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davesnow
August 25th, 2012, 01:24 PM
Am trying (desperately) to create a 2-Bay Cylindrical Hopper for Trainz... I have all the lettering on the side of the car figured out -- EXCEPT-- This:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Davesnow/Whatdoitsay.jpg

If anyone knows what this says, please let me know. I have searched and searched until I'm worn out.

(Please no guesses... I can guess, I need to KNOW.)

Cheers, and hope everyone is having a great weekend. We are getting a good steady rain here in Arkansas--- first time in weeks and weeks.

Dave

Euphod
August 25th, 2012, 01:39 PM
"Not to be modeled in Trainz under penalty of DEATH". I'm pretty sure that's it! Okay, I'm sorry, please forgive me!

JohnnyC1
August 25th, 2012, 03:11 PM
"Caution Open Hatch Before Unloading Compartment" or/and "Note; This Car Has Two Compartments." If you have any of JR's ACF hoppers, you can obtain the information from their texture file called cardata. Hope this helps.

John

davesnow
August 25th, 2012, 03:28 PM
"Caution Open Hatch Before Unloading Compartment" or/and "Note; This Car Has Two Compartments." If you have any of JR's ACF hoppers, you can obtain the information from their texture file called cardata. Hope this helps.

John

Hmmmmm..... I was under the impression it says something about the inside & outside paints used...

Anyhow, I'm probably wrong.

Thanks John.

Cheers,

Dave

torino72
August 25th, 2012, 08:41 PM
It looks to be standard lettering for a range of TILX hopper cars. I was looking at pictures of TILX #3342 and #3559 and #34327. All are 2 bay hoppers. However, I could not zoom in enough to read the text. The cars in series #34263-34362 cars appear to have the same stenciles on the lower sides and in the same positions as #3342. I was driving home tonight through SW Little Rock and a NB BNSF came through on UP trackage. It had a TILX car in the 30000 series with this lettering but it was near dark and the train was moving too fast for me to read this small print. Folks might keep an eye out for any of these TILX 2 bay hoppers and see if they can read the stencing just to the right of the WARNING stencil.

sniper297
August 25th, 2012, 09:49 PM
Hey, you just gotta know how to use image editors. Lessee, zoom, sharpen, unsharp mask, increase contrast, here we go;

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/4770/42929900.jpg

JIb228
August 25th, 2012, 10:52 PM
Might say

"Do not hammer on side of car"

Or

"Do not apply direct heat to side of car"

Or some thing like that.

Euphod
August 26th, 2012, 01:47 AM
I have spent hours pouring over every reference I could find on the net, and am no closer to figuring it out. The following picture is the best I could find, maybe it will click with someone else:

http://hostthenpost.org/uploads/723f2ce719f1610eec41da9183095d5f.jpg

Meanwhile, I'll keep my eyes open to see if I can spot one moving through here!

AJ_Fox
August 26th, 2012, 02:20 AM
It sounds like it refers to weight limits and that sort of thing.

Cheers

AJ

Euphod
August 26th, 2012, 02:52 AM
Could be...

http://hostthenpost.org/uploads/5b8883240886c6da97bee36a6780438e.jpg

scratchy
August 26th, 2012, 03:02 AM
This is what that area says on my 2 bay, although it could be a slightly different model

http://hostthenpost.org/uploads/cf0f614531a23e905d769a10bac21391_thumb.jpg (http://hostthenpost.org/uploads/cf0f614531a23e905d769a10bac21391.jpg)

try here? http://www.flickr.com/photos/midwestgraffiti/sets/72157625972641403/

Konni
August 26th, 2012, 03:20 AM
Hi Dave,

Did you consider how such small lettering will show up, if you put your hopper on a trainz map?
I frequently noticed that the only thing one is seeing is some inscription, which is unreadable because of its small size. In such cases length and colour of the inscription is what matters from a content creation perspective.
Further details are merely for one's education, which is, of course, meritious in itself.

Cheers,

Konni

slabay
August 26th, 2012, 06:01 AM
I like the attention to detail that you've been giving, Dave: I've been working on cabooses lately, and I've looked for the text for the leasing information small print before and have never been able to find it anywhere like you put on the wide vision caboose.

Perhaps it says: "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum"

I know..... there sure have been a lot of guesses for a thread that you said "no guesses, I can guess" in.....:confused:

Jananton
August 26th, 2012, 07:34 AM
Hmm, the only resembling car where I could decipher the small text in the middle bottom on the side is a Burlington Northern one.
For what it's worth, the text reads: "NOTE: This CAR has TWO compartments". (note :hehe: the use of capitals)

Success in your search.

Greetings from rainy Amsterdam,

Jan

cascaderailroad
August 26th, 2012, 07:38 AM
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum

Translated:
This page is available, however, but because occasionally circumstances occur in which toil and pain can procure him some great. To take a trivial example, which of us ever undertakes laborious physical exercise, except to obtain some advantage from it. Or desires to obtain pain in the bullet train to find fault with in the pleasure of pain that produces no resultant good to flee. These cases are perfectly account of the system, the fault of those who are in the original text: this is to sink

It does look like a 2 digit hypenated date is on the top right line of text ?

Glass lined do not hammer on sides of car ?

For sand service only ?

We had a sand car in the shop, and Lukey opened it up as the door was leaking slightly ... a ton sand of sand went everywhere in a 10 circle ... after getting it closed, and the car was shipped out, we planted a big ol' beach umbrella and lawnchair that we trashpicked, in the pile of sand ... made up a sign, and planted it in the sand: "Lukey's vacation spot" !

whitepass
August 26th, 2012, 09:09 AM
It could be a "return this car to ..." but you will never be able to read it in Trainz.

davesnow
August 26th, 2012, 10:47 AM
It could be a "return this car to ..." but you will never be able to read it in Trainz.

You'll be able to read in on MY hopper. It's because my side lettering is a separate texture file.

cascaderailroad
August 26th, 2012, 11:28 AM
http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/if-you-can-read-this-youre-in-range-500x375.jpg
http://funpics.classicfun.ws/var/resizes/Funpics/If you can read this%2C somebody stole my iPhone.jpg?m=1272225618
http://www.gunpundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/if-you-can-read-this-youre-in-range.jpg
http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2007/5/may2gal22.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NXmWi4tHutI/TcRAXwIVBKI/AAAAAAAAG8c/WLpwGPwZnUQ/s1600/If%2BYou%2BCan%2BRead%2BThis%2BSign.jpg
http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/334785_700b.jpg
http://www.lolbrary.com/content/739/if-you-can-read-this-11739.jpg
http://joanperry.smugmug.com/photos/446821209_ccPFt-M-1.jpg

Unrelated:
http://www.lolbrary.com/content/742/motorcycle-racing-close-enough-11742.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/Weather_Stone_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1763606.jpg/450px-Weather_Stone_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1763606.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/The_Milestone_weather_forecasting_stone_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1708774.jpg/318px-The_Milestone_weather_forecasting_stone_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1708774.jpg

If you read this, you are about to get jumped on: http://www.greatstems.com/squirrel06-05-11.jpg

norfolksouthern37
August 26th, 2012, 12:23 PM
I can say with confidence that this is actually the paint information. it says something like


PNTD - 372 10-11
CARBOLINE 875-HS-2758


this gives (in order) the number, date painted, paint type used. in the case i listed it is Carboguard paint. the car you pictured probably has a Williams Hayward coating. you could probably safely make up something there.

cascaderailroad
August 26th, 2012, 12:40 PM
Thank You ... We all knew it would be You, that would be able to solve the great mystery ... now I can once again sleep at night, knowing: "what it say's" ! :o It was really bugging me, like a burr ball in my britch's !

slabay
August 26th, 2012, 01:37 PM
LMAO, Justin to the rescue!!! (He's probably got the super secret squirrel software from Minority Report that can take a 20x20 gif, enlarge and enhance it to see that it has the full text of War & Peace in it) :hehe:

davesnow
August 26th, 2012, 01:52 PM
I can say with confidence that this is actually the paint information. it says something like


PNTD - 372 10-11
CARBOLINE 875-HS-2758


this gives (in order) the number, date painted, paint type used. in the case i listed it is Carboguard paint. the car you pictured probably has a Williams Hayward coating. you could probably safely make up something there.

Well phooey. I got tired and just put what John said. Oh well.... Like my sig says.

Thanks anyhow Justin.

Cheers,

Dave

JCitron
August 26th, 2012, 01:52 PM
LMAO, Justin to the rescue!!! (He's probably got the super secret squirrel software from Minority Report that can take a 20x20 gif, enlarge and enhance it to see that it has the full text of War & Peace in it) :hehe:

Don't laugh. Seriously I worked for a company that made a digital proofing printer that could print text down to 1/2 point. That's 144th of an inch. The text was so small you needed a microscope to read it.

John

cascaderailroad
August 26th, 2012, 02:28 PM
When railroad dispatchers lose track of trains and railcars, and need to know where they are ... they call norfolksouthern37 at his home phone ! :hehe:

slabay
August 26th, 2012, 03:12 PM
When railroad dispatchers lose track of trains and railcars, and need to know where they are ... they call norfolksouthern37 at his home phone ! :hehe:

I bet he goes on Google maps and can read their reporting marks on the aerial photos!!

cascaderailroad
August 26th, 2012, 03:37 PM
Norfolksouthern37 has Google Earth Live, where he can view live, real time satellite feed, and Google calls him up to assist them .

slabay
August 26th, 2012, 04:46 PM
Norfolksouther37 has Google Earth Live, where he can view live, real time satellite feed, and Google calls him up to assist them .

LOL, Justin is the Chuck Norris (http://www.nochucknorris.com/) of Trainz!

davesnow
August 26th, 2012, 04:47 PM
Well, here's what I decided to use. Hope it's "good enuf" for the purists out there:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Davesnow/Paint.jpg

Look for my new 2-Bay Cylindrical Covered Hopper on the DLS soon:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Davesnow/davesnow_20120826_0006.jpg

Cheers,

Dave

Euphod
August 26th, 2012, 07:23 PM
Well done Dave, if the words were of common usage, I'm sure someone would have deciphered them sooner. I was leaning in the direction you were, and having Justin affirm it puts it over the top.

torino72
August 26th, 2012, 08:01 PM
Dave, Norfolksouthern37 is correct although I cannot say that is the exact lettering. I saw a TILX 2 bay today NB through Little Rock and the first line read PNTD 422 12-05. The second line contained a word followed by numbers & letters but I could not make out exactly what the 2d line said. I assume this relates to the interior lining. Also, #3342 Has two lines of text on the 9th welded panel (from left to right) in the upper right of the car that reads (line1) OWNERSHIP SUBJECT TO A SECURITY AGREEMENT (line 2) FILED WITH THE SURFACE TRANSPORTATION BOARD. The stencil just above that on the roof is upside down when viewed from the ground and reads (line 1) CAUTION (line 2) NO SIDE LADDER and is applied also on the opposite side rear as well as (rightside up) between the first and second end ladder steps on both ends.

That said, this is still a fine looking car.

bl4882
August 26th, 2012, 09:42 PM
Oh, Lord! "Also, #3342 Has two lines of text on the 9th welded panel (from left to right) in the upper right of the car that reads (line1) OWNERSHIP SUBJECT TO A SECURITY AGREEMENT (line 2) FILED WITH THE SURFACE TRANSPORTATION BOARD." We've got lawyers putting legal mumbo-jumbo on freight cars now?

Be sure you get permission from whomever "composed" that prose before you republish it on a model. You might get sued for copyright infringement. On the other hand, it is satisfying to know that if I ever decide to buy a 2 bay hopper car it will have notice stenciled on the side that someone else may have a lien on it. Was there one cautioning us not to eat the contents of the car?

Bernie

cascaderailroad
August 26th, 2012, 09:45 PM
I remember seeing legal mumbo jumbo on freightcars way back in the 60's ... so it's nothing new there.

slabay
August 26th, 2012, 11:10 PM
I've seen plenty of it on railcars in the 70's as well..... usually, it is quite bit longer, telling what the actual bank that "owns" the car is and where they are. I've not seen detailed enough photos to be able to add it to many cars (hence the "lorem ipsum" reference:hehe:). I consider myself lucky enough to find enough to add the basic stencils ("2IN HF COMP SHOES" or "\|/ Air tank drain" or whatever) to flesh out details on a car.

Konni
August 27th, 2012, 03:50 AM
Hi,

Even if you make the inscription a separate texture file, how close do you have to go in trainz to be able to read it? I am sure, that you might be able to manoevre the free floating camera close enough. But can you still read it in the external camera mode? How close do you have to post a tracking camera to a track to be able to read it?

I can easily understand the satisfaction it gives a content creator of having created a perfectly detailled model, but what about penalties in terms of performance? Are you using lod to offset some of them? And again my question at what situation while playing trainz is such a detail noticable?

Cheers,

Konni

slabay
August 27th, 2012, 10:37 AM
Hi,

Even if you make the inscription a separate texture file, how close do you have to go in trainz to be able to read it? I am sure, that you might be able to manoevre the free floating camera close enough. But can you still read it in the external camera mode? How close do you have to post a tracking camera to a track to be able to read it?

I can easily understand the satisfaction it gives a content creator of having created a perfectly detailled model, but what about penalties in terms of performance? Are you using lod to offset some of them? And again my question at what situation while playing trainz is such a detail noticable?

Cheers,

Konni

Can't see how this would affect performance..... It is simply a 2D texture map. Not like it is a complex mesh with 50K+ polys or anything.

davesnow
August 27th, 2012, 11:43 AM
. . .having created a perfectly detailled model. . .

LOL! My stuff is far from perfect!! I just rather have the writing on the side of locos and railcars at least readable.

Which would you prefer?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Davesnow/WhichLooksBetter.jpg

(my apologies to whoever created the car on the left.)

Dave

VinnyBarb
August 27th, 2012, 03:53 PM
I am with you Dave, when creating whatever, I put as much effort into my creations as I possibly can and that also includes small text (where possible) on my locomotives. As Konni above says, it is the satisfaction of first to create something what and how I, as a content creator, like to create and secondly, because I can. And that is good enough for me :p.

I also use 4 aggressive LODs on my locomotive models.

Cheers

VinnyBarb

JCitron
August 27th, 2012, 09:34 PM
Dave,

That's awesome. Keep up the good work.

I agree put in whatever you want. :)

John

Euphod
August 27th, 2012, 09:40 PM
LOL! My stuff is far from perfect!! I just rather have the writing on the side of locos and railcars at least readable. (pic removed) Which would you prefer? (my apologies to whoever created the car on the left.)Dave

I prefer the one on the left, since I made it! That's it, you're dead to me now!:eek:







Okay, I'm just joking. I cranked out a load of hoppers and boxcars based on the old Paintshed skins when 2010 came out because people were complaining about having to fix older items. I just made a bunch of each so new users could have some variety on their routes without having to fix anything. I did them hastily and paid little attention to the results. Paintshed skins are usually a little blurry anyway. Thanks for making an example out it though, wait till you see what I do with yours!http://forums.auran.com/trainz/images/smilies/apoke.gif
By the way, I did have a little trouble with the ribs on your hopper, a couple of the SOO ones are not lined up exactly right, but as I got to the last one, I figured out what to do. Make sure to post a picture of any mistakes you find in my work.:o

Konni
August 29th, 2012, 04:31 AM
Hi Scott,

Each additional texture file means another file to be loaded. Depending upon the number of times you are using an additional texture file it means at least one more material needing processing by the computer. The penalties in terms of performance may not amount to much and may not be noticable on a test map. If you a placing such assets on a map showing e.g. a large shunting yard with dozens of traincars, the accumulated penalties may have noticable effects on performance.

Lod-regimes can take away some of these problems, but require additional efforts to implement.

Keeping that in mind requires some additional altrusism on the part of the content creator. On the other hand, many complaints about performance of trainz can be ultimately traced to poorly built content.

Cheers,

Konni

torino72
August 29th, 2012, 08:56 AM
Great cars! Thanks Dave. I downloaded them all. The only changes I made to the configs was to add loads and up the mass from 1000KG to 23860KG (empty weight of car was about 52600 lbs, I think).

davesnow
August 29th, 2012, 11:34 AM
, , , many complaints about performance of trainz can be ultimately traced to poorly built content.


Yeah, and mine's about as poor as any of them.