Clam shell crane/hoist?
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I've made a few items over the years with working (animated and interactive) clamshells but only one might be in that timeframe and it was designed to go on a dock to unload ships or barges. Do you have a photo or drawing of what you have in mind? I might be able to modify one of the ones I've made.
BTW - animating a clamshell is a nightmare, lol.
Ben
BTW - animating a clamshell is a nightmare, lol.
Ben
euromodeller
Imagineer
Would a steam shovel of 1890-1930 be of use?
JBS Steam shovel by jananton
2 versions, tracked and wheeled.
<kuid:307559:1115> JBS SteamShovel wheelbased
<kuid:307559:1116> JBS SteamShovel catbased
JBS Steam shovel by jananton
2 versions, tracked and wheeled.
<kuid:307559:1115> JBS SteamShovel wheelbased
<kuid:307559:1116> JBS SteamShovel catbased
Thanks euromodeller, I do have those, some of my favorites in fact. But not quite what I was looking for.
Ben, I do have these shots
From the University of California (Sacramento Public Library) - Sacramento Roundhouse 1868
From the University of California (Sacramento Public Library)
But I think this might be a chain hoist for wood fuel, can't see the business end. Edit: further research seems to indicate this was a coal yard.
I wasn't looking for animation really, just a "simple" derrick like your <kuid2:210518:8980:1> "YVRR Stiff-Leg Derrick" with a clamshell on the end would do nicely. For that matter just the clamshell, closed or open would work as we could then position it onto any derrick we might like. Maybe in a couple of sizes?
Edit: I know I've seen something like this on a couple of European routes but I can't find it anywhere so far.
And speaking of animation, vincentrh did this marvelous <kuid2:458053:101919:2> Cherbourg : mobile coal crane but it doesn't quite fit in my scene.
Ben, I do have these shots
From the University of California (Sacramento Public Library) - Sacramento Roundhouse 1868
From the University of California (Sacramento Public Library)
But I think this might be a chain hoist for wood fuel, can't see the business end. Edit: further research seems to indicate this was a coal yard.
I wasn't looking for animation really, just a "simple" derrick like your <kuid2:210518:8980:1> "YVRR Stiff-Leg Derrick" with a clamshell on the end would do nicely. For that matter just the clamshell, closed or open would work as we could then position it onto any derrick we might like. Maybe in a couple of sizes?
Edit: I know I've seen something like this on a couple of European routes but I can't find it anywhere so far.
And speaking of animation, vincentrh did this marvelous <kuid2:458053:101919:2> Cherbourg : mobile coal crane but it doesn't quite fit in my scene.
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Norm:
I took a screenshot of one of thses photos and printed it out for reference. My clamshell is probably too big but if it dioesn't have to be animated I can reduce it in size with the Gmax scaling tool. Let me poke ariound in my items and see what I can come up with (always fun as I can never remember what I called things, lol). Perhaps I can put some items together and come up with somthing.
Will get back to you.
Ben
I took a screenshot of one of thses photos and printed it out for reference. My clamshell is probably too big but if it dioesn't have to be animated I can reduce it in size with the Gmax scaling tool. Let me poke ariound in my items and see what I can come up with (always fun as I can never remember what I called things, lol). Perhaps I can put some items together and come up with somthing.
Will get back to you.
Ben
The WP&Y used a lot of guys like that. I call them BSG's (Big Sweaty Guys, lol).
Took a quick run thru my items list and it appears I have 3 or 4 that might be suitable. Let me see what I can come up with in addition to a stand alone clamshell (one in the open and one in the closed position). Hum - come to think of it just connecting a clamshell to the hook might not be too prototypical due to the way they worked. Wouldn't be a problem for items I made as I can delete the hook and modify things as needed but might look slightly odd just added to someone else's item.
Ben
Took a quick run thru my items list and it appears I have 3 or 4 that might be suitable. Let me see what I can come up with in addition to a stand alone clamshell (one in the open and one in the closed position). Hum - come to think of it just connecting a clamshell to the hook might not be too prototypical due to the way they worked. Wouldn't be a problem for items I made as I can delete the hook and modify things as needed but might look slightly odd just added to someone else's item.
Ben
Yep, that's a pneumatic coal loader. As far as I can tell, they had a hook on the end of the line, and hoisted buckets of coal to the top of the tender where they were dumped. I believe CSRM may have one somewhere.
I put a simple model of one on the DLS; KUID:124060:60091 - though without any buckets....
Wow that's nice although I have to disagree that that is what is pictured at the Sac. yard. You can see the guy leaning into the wheels at the base and the chain running up over the pulley at the top, along the arm, and over the pulley at the end. Although I do agree it is likely a bucket hoist rather than a clamshell. Looks like it is probably a three guy operation, one guy filling buckets, the guy cranking the wheel, and the guy sitting on the top of the tender dumping the buckets. I wonder how long it took them to load a tender.
euromodeller
Imagineer
Norm,
Here are some more German kohle (coal) bits and pieces for you, including coal "buckets"
The large coal staith is animated, the coal bucket moves along the track to the end turntable which rotates!
<kuid2:32942:28001:1> kohlenbansen by coerni
The loading crane is controlable
<kuid2:32942:23006:1> controlable coalingcrane by coerni
The other bits are all by mick1960
<kuid:206616:100073> MV_Kohlehunt_halbvoll
<kuid:206616:100075> MV_Kohlehaufen
<kuid2:206616:100125:1> MV_Kohlekran
<kuid:206616:100136> MV_Kohlebansen
Maybe unsuitable for this route, but worth keeping in your locker!
Here are some more German kohle (coal) bits and pieces for you, including coal "buckets"
The large coal staith is animated, the coal bucket moves along the track to the end turntable which rotates!
<kuid2:32942:28001:1> kohlenbansen by coerni
The loading crane is controlable
<kuid2:32942:23006:1> controlable coalingcrane by coerni
The other bits are all by mick1960
<kuid:206616:100073> MV_Kohlehunt_halbvoll
<kuid:206616:100075> MV_Kohlehaufen
<kuid2:206616:100125:1> MV_Kohlekran
<kuid:206616:100136> MV_Kohlebansen
Maybe unsuitable for this route, but worth keeping in your locker!
Thanks EuroModeller it was Mick1960's stuff I was remembering. As you say not quite the fit I thought they would be, I'd forgotten they were bucket lifts. Very, very nice though. I've got so much stuff in my locker I can't find anything. 
If the handles where up on the buckets this would look pretty good. They should look very good with Pencil42's loader.
If the handles where up on the buckets this would look pretty good.
They should look very good with Pencil42's loader.
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blueodessey
Well-known member
:wave: A while back I was looking for some specialized Clam Shell equipment, and I didn't know where to look?
I do now after reading another excellent Thread discussion.......Thank you for your contributions.
I do now after reading another excellent Thread discussion.......Thank you for your contributions.euromodeller
Imagineer
Brilliant!
Are these clam buckets available for us mere mortals too?
If so, I can complete my steam depot scene in 2 of my routes.
An excellent thread and discussion, thank you.
Are these clam buckets available for us mere mortals too?
If so, I can complete my steam depot scene in 2 of my routes.
An excellent thread and discussion, thank you.
I've made 6 altogether. 3 different designs - each with an open and closed clamshell buckets. The closed ones have a coal load inside.
If you would like to see something really weird (but prototypical) check out my Thorn Berger Hoists which use a much wider clamshell bucket. They really existed and were fairly common until the Hewlett type unloaders came along. They were steam powered and were used to unload ships and barges at a dock. They are animated and interactive for coal and take a little setting up but if you are interested in a dock scene on an older (pre 1900) route they might be worth a peek.
Ben
If you would like to see something really weird (but prototypical) check out my Thorn Berger Hoists which use a much wider clamshell bucket. They really existed and were fairly common until the Hewlett type unloaders came along. They were steam powered and were used to unload ships and barges at a dock. They are animated and interactive for coal and take a little setting up but if you are interested in a dock scene on an older (pre 1900) route they might be worth a peek.
Ben