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    Quote Originally Posted by philskene View Post
    GreyArea --

    The definitive primer for Model Trainz is this video:



    It's always very helpful to take to pieces an existing layout to see how things fit together. For instance, in my later layouts I use terra-forming to drop the floor rather than the dig hole method in the video.

    As for basic track laying, always ALWAYS use a curve template. My favourite is "90d_100-400m Template" from the Download Station. And remember to use the straighten tool, particularly at switches (ops -- points). If you want to see how one of my layouts progressed, Post #2593 onwards in this thread:

    https://forums.auran.com/trainz/show...lroadz/page173

    Phil
    Ye Gods.

    My plans for tonight (assuming I don't get sucked into Frontier Developments' Elite: Dangerous livestream) basically involve 'making a simple oval' to get to grips with basic track laying and the camera. In my very brief attempts to use the camera (ie just moving around the layout) I found it very twitchy, but I guess it's just familiarity.

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    If you are interested in setting the scene for a UK model railway layout, 1:76 scale, by creating a railway room as well as the layout, look for assets by itareus (walls, floor, pictures,baseboard edging etc. - names beginning C+ MR ...) and by myself (table, chair, cupboards, replica railway signs, etc ...) - ray_whiley, KUId 275815, names beginning DDD MR ... There are some screenshots of my MR layouts on my (unfinished) web site,
    https://raystrainz.wordpress.com

    Welcome to the Trainz Model Railway Club!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ray_whiley View Post
    If you are interested in setting the scene for a UK model railway layout, 1:76 scale, by creating a railway room as well as the layout, look for assets by itareus (walls, floor, pictures,baseboard edging etc. - names beginning C+ MR ...) and by myself (table, chair, cupboards, replica railway signs, etc ...) - ray_whiley, KUId 275815, names beginning DDD MR ... There are some screenshots of my MR layouts on my (unfinished) web site,
    https://raystrainz.wordpress.com

    Welcome to the Trainz Model Railway Club!

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    Thank you! I'm not quite looking to recreate the room itself just yet - that's a wee bit beyond my ambitions currently However, thanks for the information and the link.

    I'm currently watching 'Rudysmodelrailway's Youtube tutorials, and I must say I'm finding them very useful. He starts nice and simply with basic track laying, then progresses slowly to things like points (switches) and signals. I'm currently on basic routes and it's fascinating stuff.
    Last edited by GreyAreaUK; February 8th, 2018 at 09:46 AM.

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    Another bit of advice if working from a model track plan is to expand the area a little say by 20% or so, which will allow things to fit a bit easier and mitigate the sharpest curves. There's a plethora of plans out there but think it's generally accepted even in model railway circles that some of those - notably the C.J. Freezer ones in the Peco publications - could never have been built as drawn.

    On the other hand don't do what I did with my first attempt at Banbury Connections and double the size as it ended up too spread out and I've now abandoned it as, frankly, more challenging to get right than building part of the real railway through Banbury.

    And OT but in the spirit of earlier comments, it's o7 from me too having joined the ranks of ED last Christmas. Seizewell Warrior on the FDev forum and in game but only running in Solo Mode so as not to get griefed/ganked. Just started my first trip out to Colonia then on to Sag* A, currently playing chicken with brown stars en route to the corridor in my AspX. Maybe see you guys out there sometime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vern View Post
    Another bit of advice if working from a model track plan is to expand the area a little say by 20% or so, which will allow things to fit a bit easier and mitigate the sharpest curves. There's a plethora of plans out there but think it's generally accepted even in model railway circles that some of those - notably the C.J. Freezer ones in the Peco publications - could never have been built as drawn.

    On the other hand don't do what I did with my first attempt at Banbury Connections and double the size as it ended up too spread out and I've now abandoned it as, frankly, more challenging to get right than building part of the real railway through Banbury.

    And OT but in the spirit of earlier comments, it's o7 from me too having joined the ranks of ED last Christmas. Seizewell Warrior on the FDev forum and in game but only running in Solo Mode so as not to get griefed/ganked. Just started my first trip out to Colonia then on to Sag* A, currently playing chicken with brown stars en route to the corridor in my AspX. Maybe see you guys out there sometime.
    Thanks for the advice on that - I'd like to get into some simple plans at some point soon, so the advice of scaling up slightly will be very useful.

    Can the plan be scaled (or even manipulated significantly) from within Trainz/Surveyor, or is that something that needs doing externally in another package (Photoshop/Pixelmator, etc)?

    OT: (Elite) I'm guessing by your Frontier name that the X-Universe games have also played a part? I played up to X3: Reunion. Enjoyed them. Re Elite - I'm safe to say this here, but always remember it's just a game, and there's no 'true' mode. Play in the mode that gives you, personally, the best experience. o7, Commander

    (For the more mystified viewers - I came to Trainz via asking questions on the forum of another game - Elite: Dangerous. It's a sort of massive (really, really massive) space game that defies absolute definitions. Within that game lore, 'o7' is a salute)

    We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

    Last night I managed to grab an hour or so, and not only did I successfully lay down a simple track (a double oval with some points and two trains), but it actually worked and didn't catch fire or spontaneously melt. I'm counting that as a solid win

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    Re. scaling up - my approach is to imagine what I would have done given the space, time and finance and to increase the "radius" of curves and turnouts but to maintain the track spacing, otherwise everything looks wrong. The standard track spacing of UK track in Trainz is 3.5 metres and to achieve these I made a number of what I call "way gauges" for two, three and four tracks (other spacers are available!) and go for a minimum radius of 100 metres, using fixed track curves and then replacing them with spline track. For crossovers, I use a minimum of 50 metres between blade tips. These are my standards only and I am not suggesting that they should be used by others - to each his own! as I have said elsewhere. For realism I ensure that all tracks are within arm's length of the baseboard edge in order to deal with possible derailments - not an issue in Trainz, but I want a layout to be as realistic as possible. I also imagine when the layout was built, as well as the period it represents, and my favourite time for the former is my earlier modelling years, that is the early 1960s - so for me, everything I do has to have been possible at that time.

    It's good fun!

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    Yes indeed Ray, scaling up can require a bit of eyeballing to put the tracks back at the correct spacing, where the individual lines become further apart. You basically need to decide which of the black lines will be your marker line and follow that.

    OT: (Elite) I'm guessing by your Frontier name that the X-Universe games have also played a part? I played up to X3: Reunion. Enjoyed them. Re Elite - I'm safe to say this here, but always remember it's just a game, and there's no 'true' mode. Play in the mode that gives you, personally, the best experience. o7, Commander
    Up to X-Rebirth though I waited until most of the bugs had been sorted out. I play quite a variety of PC games, not just train sims and space games. However there's something abot ED that focuses the imagination and yes, the official forum is a minefield for the unwary - makes this place look like a kiddie playground at times.
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    I've experimented with the model railroad thing myself and found yes you need to play with the scaling a bit. There's a route which has fascinated me since I first saw it in a model railroad book many years ago. It has a nice out and back setup with a branch and is supposed to fit in a room. If it was built "to scale" as drawn, a human could not fit in the aisle between the layout as it wrapped around the room! I really wonder how many other great model railroad plans are drawn to look pretty for printing in books, but never take that stuff into consideration.

    To get this to work and look right at the same time, I scaled the plan up in the included Basemapz program that comes with TMR2017. This took a few trials to get the proportions right so that the layout wasn't distorted and the aisle space was wide enough to stand in. When I started building, I used the route heights, done in inches and converted to meters, to get the proper height for bridges and grades. I never finished the project, what else is new, but it was fun while I worked on it. I might go back and have a look again when I get some time after my eye surgery.
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    Vern - I seem to have lost the post I just wrote so here it is again!

    Just for the record, I do not scan MR plans but place track directly on the Trainz baseboard following the station plans etc. but scaling u to increase the lengths of stations and "radius" of curves etc. I use platforms and stations I made years ago with Surveyor only markers showing the centre lines of tracks from platform edges and in the case of opposite platforms the track centres as well. I also make extensive use of my "way gauges", laying two and connecting them with spline track - as the track on the gauges is set to update to connected track, they can either be left in place or replaced later.

    Personally, I would find a scanned plan unhelpful as the track lines would be too wide anyway - but that's my way of doing things!

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    If you're interested in model railroad plans, check out those available for download from Kalmbach Publishing who publishes the famous Model Railroader Magazine.

    https://kalmbachhobbystore.com/catal...30ecbb3d8664dd

    Sample:
    https://kalmbachhobbystore.com/produ...nload/mrpdf068

    At one time Kalmbach offered the 101 Trackplans book in digital format, now they have a John Armstrong Best of Series, which most likely contains plans from this book.

    If you have access to a scanner, you can scan them yourself, which I did. It takes some trial and error though to get the images to come out as squarely as possible.


    There's SCARM also which has some nice simple plans which can be scaled as needed. Some of them were created by others, but you can build your own using the SCARM software.

    http://www.scarm.info/layouts/track_plans.php
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    John - as the OP is interested mainly in UK railways, may I add my recommendation of plans by C J Freezer, published over many years when he was editor of two British railway modelling magazines - they appeared monthly in magazines and in many books which are no doubt still available. In particular, I recommend PSL Book of Model Railway Track Plans. This covers a variety of locations, some small and toy-like but others for the loft or garage, and I have used several of these as inspiration in Trainz, especially the station plans from the larger ones which are authentic for GB. Just imagine a large garage or loft , as one Trainz baseboard equals about 31 feet square in 4mm/1:76 scale - I had a loft about this size when I lived in a bungalow, and as for the garage - just imagine winning a lottery!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ray_whiley View Post
    John - as the OP is interested mainly in UK railways, may I add my recommendation of plans by C J Freezer, published over many years when he was editor of two British railway modelling magazines - they appeared monthly in magazines and in many books which are no doubt still available. In particular, I recommend PSL Book of Model Railway Track Plans. This covers a variety of locations, some small and toy-like but others for the loft or garage, and I have used several of these as inspiration in Trainz, especially the station plans from the larger ones which are authentic for GB. Just imagine a large garage or loft , as one Trainz baseboard equals about 31 feet square in 4mm/1:76 scale - I had a loft about this size when I lived in a bungalow, and as for the garage - just imagine winning a lottery!

    Ray
    Yes! Those are awesome track plans as well. I think I have some somewhere in my book collections and I must dig through some boxes in the closet (again).

    A OO route on a 4 x 8 is a good sized layout, but doing that in N-scale (1:160) and it becomes a small empire.

    A garage sized layout was always a dream when I was a kid as I sat at my small 2 x 4 layout that fit under my bed. Even back then when a loco could be had for $7.95 and a switch for $3.00, meant dad would need to win the lottery too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by philskene View Post
    GreyArea --

    The definitive primer for Model Trainz is this video:

    It's always very helpful to take to pieces an existing layout to see how things fit together. For instance, in my later layouts I use terra-forming to drop the floor rather than the dig hole method in the video.

    As for basic track laying, always ALWAYS use a curve template. My favorite is "90d_100-400m Template" from the Download Station. And remember to use the straighten tool, particularly at switches (ops -- points). If you want to see how one of my layouts progressed, Post #2593 onwards in this thread:

    https://forums.auran.com/trainz/show...lroadz/page173

    Phil
    Good Day Phil, never knew this guy existed, another GEM in the rough, thank you for the Tip......

    Definitely will work better than my old Eyes trying to line those curves up.

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    ISTR Railway Modeller in the mid-late 70's/early 80's had a number of Plans Of The Month based on intriguing solutions for prototype situations. A few that come to mind were Liskeard to Looe, North Woolwich + the Silvertown Tramway, Maidenhead to Marlow. These would make excellent projects for a TMR project but seems Peco have the copyright tied up pretty tight even on these 40 year old magazines, as I've never come across them published on line - officially or unofficially.

    Sadly my back issues of RM were long since consigned to the bin/recycle many house moves ago, on the grounds I was unlikely to build a real MR again. If only I had known then, etc...
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    I see that marky7890 has just released Liskeard to Looe KUID 179051:100088 for T:ANE SP2 - not a virtual model railway, but may be of interest. See https://forums.auran.com/trainz/show...skeard-to-Looe

    Vern - the Plans of the Month were very interesting and I drooled over each one in turn! I also remember Euston as a garage or club layout - and for anyone wanting to try out virtual railway modelling, Minories, a city suburban terminus, would take some beating and could be built in a very short time. I'll have a look through my back copies when I have some free time - they date from the late fifties through to when I moved to Trainz (AGE!) but are unfortunately a) not catalogued and b) not in complete year sets because I have the habit of taking out interesting ones to look at! As a "proper" Trainz route I'm working on a more recent RM suggestion for a layout based on the current Isle of Wight system - not much operating interest but I'm more interested in scenery, anyway. As a VMR, I'm doing a completely fictitious Sun Hill to Dock Green on one board - UK readers will no doubt know where the names came from!

    As a thought, back copies of RM are often available at model railway exhibitions and some can be bought from specialist retailers, or used to be - I'm out of touch these days apart from buying the odd copy of RM or CM for old time's sake.

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