pleasant, Cadillac, and Traverse City.

*I say Detroit instead of GR because, although GR is closer, the infrastructure doesn't exist to operate directly between GR and Traverse City. Plus, GR is a stub-end station.


WISCONSIN/MINNESOTA SERVICES:

North Coast Limited (instead of North Coast Hiawatha to avoid confusion with the current Hiawatha), CHI-MSP on a schedule akin to the Wolverine's current schedule.

Expand the Hiawatha schedule to include two more pairs


ILLINOIS SERVICES:

Reinstatement of the Black Hawk, Chicago to Dubuque, IA, under numbers 374-377

Implementation of service to the Quad Cities under the "Quad Cities Zephyr" banner, number 385-388.

Additional trains for the Lincoln Service.

This plan adds more options for travelers, especially in Michigan, where service currently doesn't exist between Michigan's two largest cities, the Blue Water and Pere Marquette are only once a day in each direction and are at rather inconvenient times, and the Wolverine, the most popular (and frequent) route, adding new EB times in the morning and new WB times in the afternoon.
 
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Have always said that it is sad the way passenger rail is on America compared to most of the rest of us in the world at large. The point that freight is the main thing whereas elsewhere passengers have much greater a place is shown in Trainz. Here in GB Trainzers tend to be very much passenger orientated whereas in US freight inclination the thing. I am also fortunate in that my part of the kingdom north of the Border has had old passenger lines brought back and doing well!
 
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