Microsoft will not support upcoming CPUs

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LNERlover5

Average Grad
This is quite interesting. Essentially, if one was to upgrade beyond the current crop of Intel Skylake and AMD Kaveri CPUs, Microsoft will simply not provide security updates to your machine unless you are using Windows 10. Quite an aggressive approach to forced adoption honestly.

However, considering CPU IPC hasn't really changed significantly enough to warrant regular upgrades, I can see this only really affecting individuals buying new components. Sandybridge CPU's are still considered good enough when overclocked because of this.

http://www.overclock3d.net/articles...t_support_upcoming_cpus_on_windows_7_or_8_1/1

Jack
 
Doesn't surprise me given Microsoft's desire to monopolise computing, I think they may find the authorities won't let them get away with deliberately withholding security updates from those Win7 users who choose to upgrade a processor while the OS is still supported though.

It might also hit potential sales of new processors which might not please AMD or Intel.
 
not a problem for most users that keep their old computers running for a long time. And, if you do upgrade, it is not going to be a problem, more encouraging to use Windows 10 anyways.
 
I don't see this as a problem. In fact, I see it as a good thing.

1: If you're building a new computer and not installing the latest version of Windows, you aren't doing it right. The Vista days are over.

2: If you are upgrading an existing computer, Windows will need to be re-installed anyway. Now's a good time for the free upgrade.

3: Less CPU/OS version combinations means less testing and less problems, a benefit for the smaller game developers.
 
I agree. Microsoft are doing a good thing.

There is no completely valid reason for why you would install an old OS on new hardware anymore... (some people would use the "it costs me less money to use what I already have" excuse, but so can MS, since it does costs them less to support fewer OS versions...)
 
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I agree. Microsoft are doing a good thing.

There is no completely valid reason for why you would install an old OS on new hardware anymore... (some people would use the "it costs me less money to use what I already have" excuse, but so can MS, since it does costs them less to support fewer OS versions...)
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Mre Aussie,

You need to read up on the many things wrong with Windows 10 (besides the spam-like marketing).

It loses many features of previous versions, not least Windows Media Centre, which allows you to install a TV tuner in your PC and use it as both a recorder & a player, as well as for many other things such as music and photos. There is no good (not even commercial) equivalent for those of us who want one machine to do it all. There are other facilities which are absent from Win10 that were in previous versions.

Many older software and hardware items will not work with Windows 10. Get ready to fork out more dosh to replace them. Forget also any easy use of DOS, should you be of the old school that likes to get at the O/S in native mode.

Win10 still has the aspect of a beta, in many respects. Parts don't work well, particularly the browser and the Cortana thing, which few want but is being forced on them.

Last but not least, Win10 spies on your every activity, even down to keylogging! It comes configured to do this and although your can turn many of the spies off there are others which will continue to watch and report on your activities. Many say, "I don't do anything wrong". This misses two point: "wrong" can be changed retrospectively by draconian governments; commercial organisations (including MS) will love to exploit your weaknesses as revealed by the immense amount of data collected by your on-line activities.

But if you must have the latest and not-so-greatest, believe the Microsoft hard sell and give in to their spamming. :)

Lataxe, for whom Windows 7 works just as he likes, thenk yew.
 
I'm pretty sure DOS is going to work on those newer CPUs without a hitch. Why you still use DOS is kind of interesting, try Linux for that kind of thing, instead. I don't think any version of Trainz works on DOS.
 
Last September/October time it was rumored but reported widely in the computer press that in 2016 Microsoft would do more to encouraging Window 7/8 users to upgrade to Windows 10. Well the rumors have not gone away and in the past two weeks again the computer press has contained many suggestions that Microsoft will start use strong arm tactics to achieve their goal of moving one billion users to Windows 10 by July 2018.

As reported at the beginning of this thread , Microsoft will only officially be providing Windows 10 support to future processors from Intel, AMD and Qualcomm and not Windows 7 and 8 in an attempt to try and force Users to upgrade before the end of these OS support cycles. It is also suggested that Microsoft will embrace back-door tactics (the carrot hasn’t worked so here comes the stick) to install Windows 10 by include it without specific notice as a ‘recommended update’ relying on Users apathy and trust in Microsoft when providing updates. Not only is ‘automatically install recommended updates’ the default and recommended setting when Windows is installed, but the setting most commonly chosen by non-commercial users.

Even if you religiously update your OS manually, and I suggest few of us do, but have shown an interest previously in Windows 10 i.e. that tell tail Windows 10 icon is sitting on the Task Bar, Microsoft proposes to download 6GB of Windows 10 on to your computer in anticipation of it being installed in the future. Even if space is not an issue, should you be running Windows 7 or 8.0 on any form of metered connection this could be a massive slice of your monthly allocation. Windows 8.1 and 10 do not automatically download updates over a metered connection.

As it happens I get on quite well with Windows 10 and more to the point without issue with either TS2012 or T-ANE but I know other have not been so fortunate. However I still find it offensive after I purchased Windows 7 some years ago that I am now being effectively blackmailed into update to an OS I may not want or more importantly which could be incompatible with my current hardware, software or business. Peter
 
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Last but not least, Win10 spies on your every activity, even down to keylogging! It comes configured to do this and although your can turn many of the spies off there are others which will continue to watch and report on your activities. ....
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Can you provide proof of this claim? Sounds like fear-mongering. As for the missing apps without a viable replacement, it would be interesting to know what Microsoft was thinking and the real reason for doing it. Seems to be a self-inflicted wound, hardly a winning long term strategy.
 
As I wrote it's being widely reported in the computer press but in the past week I've seen it reported in both the daily press and in-depth articles in computer magazines here in the UK. May I suggest you Google "Win 10 strong arm update" or similar and form your own view. Peter

Apologies Martinvk I wrongly assumed you were commenting on what I had written. However others may be interested in following up my comments on Google. Peter
 
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It loses many features of previous versions, not least Windows Media Centre, which allows you to install a TV tuner in your PC and use it as both a recorder & a player, as well as for many other things such as music and photos. There is no good (not even commercial) equivalent for those of us who want one machine to do it all. There are other facilities which are absent from Win10 that were in previous versions.
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I don't know where you are getting this from, as Windows Media Player is very much included in Windows 10. I have more then three computers that prove this. Some were upgraded and others were a fresh install. I believe the plan is to design a newer and better program to replace some of these older ones.
As for Microsoft not supporting new hardware below Windows 10, I think it's great. Like was said, a fresh start is well needed. With New hardware and DX12, less configurations to test on games is going to be good for game developers, who might be able to complete a game in less time, as it has to support less hardware.
 
gary6204 said:
I don't know where you are getting this from, as Windows Media Player is very much included in Windows 10. I have more then three computers that prove this.
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Windows Media Center is different from Windows Media Player. Windows Media Center was discontinued for Windows 10.
 
Nobody seems to mention that you can dual boot Win10 and Win7 without any re-installation. Gives you a chance to experience the new OS in T:ane without committing to it completely.

Peter
 
Lataxe said:
Mre Aussie,

You need to read up on the many things wrong with Windows 10 (besides the spam-like marketing).

It loses many features of previous versions, not least Windows Media Centre, which allows you to install a TV tuner in your PC and use it as both a recorder & a player, as well as for many other things such as music and photos. There is no good (not even commercial) equivalent for those of us who want one machine to do it all. There are other facilities which are absent from Win10 that were in previous versions.

Many older software and hardware items will not work with Windows 10. Get ready to fork out more dosh to replace them. Forget also any easy use of DOS, should you be of the old school that likes to get at the O/S in native mode.

Win10 still has the aspect of a beta, in many respects. Parts don't work well, particularly the browser and the Cortana thing, which few want but is being forced on them.

Last but not least, Win10 spies on your every activity, even down to keylogging! It comes configured to do this and although your can turn many of the spies off there are others which will continue to watch and report on your activities. Many say, "I don't do anything wrong". This misses two point: "wrong" can be changed retrospectively by draconian governments; commercial organisations (including MS) will love to exploit your weaknesses as revealed by the immense amount of data collected by your on-line activities.

But if you must have the latest and not-so-greatest, believe the Microsoft hard sell and give in to their spamming. :)

Lataxe, for whom Windows 7 works just as he likes, thenk yew.
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Don't get me wrong. I know that Windows 10 isn't everyone's "cup of tea", but I have been running Windows 10 since the first Tech preview, so I am well aware of all the faults, changes and regressions in Windows 10. I know that Media Center isn't included anymore, which doesn't bother me any longer since I hardly record anything these days. I barely watch TV as it is (I'm almost always using my computer, or doing some work on my model train layout).

I am also aware that not all hardware has drivers for Windows 10, but there are ways to work around that, and if you are using a bit of gear that doesn't even have drivers for Vista or Windows 7, I would recommend replacing/archiving that piece (use it as a "museum" piece)... Edge is improving, but not up to the state it should be in. It is a completely new browser, not an evolution of Internet Explorer. Cortana, is one of those "push it out to the US first, fix others later" sort of thing that Microsoft is quite "famous" for. Cortana is getting there. It's like Siri and needs to learn a lot about our language, dialect and idiosyncrasies before it will be completely usable, but if it isn't used, it can't learn. Nice little catch 22 that one... (it's the same catch for Windows Phone. Users won't buy the phone because the apps aren't there, and developers won't develop for it because of the lack of users).

As for the keylogging/spyware crap, it's precisely that. Windows 10 doesn't do any more "logging" than Windows 7 does, so if you are worried about being spied on, stop using Windows (that's actually sarcasm...)

Chris
(NOTE: I work in the IT industry, in Desktop Support, with a bit of Server support added in for good measure... apparently I'm not busy enough)
 
Hi everybody.
I believe what has to be remembered in this thread would be that Windows 10 is very much the Microsoft Corporations third attempt to gain a substantial stake in the mobile market. At present Microsoft are making the operating system freely available to as many manufacturers of mobile devices as are willing to accept it. As one financial market analyst recently stated Microsoft are “stuffing Windows 10 into as many devices as they can find in that market”.

The Microsoft have not made an overall profit from its operations for the last three years and therefore its shareholders and creditors are very much looking for the corporation to announce that they have turned a profit for the financial year ending in April 2016. If they cannot show that profit or very much demonstrate that they are well down the road to obtaining that goal, then the breakup and sell-off of the Microsoft Corporation could well be on the horizon.

In the above Apple and especially Google have demonstrated the mobile market is where the money is to be made and Microsoft have no option but to follow that path. Desktop PC sales were down 8% in the December financial quarter in the United States and 13% in the European market with PC component manufacturers also reflecting similar results. Therefore, all attention in the development of Windows 10 will be concentrated on the mobile market and it has to be accepted that traditional desktop PC development within the operating system will very much take second place.

As one senior Microsoft Corporation executive stated a few days ago, “Microsoft are very much now glimpsing the eventual end of the desktop PC”.

Bill
 
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As one senior Microsoft Corporation executive stated a few days ago, “Microsoft are very much now glimpsing the eventual end of the desktop PC”.

Bill
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That's rather depressing. I guess I must be one of those who are not into mobile computing. My iPad hardly gets used and the battery is probably flat. My Android phone has apps I never use. In fact, if I deleted all the functionality other than the ability to make a phone call and send a text, I would be happier.

I'm getting to the point where I will refuse to socialise with people who insist on staring at their phone while at dinner. There was a Futurama episode where iPhones were a device that got screwed into your eye socket and virtual screens appeared when a call or text was received. Maybe it wasn't science fiction.

Not a different, but related note, the nice people at Blender said that Windows XP would no longer be supported as from the next release which is due any day soon. I liked XP.
 
I love my smartphone, I don't think I could mange without it as a student, but I would never expect it to run performance intensive applications, an area where the conventional x86 computer will reign for some time. Desktops aren't going away just because sales figures look off, which is probably in part due to the fact that IPC improvements have stalled for now and there haven't been requirements to upgrade hardware for some time...

Not a different, but related note, the nice people at Blender said that Windows XP would no longer be supported as from the next release which is due any day soon. I liked XP.
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The sooner it's gone, the better. 15 year old operating systems aren't required any more. Actually this is the reason Microsoft are pushing Windows 10 as much as they are, because they don't want 7 becoming another XP, God forbid, 10 is just much better to use on modern hardware...

breakup and sell-off of the Microsoft Corporation could well be on the horizon
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That's getting a touch overboard, they don't have their eggs all in the OS basket...

Jack
 
I wouldn't trust anything a monopoly like Microsoft claims or predicts, all they are doing is trying to brainwash people.

I wonder what the current generation of Gadget users are going to do when their eyesight starts failing, they get arthritis or RSI from waving their fingers over screens 24/7.

As for DOS commands? well open a command Window in 10 and type help
Code: 
Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.10586]
(c) 2015 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Windows\System32>help
For more information on a specific command, type HELP command-name
ASSOC          Displays or modifies file extension associations.
ATTRIB         Displays or changes file attributes.
BREAK          Sets or clears extended CTRL+C checking.
BCDEDIT        Sets properties in boot database to control boot loading.
CACLS          Displays or modifies access control lists (ACLs) of files.
CALL           Calls one batch program from another.
CD             Displays the name of or changes the current directory.
CHCP           Displays or sets the active code page number.
CHDIR          Displays the name of or changes the current directory.
CHKDSK         Checks a disk and displays a status report.
CHKNTFS        Displays or modifies the checking of disk at boot time.
CLS            Clears the screen.
CMD            Starts a new instance of the Windows command interpreter.
COLOR          Sets the default console foreground and background colors.
COMP           Compares the contents of two files or sets of files.
COMPACT        Displays or alters the compression of files on NTFS partitions.
CONVERT        Converts FAT volumes to NTFS.  You cannot convert the
               current drive.
COPY           Copies one or more files to another location.
DATE           Displays or sets the date.
DEL            Deletes one or more files.
DIR            Displays a list of files and subdirectories in a directory.
DISKPART       Displays or configures Disk Partition properties.
DOSKEY         Edits command lines, recalls Windows commands, and
               creates macros.
DRIVERQUERY    Displays current device driver status and properties.
ECHO           Displays messages, or turns command echoing on or off.
ENDLOCAL       Ends localization of environment changes in a batch file.
ERASE          Deletes one or more files.
EXIT           Quits the CMD.EXE program (command interpreter).
FC             Compares two files or sets of files, and displays the
               differences between them.
FIND           Searches for a text string in a file or files.
FINDSTR        Searches for strings in files.
FOR            Runs a specified command for each file in a set of files.
FORMAT         Formats a disk for use with Windows.
FSUTIL         Displays or configures the file system properties.
FTYPE          Displays or modifies file types used in file extension
               associations.
GOTO           Directs the Windows command interpreter to a labeled line in
               a batch program.
GPRESULT       Displays Group Policy information for machine or user.
GRAFTABL       Enables Windows to display an extended character set in
               graphics mode.
HELP           Provides Help information for Windows commands.
ICACLS         Display, modify, backup, or restore ACLs for files and
               directories.
IF             Performs conditional processing in batch programs.
LABEL          Creates, changes, or deletes the volume label of a disk.
MD             Creates a directory.
MKDIR          Creates a directory.
MKLINK         Creates Symbolic Links and Hard Links
MODE           Configures a system device.
MORE           Displays output one screen at a time.
MOVE           Moves one or more files from one directory to another
               directory.
OPENFILES      Displays files opened by remote users for a file share.
PATH           Displays or sets a search path for executable files.
PAUSE          Suspends processing of a batch file and displays a message.
POPD           Restores the previous value of the current directory saved by
               PUSHD.
PRINT          Prints a text file.
PROMPT         Changes the Windows command prompt.
PUSHD          Saves the current directory then changes it.
RD             Removes a directory.
RECOVER        Recovers readable information from a bad or defective disk.
REM            Records comments (remarks) in batch files or CONFIG.SYS.
REN            Renames a file or files.
RENAME         Renames a file or files.
REPLACE        Replaces files.
RMDIR          Removes a directory.
ROBOCOPY       Advanced utility to copy files and directory trees
SET            Displays, sets, or removes Windows environment variables.
SETLOCAL       Begins localization of environment changes in a batch file.
SC             Displays or configures services (background processes).
SCHTASKS       Schedules commands and programs to run on a computer.
SHIFT          Shifts the position of replaceable parameters in batch files.
SHUTDOWN       Allows proper local or remote shutdown of machine.
SORT           Sorts input.
START          Starts a separate window to run a specified program or command.
SUBST          Associates a path with a drive letter.
SYSTEMINFO     Displays machine specific properties and configuration.
TASKLIST       Displays all currently running tasks including services.
TASKKILL       Kill or stop a running process or application.
TIME           Displays or sets the system time.
TITLE          Sets the window title for a CMD.EXE session.
TREE           Graphically displays the directory structure of a drive or
               path.
TYPE           Displays the contents of a text file.
VER            Displays the Windows version.
VERIFY         Tells Windows whether to verify that your files are written
               correctly to a disk.
VOL            Displays a disk volume label and serial number.
XCOPY          Copies files and directory trees.
WMIC           Displays WMI information inside interactive command shell.

For more information on tools see the command-line reference in the online help.

C:\Windows\System32>
 
Young'uns these days don't know what 'DoS' is, when I first started computing I was using 'command line input' in DoS-3 :)

Guess that makes me an 'old git'. :(
 
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