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johnwhelan
April 29th, 2011, 05:35 PM
From time to time I run Tafweb's DLScount on by content to get an idea of what is popular and what isn't.

Currently it tells me I've had 3,764,847 downloads or an average of 3,783.8 per item. It doesn't tell the whole story as there have been some updates to correct errors and the old versions don't show up in the display.

I tend to be lazy so if I can reskin I tend to reskin. Thank you to all the content creators who've given me permission to reskin or update their work. I know that textures are a problem so often I've used photographs with permission for textures. Unfortunately there aren't many colour photographs from my favourite time period. Creating complex steam locos is not a particular interest by the way.

Also I tend to play a little so the Slater street terrace housing came from an attempt to keep the resources down whilst still giving a reasonable set of houses that weren't all identical.

My own interest is probably focused on 1920-1948 or pre-BR. We have some coaching stock from that time period and more recently there has been some activity on coaches there are certainly some GWR ones expected shortly on the DLS. There is also a fairly good range of steam locos available these days.

Making content for TS2010 does take more effort especially with the extra detail and the new texture features most of which I have still to get to grips with.

I recognise that asking the question is an invitation to a lot of people to say all sorts of things but are we lacking anything major at the moment?

Thanks John

sawyer811
April 29th, 2011, 06:24 PM
I might get flamed for this, but, at least personally, i think there's a need for a freely-accessible Stainer 8F 2-8-0. Paulz Trainz has a payware one (which is great looking, by the way) and there's one in TC3 and the S&C add-on, but i've alway kind of wanted a knocked-down version for the DLS, just so anyone can get it without plonking down cash. Not that there's anything bad about payware anything, i just know not everyone can get it.

Plus i think we kinda need a new Black 5 (blue's is getting kinda dated) and a DLS-available set of Ivatt 2MTs (tender and tank versions--there's a pair on UKtrainsim, but they're kind of a pain to get and therefore not very usable for uploaded sessions). Maybe a 9F Franco-Crosti?

anyway, take this for what it's worth, since a Yank doesn't really have the authority to talk about british rolling stock and what he wants:hehe: :o

Deano5
April 29th, 2011, 06:50 PM
It's not so much the rolling stock we need, but more of the buildings, people, track side, cars, lorry's, push bikes, posters, shops, post box's. There isn't really a lot of old style British items around and it is hard to make a detailed 1930's or so route without having to add a lot of more modern items to try and make do.
I have SnC and that is great, but, the detail is minimal and it is a payware route so nothing of it on the DLS.
There is quite a few good items that I use in Trainz 06 and 04, but they are mainly built in so I'm not sure if they can all be upgraded to 2010/12 standards.
I am a great fan of the steam era and love to drive them on an old style route, so any improvements you can make will be very much appreciated John. :wave:

stovepipe
April 29th, 2011, 06:58 PM
Probably nothing entirely essential, but I can think of a few non-loco items that would fill some gaps:

Rolling Stock
+ Big Four NPCCS (non-passenger carrying coaching stock)
- Long wheelbase and bogie vans. eg CCT, GUV, PMV, PLV, Bogie Brakes, Stove Rs, Siphon Gs from the 1930-1940 period. The SR and LMS types were particularly long-lived, being used in parcels trains up to the early 1980s.

Certain wagon types - such as NER wooden "chauldren" hopper wagons - see coal drop picture. They were in use up to the 1970s. Another type would be 4w threstle wagons for carrying steel plate.

+ British Railways
1960 Metropolitan Cammell Pullman Stock.
[/URL]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Swanage_Station,_Pullman_Car_No._347_-_geograph.org.uk_-_211758.jpg (http://www.emgauge70s.co.uk/modelpageindex.html)

http://www.nrm.org.uk/globalmedia/NRM_CT_937228_2.png

1961 Two-tier Car Transporter Vans (TCV)
http://www.53a-pix.co.uk/picture/E96296E-YK-030980.jpg (http://www.emgauge70s.co.uk/modelpageindex.html)

Scenery
Large loco coaling plant, like at Carnforth.
[URL]http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_07_2010/post-6970-127913482997_thumb.jpg

Large manual signalboxes, such as at Chester
http://www.signalbox.org/gallery/lm/chester4.php
or Shrewsbury.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/granradjd/3885898847/
Just two examples, there are many others

Proper coal staithes (drops)
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1433/5169834501_2e3d5646f1.jpg
and the type of wagon shown.

I suppose some of these may have been made already and I have missed them.

regards
stovepipe

johnwhelan
April 29th, 2011, 07:43 PM
I might get flamed for this, but, at least personally, i think there's a need for a freely-accessible Stainer 8F 2-8-0. Paulz Trainz has a payware one (which is great looking, by the way) and there's one in TC3 and the S&C add-on, but i've alway kind of wanted a knocked-down version for the DLS, just so anyone can get it without plonking down cash. Not that there's anything bad about payware anything, i just know not everyone can get it.

Plus i think we kinda need a new Black 5 (blue's is getting kinda dated) and a DLS-available set of Ivatt 2MTs (tender and tank versions--there's a pair on UKtrainsim, but they're kind of a pain to get and therefore not very usable for uploaded sessions). Maybe a 9F Franco-Crosti?

anyway, take this for what it's worth, since a Yank doesn't really have the authority to talk about british rolling stock and what he wants:hehe: :o

I'm putting together a GWR coach at the moment, the first one has taken something like 18 months to construct. To build a steam loco would take me a similar amount of time and when its one that is available in S&C I don't think its a reasonable use of my time. Especially as there are others who like creating them.

Try to think more in terms of things that aren't so expensive in time to create.

Thanks John

johnwhelan
April 29th, 2011, 07:47 PM
It's not so much the rolling stock we need, but more of the buildings, people, track side, cars, lorry's, push bikes, posters, shops, post box's. There isn't really a lot of old style British items around and it is hard to make a detailed 1930's or so route without having to add a lot of more modern items to try and make do.
I have SnC and that is great, but, the detail is minimal and it is a payware route so nothing of it on the DLS.
There is quite a few good items that I use in Trainz 06 and 04, but they are mainly built in so I'm not sure if they can all be upgraded to 2010/12 standards.
I am a great fan of the steam era and love to drive them on an old style route, so any improvements you can make will be very much appreciated John. :wave:

Could you give me examples of the the built ins, most of the built ins have been created by content creators by the way.

Plans or photos of the items you'd like to see would be useful especially as scenery items are fairly simple to create in Blender and might be of interest to a beginner content creator.

Thanks John

johnwhelan
April 29th, 2011, 07:57 PM
Probably nothing entirely essential, but I can think of a few non-loco items that would fill some gaps:

Rolling Stock
+ Big Four NPCCS (non-passenger carrying coaching stock)
- Long wheelbase and bogie vans. eg CCT, GUV, PMV, PLV, Bogie Brakes, Stove Rs, Siphon Gs from the 1930-1940 period. The SR and LMS types were particularly long-lived, being used in parcels trains up to the early 1980s.

Certain wagon types - such as NER wooden "chauldren" hopper wagons - see coal drop picture. They were in use up to the 1970s. Another type would be 4w threstle wagons for carrying steel plate.

+ British Railways
1960 Metropolitan Cammell Pullman Stock.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Swanage_Station,_Pullman_Car_No._347_-_geograph.org.uk_-_211758.jpg

http://www.nrm.org.uk/globalmedia/NRM_CT_937228_2.png

1961 Two-tier Car Transporter Vans (TCV)
http://www.53a-pix.co.uk/picture/E96296E-YK-030980.jpg

Scenery
Large loco coaling plant, like at Carnforth.
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_07_2010/post-6970-127913482997_thumb.jpg

Large manual signalboxes, such as at Chester
http://www.signalbox.org/gallery/lm/chester4.php
or Shrewsbury.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/granradjd/3885898847/
Just two examples, there are many others

Proper coal staithes (drops)
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1433/5169834501_2e3d5646f1.jpg
and the type of wagon shown.

I suppose some of these may have been made already and I have missed them.

regards
stovepipe

Interesting list, the Pullman car looks fairly simple other than the textures. If some one has plans that might be interesting, especially if we can get Robd or some one to get involved with the textures.

The coal staithes look simple enough, any closer details on the wagons especially the undersides?

The large signal boxes look fairly simple as well.

The car transporter looks almost like a Mk1 with a more detailed end. I wonder if some one has something that could be "adjusted"?

Thanks John

johnwhelan
April 29th, 2011, 08:03 PM
The intent here is to look for ideas by the way, if you see something you think you could attempt feel free to request plans or photos etc especially scenery objects.

To give you an idea of my time frames I have a batch of GWR coaches to sort out and they will probably keep me busy for the next two to three months. After that I'm not certain what my plans are. On the major project side possibly some more coaches since I've box of parts now for them but I'm not completely certain yet. Some minor items could be slipped in beforehand.

Thanks

Cheerio John

Robertd81
April 29th, 2011, 09:17 PM
I'd love to see more in general from the pre-B.R. days, I think I spend so much time playing around with TS2009 to recapture something of the summers I used to spend helping out on the South Devon Railway (Totnes-Buckfastleigh)! There was something special about the way things were built in those days - the looks, the feels (automatically closing doors don't have a thing on the satisfying click of heavy brass handles and door mechanisms), the smells.

Before I go off on a nostalgia-trip here, back to the point. Art-Deco. We're missing Art-Deco in Trainz as far as the U.K. goes. Old tube stations, fancier buildings such as the Senate House of the University of London, older commuter rolling stocks and so on. I would love to see some updated London Underground stock too from the 30's and 40's - there are limited examples of tube stock in general on the DLS and all but Andi06's are looking very dated now I feel (NOT to knock the efforts put into them).

Now, I'm off to close my windows, start up Trainz and ignore the existence of anything made before 1950 (lap-top excepted of course!) Best wishes all,

Robertd81.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Art_Deco_railway_stations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Art_Deco_buildings_in_the_United_Kingdom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_rolling_stock#Withdrawn_stock
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS6SZ32PrIUErUcqOMhnbylAhOfVUE_n ry-s1h4YAwJMV3jVC5C9g

sawyer811
April 29th, 2011, 09:20 PM
Scenery
Large loco coaling plant, like at Carnforth.
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_07_2010/post-6970-127913482997_thumb.jpg



there's actually one like that built in...VFUK coal tower. Guess i finally figured out what on earth that thing is. I've used it on american routes (it's built in for Northbay County) but it never looked right.


I'm putting together a GWR coach at the moment, the first one has taken something like 18 months to construct. To build a steam loco would take me a similar amount of time and when its one that is available in S&C I don't think its a reasonable use of my time. Especially as there are others who like creating them.

Try to think more in terms of things that aren't so expensive in time to create.

Thanks John

I know, i just had to throw that out there. sorry. If i were to think in terms like that...well, I'm making the route of the movie The Titfield Thunderbolt, and can't source a proper coach. my friend who is helping me has one reskined, but it's from the henrietta coach from SI3D, and from what i understand they never allow reskins to be released. Catch with that is; i don't know of any other car that's simliar to it, so unless someone were to Gmax it, i'd just leave that one. The GWR brake van and the cattle wagon from the same movie come to mind too...again, for the simple reason I've yet to find something that perfectly fits. Again, captainkman (my friend who's helping me out) has a brake van reskinned, but it's off another SI3D model.

Plus i could always use some more GWR stock, to haul around with my skipper1945 engines, and i've yet to find a GWR autocoach (there's a BR one on the DLS, i have it). maybe that's simpler, i hope?:confused:

again, this is just stuff i've wanted, i can't tell you how to do your job. I can only ask, and as my grandfather told me "the worst they can say is no."

Robertd81
April 29th, 2011, 09:26 PM
...just found this gem of an archive http://www.ltmcollection.org/photos/themes/themes-main.html

tmz06003
April 30th, 2011, 03:06 AM
Probably nothing entirely essential, but I can think of a few non-loco items that would fill some gaps:

Rolling Stock
+ Big Four NPCCS (non-passenger carrying coaching stock)
- Long wheelbase and bogie vans. eg CCT, GUV, PMV, PLV, Bogie Brakes, Stove Rs, Siphon Gs from the 1930-1940 period. The SR and LMS types were particularly long-lived, being used in parcels trains up to the early 1980s.

regards
stovepipe

Greeni's CCT is on the DLS under uky901y's username. His GUV is more or less finished also. Of course these all exist for TC3 as well, pity all of that content never made it to the DLS so it could be easily accessible in the latest versions of Trainz.

stovepipe
April 30th, 2011, 03:33 AM
It was the big four versions of these vans I was meaning in particular. The SR and LMS ones looked quite different and were still fairly common when I was a boy. I do use the existing assets extensively and they are much appreciated.


The comment about art-deco buildings is interesting, plenty of scope there, but I don't suppose plans are easy to come by.

stovepipe
April 30th, 2011, 03:44 AM
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/images/icons/icon1.gif
Quote:
Originally Posted by stovepipe http://forums.auran.com/trainz/images/newforum/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?p=789935#post789935)
Scenery
Large loco coaling plant, like at Carnforth.
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/upl...2997_thumb.jpg (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_07_2010/post-6970-127913482997_thumb.jpg)


there's actually one like that built in...VFUK coal tower. Guess i finally figured out what on earth that thing is. I've used it on american routes (it's built in for Northbay County) but it never looked right. So there is, and it's actually based on Carnforth. I've even used it on my WIP route! Ah well, I suppose it was getting late..

stovepipe
April 30th, 2011, 04:46 AM
The coal staithes look simple enough, any closer details on the wagons especially the undersides?

Thanks John

I should have refered to them as NER/LNER 20T diagram P7 hoppers. There are some good detail pictures here, including inside shots.

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php/topic/33379-north-eastern-railway-p7-20-ton-hoppers/

also this thread has lots of information including measurements.

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17615&hilit=LNER+20T+hopper

regards
stovepipe

CaptEngland
April 30th, 2011, 07:04 AM
RE: UK Content - what do we need?

One thing that would be very useful would be LNER/BR Thompson Stock. Loads of old photos from the 50's show a least 1 coach of Thompson Stock in service in different parts of the country. If anyone wants to make these, PM me as I have loads of line diagrams that I can supply (only if they are to be made for freeware use!).

Also wanted by me are GWR Hawksworth stock. I've got a couple of diagrams, but they are not very good. Does anyone know of an GWR line diagram book of coaches along the lines of the excellent `Historic Carriage Drawings` series by Pendragon Partnership?

I'm still trying to get to grips with making stuff in blender at the moment but slowly getting there.

I may this weekend get to re-skinning the Bullied Stock into Carmine and Cream (for own use at the moment!). I've forgot who made these coaches on the DLS, but if they are reading this thread could I have permission to upload somewhere the reskins? How would I be able to do this to the DLS without including the base model if possible?

Best Regards.

BRClass66
April 30th, 2011, 07:04 AM
Hi,

I don't know to much about trains,
but love this sim.

So my question is,does the UK use Wellcars like the usa ?

What is the main rollingstock used in the UK to move containers ?


Thanks,
Brad

andi06
April 30th, 2011, 08:32 AM
Also wanted by me are GWR Hawksworth stock. I've got a couple of diagrams, but they are not very good. Does anyone know of an GWR line diagram book of coaches along the lines of the excellent `Historic Carriage Drawings` series by Pendragon Partnership?

Great Western Coaches, Official Drawings No.3 (ISBN 1-874103-42-9) is inexpensive and has good drawings of a Hawksworth Brake Third. The trailer car in my AEC Railcar set is loosely based on a Hawksworth vehicle but it isn't a particularly good or accurate model.

robd
April 30th, 2011, 08:52 AM
Interesting list, the Pullman car looks fairly simple other than the textures. If some one has plans that might be interesting, especially if we can get Robd or some one to get involved with the textures...

Thanks John

I'll be very happy to help with textures in whatever capacity I can.

Rob

CaptEngland
April 30th, 2011, 09:27 AM
Great Western Coaches, Official Drawings No.3 (ISBN 1-874103-42-9) is inexpensive and has good drawings of a Hawksworth Brake Third. The trailer car in my AEC Railcar set is loosely based on a Hawksworth vehicle but it isn't a particularly good or accurate model.

Thanks Andi06. I've got my eye on a copy at the moment ;)

Regards.

johnwhelan
April 30th, 2011, 09:34 AM
I'm still trying to get to grips with making stuff in blender at the moment but slowly getting there.

I may this weekend get to re-skinning the Bullied Stock into Carmine and Cream (for own use at the moment!). I've forgot who made these coaches on the DLS, but if they are reading this thread could I have permission to upload somewhere the reskins? How would I be able to do this to the DLS without including the base model if possible?

Best Regards.

If you look at the original kuid number then look it up on the DLS web page http://www.auran.com/TRS2004/DLS.php it will give you the content creator.

Cheerio John

johnwhelan
April 30th, 2011, 09:40 AM
Hi,

I don't know to much about trains,
but love this sim.

So my question is,does the UK use Wellcars like the usa ?

What is the main rollingstock used in the UK to move containers ?

I've checked on the net and found this picture but none used in UK?
http://wapedia.mobi/en/Intermodal_freight_transport

If we do then i'm going to purchase CONTZ Pack - Standard Edition (http://www.auran.com/auran/store/index.php?p=3&PID=385)

Thanks,
Brad

The UK loading gauge doesn't allow double stacked, the tunnels and bridges are too low you can't even get a double decker coach in. Perhaps if they put the new lines in they might do something about the loading gauge. There are problems in being first sometimes.

I'm not even certain that containers can use all the network in the UK even today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Banbury_box_car_2001_1st.png

Cheerio John

Cheerio John

NikkiA
April 30th, 2011, 10:34 AM
Perhaps if they put the new lines in they might do something about the loading gauge. There are problems in being first sometimes.


Indeed, the Channel Tunnel and HS1 are built to UIC GB+ (GB+ in this usage has nothing to do with the UK, and is an intended pan-European freight loading gauge, specifically including double-stacked containers), as will HS2 if it ever gets built

johnwhelan
April 30th, 2011, 11:04 AM
Originally Posted by andi06 http://forums.auran.com/trainz/images/newforum/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?p=790182#post790182)
Great Western Coaches, Official Drawings No.3 (ISBN 1-874103-42-9) is inexpensive and has good drawings of a Hawksworth Brake Third. The trailer car in my AEC Railcar set is loosely based on a Hawksworth vehicle but it isn't a particularly good or accurate model.


Thanks Andi06. I've got my eye on a copy at the moment ;)

Regards.

The original publisher still has this one in stock which is probably cheaper than buying a second hand copy.

Cheerio John

BRClass66
April 30th, 2011, 11:33 AM
Thanks John.

so just single stack,i guess from the picture and our bridges

I'll buy it anyway,people have raved about it, and only £13.

Brad

johnwhelan
April 30th, 2011, 12:17 PM
We need less emphasis on modern crud and more on the golden age of railways ( Pre-WW1 ).

By the 1930's the railways in the UK were already in decline.

Now i know the GWR broad gauge is to much of a minority interest to most users.

But there are plenty of locos, coaching stock & freight stock. From all the railway companies of that pre WW1 period, built to standard gauge.

That never get a mention in any of the trainsims.

It would be nice to see people broadening their horizons.

IKB.

GWR Broad Gauge doesn't do too badly in Trainz, there have been a number of creators who have created for it and the download numbers are quite respectable. We even get a mention in the GWR Broad Gauge Society's newsletter from time to time.

So you're suggesting GWR 1890-1914? I'd go a little wider, which companies and what specific stock?

Thanks John

robd
April 30th, 2011, 05:31 PM
I have never seen a GNR Sirling 4-4-2 in any trainsim. What a fantastic locomotive with 8ft driving wheels...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNR_Stirling_4-2-2


IKB.

@IKB

This model is or it use to be on the DLS, I have it installed in my Trainz, it runs OK in TS2010. It's a good model.

Rob

edit: confirmed on DLS, made by blue

Mick_Berg
April 30th, 2011, 06:04 PM
Here's a straightforward and totally selfish request, a "Sarah Siddons" type Metropolitan electric loco. Sorry I don't know its proper number. It would look good trundling along my "Widened Lines" route.;)
Thanks,
Mick Berg.

robd
April 30th, 2011, 06:51 PM
Here's a straightforward and totally selfish request, a "Sarah Siddons" type Metropolitan electric loco. Sorry I don't know its proper number. It would look good trundling along my "Widened Lines" route.;)
Thanks,
Mick Berg.

I want one too! Please.

Thanks,

Rob.

OldEric
April 30th, 2011, 06:54 PM
Hi Rob, thanks for that mate. :)

Must be an old model if it is one of blue's, but still worth a look.

EDIT: Just downloaded it, thank you again.

cheers,
Mike.

Hello IKB... Blue used to make some nice stuff back in 2004, you probably remembber it. I see he is now back in harness once more, so maybe he will make some more.

Eric:)

andi06
April 30th, 2011, 07:14 PM
Sarah Siddons along with LT R Stock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_R_Stock) are both on my 'it would be rude not to model list'. I've not found any drawings for either though. Do you know of a source?

Deano5
May 1st, 2011, 06:49 AM
John,
Glad to hear you can make buildings, there were so many wonderful station buildings in the UK, but so few within Trainz. I think we desperately need more as there is only so much you can do the limited amount we have to make them all look different from one and other.
Other simple things like notice boards, clocks, seats, lamps, name plates/signs, tickets and so on.
Although I am aware there are plenty of the smaller objects and buildings on the DLS, they are very old in graphics terms and unfortunately look right out of place in a route created in a modern Trainz. :)

johnwhelan
May 1st, 2011, 08:31 AM
John,
Glad to hear you can make buildings, there were so many wonderful station buildings in the UK, but so few within Trainz. I think we desperately need more as there is only so much you can do the limited amount we have to make them all look different from one and other.
Other simple things like notice boards, clocks, seats, lamps, name plates/signs, tickets and so on.
Although I am aware there are plenty of the smaller objects and buildings on the DLS, they are very old in graphics terms and unfortunately look right out of place in a route created in a modern Trainz. :)

On this sort of stuff the research is the hard part. It needs textures so photographs of brick walls, suitable windows etc. Plans of buildings would help as well.

It should be possible to build up a collection of these in Blender then put them together and export the entire station at once. That would save the 500 poly equivalent overhead for each sign etc.

Thanks John

robd
May 1st, 2011, 09:48 AM
Sarah Siddons along with LT R Stock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_R_Stock) are both on my 'it would be rude not to model list'. I've not found any drawings for either though. Do you know of a source?

@andi06

I'm on the track of some drawings for the Metropolitan 1200hp Bo-Bo, built in Barrow in Furness by Vickers Engineering in 1923ish. I am confidently sure "Sarah Siddons" No12, is of this type. I'll let you know in a few days if successful or not.

There was also No8 "Sherlock Holmes"

Rob.

Robertd81
May 1st, 2011, 10:18 AM
Sarah Siddons along with LT R Stock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_R_Stock) are both on my 'it would be rude not to model list'. I've not found any drawings for either though. Do you know of a source?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_...ithdrawn_stock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_rolling_stock#Withdrawn_stock)
http://www.ltmcollection.org/photos/...emes-main.html

May be of some use, not coming up with any blueprints as yet in searches, but will post links when I find some. Hope this helps a little at least.

Robertd81.

robd
May 1st, 2011, 10:19 AM
http://www.rrhobby.ca/metvicbobo.htm

IKB.

Thanks IKB, some interesting pics there.

Rob.

sterrett
May 1st, 2011, 11:01 AM
Glad to hear you can make buildings, there were so many wonderful station buildings in the UK, but so few within Trainz. I think we desperately need more as there is only so much you can do the limited amount we have to make them all look different from one and other.
Other simple things like notice boards, clocks, seats, lamps, name plates/signs, tickets and so on.

At the risk of appearing greedy, I would agree with you. We also need more signal boxes as the variety of design is also enormous. Throughout rural Britain, there were many designs of timber-clad signal boxes such as:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Instow-signal-box.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Crawley-signalbox-2008.JPG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Burnham-on-Sea_signal_box_at_Washford.jpg/600px-Burnham-on-Sea_signal_box_at_Washford.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Barham_Signal_Box.JPG/800px-Barham_Signal_Box.JPG

With the signalmen having hours of leisure time to spend during their shifts, well-tended flower beds and a vegetable patch or two were never far away!

johnwhelan
May 1st, 2011, 11:15 AM
At the risk of appearing greedy, I would agree with you. We also need more signal boxes as the variety of design is also enormous. Throughout rural Britain, there were many designs of timber-clad signal boxes such as:









With the signalmen having hours of leisure time to spend during their shifts, well-tended flower beds and a vegetable patch or two were never far away!

Magic, photos like these work very well, straight on ones work even better as you don't lose resolution as you try to straighten them.


Thanks John

mcguirel
May 1st, 2011, 11:25 AM
http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/7457/inprogressinterlock04.jpg

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While not UK Specific, here is something I have had done for about 4 weeks.
I can't figure out the texture mapping of the windows, thus it stopped.

johnwhelan
May 1st, 2011, 11:33 AM
While not UK Specific, here is something I have had done for about 4 weeks.
I can't figure out the texture mapping of the windows, thus it stopped.

I think you're working in 3ds so it should just be a matter of finding the correct texture setting for transparency.

Can anyone assist?

Thanks John

uracco
May 1st, 2011, 02:10 PM
Decent InterCity 125

johnwhelan
May 1st, 2011, 08:17 PM
John,
Glad to hear you can make buildings, there were so many wonderful station buildings in the UK, but so few within Trainz. I think we desperately need more as there is only so much you can do the limited amount we have to make them all look different from one and other.
Other simple things like notice boards, clocks, seats, lamps, name plates/signs, tickets and so on.
Although I am aware there are plenty of the smaller objects and buildings on the DLS, they are very old in graphics terms and unfortunately look right out of place in a route created in a modern Trainz. :)

Are you asking for something about the standard of "Albert Street" or are you after something along the lines of "Hotel Tilnowle 09" quality wise? If the latter then perhaps we need a selection at that standard.

Thanks John

hauntedclipp
May 1st, 2011, 11:29 PM
Am I too late for this?

I wouldn't know much of what is missing; but in terms of locos, there aren't any Atlantics and not many of those lovely singles. Late 19th to early 20th century stuff. That Stirling single on the DLS is nice, but it's a bit dated.

Again, sorry if my ideas were already suggested by someone else, but I wanted to post something before I had to leave tonight!

ray_whiley
May 2nd, 2011, 02:03 AM
Are you asking for something about the standard of "Albert Street" or are you after something along the lines of "Hotel Tilnowle 09" quality wise? If the latter then perhaps we need a selection at that standard.


John - this question of quality is, in my opinion, important. A short time ago I suggested in another thread, on the subject of 'how accurate is accurate', that the quality or accuracy to be aimed at in constructing a building depends on its viewing distance - ie. lower detail if intended as background rather than trackside scenery. For example, I spent some time making railwaymen's cottages with (for me) high detail - individual window sills, drainpipes, etc. The poly count was much higher than that recommended for a building! So recently I've gone more for 'flat' textures, rather like the good old Vacy-Ash building kits (thin card - still available in the UK, at least up to a couple of years ago) - and that dates me, I know! - and state in the DLS description that they are 'intended mainly for building up background scenery'.

For my own use, I find this acceptable - and my main reason for making buildings is so that I can use them, although I am happy to share. But what do others think?

Ray

robd
May 2nd, 2011, 04:38 AM
Rob,

i know this loco has a cab interior view, but when i use the 1 camera view and the [ ] keys i get two views that are outside the loco ( on each side of the cab ). Do you have the same, it would be nice to be able to view the track ahead from actually on the footplate. ;)

IKB.

Yes Mike, I get the same, just the views either side of the cab, no cab interior view or track view from footplate. I'm not sure how this can be changed, I think the original maker, blue, will be the only person able to change the views.

Rob.

Deano5
May 2nd, 2011, 05:17 AM
Although I hate to use this term, it may just explain my point.
As is mentioned by a few people here, a lot of assets from the old days look like "Cartoon creations" as apposed to the modern realistic photo image assets.
I don't like to sound unappreciative of the free content available, but I hope this helps explain my point. :wave:
It is nice to pull into a station that looks like the real world and not from a Hanna Barbara cartoon. :hehe:

TheStoon
May 2nd, 2011, 05:19 AM
I think we're missing some really good quality UK Track. Most specifically 3rd and 4th rail.

CaptEngland
May 2nd, 2011, 05:59 AM
John - this question of quality is, in my opinion, important. A short time ago I suggested in another thread, on the subject of 'how accurate is accurate', that the quality or accuracy to be aimed at in constructing a building depends on its viewing distance - ie. lower detail if intended as background rather than trackside scenery. For example, I spent some time making railwaymen's cottages with (for me) high detail - individual window sills, drainpipes, etc. The poly count was much higher than that recommended for a building! So recently I've gone more for 'flat' textures, rather like the good old Vacy-Ash building kits (thin card - still available in the UK, at least up to a couple of years ago) - and that dates me, I know! - and state in the DLS description that they are 'intended mainly for building up background scenery'.

For my own use, I find this acceptable - and my main reason for making buildings is so that I can use them, although I am happy to share. But what do others think?

Ray

Hi Ray and others.

As long as a basic model can be re-skinned, then texture wise a good model with a `cartoonish` paint skin can always be spruced up. A good example is the repaints of some of the older models on the DLS into more modern photo realistic skins.

As for locomotive and coach colours, Maybe what we all need is a set standard of colours that any of us can use for repainting. At the moment, I'm using a Railmatch piant chart off the web for most of my repaints. I have also seen a couple of files on UKtrainsim with a set of different colour samples.

Maybe if we get a panel of respected re-skinners to judge, could we get a agreed standard set of colour samples (perhaps a uk based group already have a set?).

As for copyright, is there such a thing as colour copyrights here in the UK?

Regards

robd
May 2nd, 2011, 07:02 AM
Hi Ray and others.

As long as a basic model can be re-skinned, then texture wise a good model with a `cartoonish` paint skin can always be spruced up. A good example is the repaints of some of the older models on the DLS into more modern photo realistic skins.

As for locomotive and coach colours, Maybe what we all need is a set standard of colours that any of us can use for repainting. At the moment, I'm using a Railmatch piant chart off the web for most of my repaints. I have also seen a couple of files on UKtrainsim with a set of different colour samples.

Maybe if we get a panel of respected re-skinners to judge, could we get a agreed standard set of colour samples (perhaps a uk based group already have a set?).

As for copyright, is there such a thing as colour copyrights here in the UK?

Regards

With regard to colour I think this a highly subjective matter i.e. what looks perfectly correct and adequate to one person may look totally incorrect to another person when viewed on their computer monitors.

I think standard colours would only work if everybody using Trainz had the same high quality monitors, the type that professional photographers use where colour can be set up to the minutest and most accurate adjustments.

Most of us have to plod along with our average quality monitors I suspect.

Rob.

robd
May 2nd, 2011, 07:03 AM
Appreciate the reply Rob, thank you.

I think there is a way to change the position in the cab, but not sure how.

cheers,
Mike.
Hi Mike, you could be right about that but I, like you, haven't got a clue!

Rob.

andi06
May 2nd, 2011, 07:12 AM
Make sure that you have -freeintcam in your trainzoptions.txt file.

Run TRS, go to cab view and use the keyboard arrows (which will now allow free adjustments) to find the view that you want. Take a note of the long string of numbers which is displayed on screen.

Close TRS and open the interior asset for edit. Add the number list you noted down as a new item in the 'cameralist' table. If you want this to be the default view add or modify the 'cameradefault' value to match the new index.

Commit the asset and reload TRS.

airtime
May 2nd, 2011, 07:17 AM
I think we're missing some really good quality UK Track. Most specifically 3rd and 4th rail.

I would have to agree with TheStoon, Realistic UK gauge track, with and without various 3rd and 4th rail, along with workable switches that match the track, with moving blades, would be a nice addition to Train Simulator...

Or, some nice UK workable level crossings, the level crossings we have at the minute are ok, but you either get the road dissapearing into the baseboard when attached to a level crossing, or the road is hollow underneath were the tracks are, so the road and the traffic float over the crossing...

The ATLS Boat level crossings are good, but take an age to build and set up, and need a multitude of dependencies to get them working right, I never use the level crossings in Trainz for this specific reason...

If the crossings were already built, with barriers and a road with all the hatch markings, with say a box you can open, saying at what distance you want the barriers to fall, or gates to close before the train arrives, would be brilliant, or even attached movable track markers with the crossing, so the timeing of the barriers can be set to drop, and open once a train has been, would be an excellent addition to Train Simulator. It is quite sad that a rail simulator doesnt even have accuratly working level crossings, that are ready to go once placed on the baseboard.

Many thanks to anyone who takes up the challenge, if they dare...;)

Joe Airtime

robd
May 2nd, 2011, 07:40 AM
Make sure that you have -freeintcam in your trainzoptions.txt file.

Run TRS, go to cab view and use the keyboard arrows (which will now allow free adjustments) to find the view that you want. Take a note of the long string of numbers which is displayed on screen.

Close TRS and open the interior asset for edit. Add the number list you noted down as a new item in the 'cameralist' table. If you want this to be the default view add or modify the 'cameradefault' value to match the new index.

Commit the asset and reload TRS.

@andi06

Thanks for that, I'll give it a try.

Rob.

paulzmay
May 2nd, 2011, 08:19 AM
Did someone say signal boxes?

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b124/paulzmay/Content/paulzmay_20110502_0000.jpg

I might be persuaded to convert this one to re-nameable, and perhaps even consider a smaller cousin along the same lines. A re-vamp with normal mapping is on my long-list of things to do already...

Paul

stovepipe
May 2nd, 2011, 08:33 AM
Make sure that you have -freeintcam in your trainzoptions.txt file.

Run TRS, go to cab view and use the keyboard arrows (which will now allow free adjustments) to find the view that you want. Take a note of the long string of numbers which is displayed on screen.

Close TRS and open the interior asset for edit. Add the number list you noted down as a new item in the 'cameralist' table. If you want this to be the default view add or modify the 'cameradefault' value to match the new index.

Commit the asset and reload TRS.

I don't think that will give the desired results, as it the Stirling Single uses the A4 cab, and what I understand is wanted is a view from the Stirling cab itself (which is reasonably modelled).

You can do it by adding additional a.outsideview attachment points using PEV attachment maker, and then referencing the attach mesh in the loco config.

I've done this on quite a few locos, I can post an example if required.

You can also add whistle and safety valve effects in the same way, using Lielestosbrat's twinkles effects. And if you are really adventurous you can even get headcodes lamps functioning, by borrowing scripts. It can really improve the feel of an older loco.

robd
May 2nd, 2011, 09:21 AM
Make sure that you have -freeintcam in your trainzoptions.txt file.

Run TRS, go to cab view and use the keyboard arrows (which will now allow free adjustments) to find the view that you want. Take a note of the long string of numbers which is displayed on screen.

Close TRS and open the interior asset for edit. Add the number list you noted down as a new item in the 'cameralist' table. If you want this to be the default view add or modify the 'cameradefault' value to match the new index.

Commit the asset and reload TRS.

Tried and it worked for me! Thanks one again.

Rob.

ray_whiley
May 2nd, 2011, 09:53 AM
Proper coal staithes (drops)



As far as I know, these were typical only of North-East England and not used elsewhere in the UK - I'm not aware of any others. Having said that, they would make a good model and there is a drawing in Edward Beal's 'Modelling the Old-Time Railways' (published in 1955) which tempts me.

I believe some were raised above ground level - as appears to be the case in the referenced photograph - whilst some were at ground level with a lowered approach road for lorries - perhaps someone in the know could clarify. Raised coal staithes/drop would be easy to make with a sloping aproach - but Edward Beal's drawing suggests an associated loop connecting to the staithes track at each end (locos were of course not allowed to cross.) Would a single approach track without loop be acceptable/prototypical? Any below ground level in Trainz would, I feel, need to be placed in a trough or dighole.

Ray

Robertd81
May 2nd, 2011, 10:17 AM
Here's a straightforward and totally selfish request, a "Sarah Siddons" type Metropolitan electric loco. Sorry I don't know its proper number. It would look good trundling along my "Widened Lines" route.;)
Thanks,
Mick Berg.


Found the following photo links for this specific type:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Metropolitan_Railway_No_12_Sarah_Siddons_1.jp g
http://www.rrhobby.ca/metvicbobo.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Metropolitan_Railway_electric_locomotive,_17_ (CJ_Allen,_Steel_Highway,_1928).jpg
http://www.trainweb.org/tubeprune/Sarah%20Siddons.jpg

Hope they are of any use, and hope one day to see her in Trainz.
Peace.

Robertd81

stovepipe
May 2nd, 2011, 10:27 AM
Tried and it worked for me! Thanks one again.

Rob.

Err yes I guess it would.......if you hadn't changed the cab to get it to work in TC3 like me. My problem is I've forgotten what I've hacked...... Apologies to Andi for the incorrect cut-in.

........although the outsideview technique is still pretty handy for getting cab views where the interior is a generic one.

chefbyte
May 2nd, 2011, 10:40 AM
Could i just add back on topic. That what we also need badly are some decent cabviews for the Deltic and EE Type 3.

The Auran originals are now well passed their sell by date.

It is also my personal opinion that including them in TS12, does not reflect well on a simulator released in 2011.

IKB.

Totally agree on the above post, its time these two had a makeover!

chefbyte
May 2nd, 2011, 10:47 AM
Small Signal box anyone?

http://dinner450.com/screenshots/ludborough/DSC_0045.jpg

http://dinner450.com/screenshots/ludborough/DSC_0046.jpg

http://dinner450.com/screenshots/ludborough/DSC_0047.jpg

http://dinner450.com/screenshots/ludborough/DSC_0052.jpg

And look what pulled in, as I was there!

http://dinner450.com/screenshots/ludborough/DSC_0069.jpg

stovepipe
May 2nd, 2011, 11:16 AM
As far as I know, these were typical only of North-East England and not used elsewhere in the UK - I'm not aware of any others. Having said that, they would make a good model and there is a drawing in Edward Beal's 'Modelling the Old-Time Railways' (published in 1955) which tempts me.

I believe some were raised above ground level - as appears to be the case in the referenced photograph - whilst some were at ground level with a lowered approach road for lorries - perhaps someone in the know could clarify. Raised coal staithes/drop would be easy to make with a sloping aproach - but Edward Beal's drawing suggests an associated loop connecting to the staithes track at each end (locos were of course not allowed to cross.) Would a single approach track without loop be acceptable/prototypical? Any below ground level in Trainz would, I feel, need to be placed in a trough or dighole.

Ray

Yes I think mostly NER area, but not exclusively so. The GWR had some at Bridgnorth for example.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rorysmith/4914249282/

Here is a more elaborate example at Beamish Museum, from West Boldon originally.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/beamishmuseum/3468087660/

Interestingly it seems engines were sometimes allowed on the drops, see this picture at Selby
http://www.flickr.com/photos/loose_grip_99/4600448037/

I've only ever seen/heard of single ended examples, and above ground would be just fine!

chefbyte
May 2nd, 2011, 12:35 PM
There is one on the NYMR at Goathland?

I have a partial picture of it here: - https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/FGkVR3D_kjXa4scRJdwb-Q?feat=directlink

Full picture here of a model: - http://glostransporthistory.visit-gloucestershire.co.uk/images/CLIC%20Masham%20NER%20Goathland%20coal%20drop.jpg

Some others I have found
http://glostransporthistory.visit-gloucestershire.co.uk/images/CLIC%20Masham%20coaldrop%20rear.jpg

ray_whiley
May 3rd, 2011, 01:48 AM
Many thanks, Stovepipe, for the information and pointing me to the very interesting photos.

After posting yesterday, I remembered that some time ago there had been an article on NE coal staithes in 'Model Railways'. I decided to look it up, not knowing which copy it was in - and was surprised to find it in the first one I opened! - not my usual luck when looking for something.

The Model Railways' in question is the one for January 1972- yes, nearly forty years ago - and shows photos of the coal staithes at Alnwick, quite adequate for making a model - so I feel even more tempted. The notes confirm that the staithes could be at ground level or raised, depending on the local terrain, and say that there may be a loop on the approach to release empty wagons. Beal's diagram shows the staithes actually located on the loop - but although Beal was a formative influence in British railway modelling for many years, he was not always known for strict accuracy.

In summary, it looks as though 'anything goes' - as always.

Ray

sterrett
May 3rd, 2011, 12:10 PM
Did someone say signal boxes?

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b124/paulzmay/Content/paulzmay_20110502_0000.jpg

I might be persuaded to convert this one to re-nameable, and perhaps even consider a smaller cousin along the same lines. A re-vamp with normal mapping is on my long-list of things to do already...

Paul

Thank you Paul.

As far as I am concerned, the more siggy boxes there are available, the better as these were one of the strongest features that showed (a) the importance of the junction/station/yard controlled by the box and (b) to which part of the railway they belonged. Despite the grouping of the "big four", all of the small individual railway companies had their own style of architecture and the signal box, and the station buildings reflected this. For example, in the West Country, the London & South Western Railway engaged an architect by the name of William Tite

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/%7Eowend/I/R/stnpages/morchardroadplat.jpg

http://ndrailusers.wikispaces.com/file/view/issue7_1.jpg/30046545/issue7_1.jpg

.........and, of course, there are still some styles of station name missing:

http://www.tracksideltd.co.uk/sites/default/files/imagecache/product_full/BARNSTAPLE%20JUNCTION.jpg

[http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GRV7nLkgGIg/TPgsUyk20TI/AAAAAAAAAWk/jkr7RLF34dI/s1600/Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysilio gogogoch_station_sign_%2528cropped_version_1%2529. jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GRV7nLkgGIg/TPgsUyk20TI/AAAAAAAAAWk/jkr7RLF34dI/s1600/Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysilio gogogoch_station_sign_%2528cropped_version_1%2529. jpg/img])

http://www.spavalleyrailway.co.uk/StationSigns.JPG

meyshollop
May 3rd, 2011, 12:38 PM
Personally i think It's no so much new content that we need so much as revamping of old content - take WEN or Pikkabirds old stuff for example, great, accurate models, but outdated, they need upgrading to stuff like opening doors and larger 'baked' textures, especially stuff like the 121/117 DMUs and pikkas 08 :)

just my 2 cents

meyshollop

Robertd81
May 3rd, 2011, 01:28 PM
Personally i think It's no so much new content that we need so much as revamping of old content - take WEN or Pikkabirds old stuff for example, great, accurate models, but outdated, they need upgrading to stuff like opening doors and larger 'baked' textures, especially stuff like the 121/117 DMUs and pikkas 08 :)

just my 2 cents

meyshollop

For what it's worth, I agree with this, there is a lot of content that fits the bill perfectly, but could do with upgrading to current texturing / features levels. Am still sticking with my grumble of there being almost no UK art-deco / 20's and 30's styled buildings. It's hard to get the look right sometimes, even using some of the USA content on DLS.

Robertd81

johnwhelan
May 3rd, 2011, 01:45 PM
Personally i think It's no so much new content that we need so much as revamping of old content - take WEN or Pikkabirds old stuff for example, great, accurate models, but outdated, they need upgrading to stuff like opening doors and larger 'baked' textures, especially stuff like the 121/117 DMUs and pikkas 08 :)

just my 2 cents

meyshollop

Opening doors are a major rework. Starting with Pikkabird's "BR MK1 BG Blue & Grey" the .im file from pev's tools is 69kb and the texture size is 256 by 512.

Compare that to my 1922 3rd class coach 664kb for the .im file plus 160 kb for the interior, 160k for the lefthand doors, and 160 kb for the right hand doors. Textures are 1024 by 1024 and there are a couple.

The sticking points would probably be the textures. Making a texture smaller is easy, making it larger and more detailed in more difficult.

Even if you could get the sources they'd probably be in GMAX which is fine for the simpler stuff but not so fashionable or good for the more complex items.

Besides I think the S&C as the Mk1's covered fairly well.

Cheerio John

johnwhelan
May 3rd, 2011, 01:48 PM
Thank you Paul.

As far as I am concerned, the more siggy boxes there are available, the better as these were one of the strongest features that showed (a) the importance of the junction/station/yard controlled by the box and (b) to which part of the railway they belonged. Despite the grouping of the "big four", all of the small individual railway companies had their own style of architecture and the signal box, and the station buildings reflected this. For example, in the West Country, the London & South Western Railway engaged an architect by the name of William Tite





.........and, of course, there are still some styles of station name missing:

http://www.tracksideltd.co.uk/sites/default/files/imagecache/product_full/BARNSTAPLE%20JUNCTION.jpg

[http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GRV7nLkgGIg/TPgsUyk20TI/AAAAAAAAAWk/jkr7RLF34dI/s1600/Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysilio gogogoch_station_sign_%2528cropped_version_1%2529. jpg/img]

[IMG]http://www.spavalleyrailway.co.uk/StationSigns.JPG

Got some dimensions of the signs and any idea of the fonts? They should be quick and easy to knock out.

Cheerio John

Mick_Berg
May 3rd, 2011, 10:58 PM
Sarah Siddons along with LT R Stock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_R_Stock) are both on my 'it would be rude not to model list'. I've not found any drawings for either though. Do you know of a source?
If I'd thought about it a bit harder, I would have requested an R stock (or P, or O, or S, or any of the other variants) before a Sarah Siddons.
But I'd be grateful for either of them. I'm making an O stock as my first real Blender project, but I know it won't be up to the standard of yous guys.
Mick Berg.

sterrett
May 4th, 2011, 01:11 AM
Got some dimensions of the signs and any idea of the fonts? They should be quick and easy to knock out.

Cheerio John

Great - I will try to find out, otherwise I'll do a good estimate.

How about:

http://www.mountainwalk.co.uk/sn%20llanfair%20pg.jpg

(This was one I was trying to show earlier - and, yes, it' a genuine station!)

ray_whiley
May 4th, 2011, 02:56 PM
sterret - good to see this sign. I was there last year and photographed the platform sign rather than the one on the building.

Ray

tankbob
May 4th, 2011, 06:01 PM
Many thanks, Stovepipe, for the information and pointing me to the very interesting photos.

After posting yesterday, I remembered that some time ago there had been an article on NE coal staithes in 'Model Railways'. I decided to look it up, not knowing which copy it was in - and was surprised to find it in the first one I opened! - not my usual luck when looking for something.

The Model Railways' in question is the one for January 1972- yes, nearly forty years ago - and shows photos of the coal staithes at Alnwick, quite adequate for making a model - so I feel even more tempted. The notes confirm that the staithes could be at ground level or raised, depending on the local terrain, and say that there may be a loop on the approach to release empty wagons. Beal's diagram shows the staithes actually located on the loop - but although Beal was a formative influence in British railway modelling for many years, he was not always known for strict accuracy.

In summary, it looks as though 'anything goes' - as always.

Ray
coal staithes would be a great adition the dunston staithes are still there more or less after some moron tried to burn them down they would make any north east route look better you can see them well in google earth.

cheers bob

DieselDesires
May 5th, 2011, 12:55 PM
Great - I will try to find out, otherwise I'll do a good estimate.

How about:

http://www.mountainwalk.co.uk/sn%20llanfair%20pg.jpg

(This was one I was trying to show earlier - and, yes, it' a genuine station!)

Does this have a shorter "Generic" name or do they issue bloody big tickets to get there? :D

ray_whiley
May 5th, 2011, 02:29 PM
Does this have a shorter "Generic" name or do they issue bloody big tickets to get there? :D

This does indeed have a shorter name, ie. 'Llanfair PG' which is presumably used for tickets. In fact, I understand that the name was made up by the locals as a tourist ploy and does not have any basis in history. Unless, of course, a local reads this and can add more information!

Judging from my visit (which was actually two years ago, not last year - how time flies! - it works well as a tourist attraction. The centre next door - a sort of mix of shopping, restaurant and I believe so-called 'amusements' - was heaving (with people).

Ray

'The name means: St Mary's Church (Llanfair) in the hollow (pwll) of the white hazel (gwyngyll) near (goger) the rapid whirlpool (y chwyrndrobwll) and the church of St Tysilio (http://forums.auran.com/wiki/Tysilio) (llantysilio) by the red cave ([a]g ogo goch).' (Quoted from Wiki)

ray_whiley
May 5th, 2011, 02:38 PM
coal staithes would be a great adition the dunston staithes are still there more or less after some moron tried to burn them down they would make any north east route look better you can see them well in google earth.


Bob, I made a start on using the Beal drawing this afternoon as a basis for a simple set of rural coal staithes. I feel quite pleased with the result as a model, although the temporary textures leave a lot to be desired. The staithes are raised above ground level so will need an approach track (a matching spline) and can be used single or double ended, ie. on a dead end or a loop.

Once this set is finished I'll use the drawings of the Alnwick staithes to make a larger set. There's a drawing somewhere of the weighbridge and office at Alnwick which would be useful - I'll try to find it.

Ray

stovepipe
May 5th, 2011, 02:52 PM
Bob, I made a start on using the Beal drawing this afternoon as a basis for a simple set of rural coal staithes. I feel quite pleased with the result as a model, although the temporary textures leave a lot to be desired. The staithes are raised above ground level so will need an approach track (a matching spline) and can be used single or double ended, ie. on a dead end or a loop.

Once this set is finished I'll use the drawings of the Alnwick staithes to make a larger set. There's a drawing somewhere of the weighbridge and office at Alnwick which would be useful - I'll try to find it.

Ray

I look forward to seeing what you come up with Ray. Thanks for picking the idea up.

tankbob
May 6th, 2011, 05:03 AM
Bob, I made a start on using the Beal drawing this afternoon as a basis for a simple set of rural coal staithes. I feel quite pleased with the result as a model, although the temporary textures leave a lot to be desired. The staithes are raised above ground level so will need an approach track (a matching spline) and can be used single or double ended, ie. on a dead end or a loop.

Once this set is finished I'll use the drawings of the Alnwick staithes to make a larger set. There's a drawing somewhere of the weighbridge and office at Alnwick which would be useful - I'll try to find it.

Ray
I also look forward to seeing these and thank you for your hard work in advance,i feel a new route will be in order just have to search out some old
track plans maybe something around the blyth area or the old stella power station.

cheers bob

ray_whiley
May 6th, 2011, 02:27 PM
The name was made up, purely so that the station could have the longest name in the UK.


IKB - thank you for confirming what I had heard. I believe Ely is the shortest - although it would be rivalled by Quy where I think there may have been a station but haven't checked.

Ray

andi06
May 6th, 2011, 04:04 PM
She had to steal some shoes, and she has no make-up or jewellery but she managed to escape.

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd367/andi061/andi06_20110506_0005.jpg

robd
May 7th, 2011, 11:51 AM
@andi06

Nice one! do you still require drawings of Met 1200hp Bo-Bo? I have emailed you.

Rob.

bassist118
May 7th, 2011, 12:13 PM
Andi06 I cud kiss you........ Been wanting one of those for ages, nearly given up hope and she looks very nice too. The only problem is that I have tooooooo much route work to start a London underground Route :'(:'(.

Thank-ooooooo

:Y::Y:

Andy

stovepipe
May 7th, 2011, 01:16 PM
Well, well well, that is a surprise!

Capt_Haddock
May 7th, 2011, 03:03 PM
Back to John's original question.....

Single line token exchange apparatus; I appreciate that,to be any good, a fair bit of scripting would be involved (to achieve full block working).

True single line token working would involve one train being given complete control of an entire block, with a simple way of relinquishing control once the next exchange apparatus is reached.

This (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/3-sigs/comscont.htm) article explains the prototypical working method.

Yours in hope

Chris

daviday
May 7th, 2011, 03:16 PM
I used to live 35kms from "Ayr"

daviday
May 7th, 2011, 03:19 PM
Very welcome, Ray.

I have never heard of Quy, but there could be other 3 letter place names in the UK, with a railway station. ;)

I know Ayr has a station.

IKB.
Do you know about "Barassie Works", my father was the head shunter there since 1956 !?

paulkay21
May 8th, 2011, 02:22 AM
but in the 1960s the network was crawling (literally?) with green DMUs. I know that they are not everyones cup of tea but they are decidedly lacking in Trainz.

Unfortunately I would think that they are an absolute pain to build.

Still if anyone has the desire and capability...

Cheers
Paul

rumour3
May 8th, 2011, 02:36 AM
IKB - thank you for confirming what I had heard. I believe Ely is the shortest - although it would be rivalled by Quy where I think there may have been a station but haven't checked.

Ray
Not sure whether the station name was Quy or Stow Cum Quy, but it did have a station on the Cambridge - Mildenhall branch. Lord-Claud-Hamilton has made an excellent representation of it that is available on the DLS: http://www.auran.com/TRS2004/DLS_viewasset.php?AssetID=136737

R3

robd
May 8th, 2011, 10:55 AM
@andi06

A link to some pics of Sarah Siddons interior:

http://citytransport.info/Sarah-Siddons.htm

Rob.

jnjkerbin
May 8th, 2011, 11:31 AM
Very welcome, Ray.

I have never heard of Quy, but there could be other 3 letter place names in the UK, with a railway station. ;)

I know Ayr has a station.

IKB.

There is also Ore and Rye, both in South East england, as well as the rather obscure IBM station in Scotland. Really! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_railway_station :hehe:
Joe:)

jnjkerbin
May 9th, 2011, 12:42 AM
Joe,

Rye i know of but not Ore.

IBM is secret..........Intercontinental Ballistic Missile station. :D

IKB.

:hehe:
Joe

ray_whiley
May 9th, 2011, 09:30 AM
Not sure whether the station name was Quy or Stow Cum Quy, but it did have a station on the Cambridge - Mildenhall branch.


Yes, I remember it was Stow cum Quy - closed. There was also Eye - also closed - in Suffolk. Perhaps I should have said the shortest name for a station in England still open was Ely - but perhaps Rye is still there?

That's enough - let's get back to the original topic! Coal staithes almost finished plus a matching embankment to make an approach. Just 'mining' - I mean miming - some coal!

Ray

tankbob
May 9th, 2011, 10:45 AM
looking forward to the staithes have found some track plans from old pits and wagon ways i feel a new route comming on lol

thanks bob

jnjkerbin
May 9th, 2011, 10:59 AM
Perhaps I should have said the shortest name for a station in England still open was Ely - but perhaps Rye is still there?

It is.:)
Joe:)

Mick_Berg
May 9th, 2011, 01:33 PM
She had to steal some shoes, and she has no make-up or jewellery but she managed to escape......wonderful picture......


Andi, when are you going to release these? You're driving me crazy!!!!!!
Whose shoes (I presume you meant bogeys) did she steal, would they be suitable for "O" stock?
I actually travelled on a Sarah Siddons-hauled train when I was a kid. Got on at Farringdon, off at Kings Cross.
:udrool: :mop: :udrool: :Y: :clap:
Mick Berg.

Mick_Berg
May 9th, 2011, 02:24 PM
Andi06 I cud kiss you........ Been wanting one of those for ages, nearly given up hope and she looks very nice too. The only problem is that I have tooooooo much route work to start a London underground Route :'(:'(.

Thank-ooooooo

:Y::Y:

AndyI have made a 50's Widened Lines route, that's why I'm so keen to get this wonderful stuff from Andi06. It will improve the route enormously. All I need now is some pre-1959 LU stock.
Mick Berg.

andi06
May 9th, 2011, 04:53 PM
I only started on Sarah last week so you will need to be patient.

The bogies are from my 5Bel Motor Brake, wheelbase and sideframes are wrong but other than that its quite close so I will probably edit it to make a new bogie. I doubt that it would fit later sub surface stock but you could try, there are always the D Stock bogies.

The rest of my new stock and updates have been waiting on some minor modifications to ACS from Bloodnok. I have these now so they just need to be checked out.

wasp1
May 9th, 2011, 06:15 PM
Hi all,

A am impressed with the great content we have today being created by these selfless members who have fantastic ability to build for Trainz.
My layouts cover England int he 1960 era in rural Devon/Cornwall.
There is a lot of fantastic content already out there for us who can't build. The great add-ons from the S&C the cars, trucks, tractors and people plus the huge range of content from Domsarto, Angela, Bob Sanders, Ultra Trees, JVC, Tafweb, Pofig etc etc.
Like Deano5 earlier I am after stuff that appears to be either gone due to old content. There were road and street signs I used and would love to have again with the ability to place names on them. Street content, the old UK bins, more farm implements, old rusty farm stuff. Iknow there is a lot around but specific farm clutter.
A few more 1950/60 UK people in street scenes, sweeping, climbing ladders, selling goods and some old market square scene stuff. Old stalls and fish mongers etc.

Again thanks for the great content guys and girls and keep up the great content.

Ray

SodorProductions
May 9th, 2011, 07:00 PM
Hm, has anyone ever considered making Aerolite for Trainz? She's the NER X1 replica on display at the NRM.

And to "Thomas" fans reading this thread and post- no, Aerolite and "Whiff" are not the same. HiT did that as a joke, and it's a very offensive ones to railfans who know the engine's history. Making a saloon engine a rubbish-hauling engine...it's dishonourable!

jayholland
May 10th, 2011, 10:14 AM
I agree that there is a sad dearth of earlier content in the way of buildings, structures etc. I am trying to build a reasonably accurate representation of the Cuckoo Line in East Sussex, in the 1950s. There was not much suitable content, so I decided to try to build my own. I am still very much a learner with gmax, so my stuff is quite simple and probably not that good, but it may be of some use. I have succeeded in producing a number of items relating to the line itself and also generally to the south-east UK. I have recently released some of these to the DLS. I started by re-skinning (with his kind permission) Kemplen's models of LBSCR buildings into SR colours. I have now added several bridges, abutments, walls, the tunnel portal, the little platform signal box (in two versions), the two delicate swan-neck gas lamps, the water crane (ex Horsted Keynes) the large and imposing Station Hotel to the right of the station (should actually be just up the road, out of shot - it is modelled on the ones still extant at Horam and Mayfield), the cottage next to it, a couple of oast houses and so on. More stuff is on my 'to do' list. Any particular requests or suggestions welcome.

http://www.exbourne.freeserve.co.uk/hsr1jpg.jpg

http://www.exbourne.freeserve.co.uk/hsr2.jpg

Paulsw2
May 10th, 2011, 02:40 PM
I've downloaded this really nice SR stuff. Great reskin of the Kemplen LBSC assets! But, have you checked the overbridge as I seem to recall it was too low for trains to go under?

Paul

jayholland
May 10th, 2011, 05:00 PM
Yes, it is a bit on the tight side, but you can fit a train under it with care and a bit of juggling about. All the original LBSC assets in this set appear to be about 25% underscale. I discovered this because I wanted a mirror image of the station house for Heathfield, so I decided to make one, working from the original drawings which are still kept in the house itself. It was only when I exported the basic mesh to Trainz I discovered the discrepancy....

Mick_Berg
July 1st, 2011, 01:19 AM
To get back to the original purpose of this thread - another selfish request from me, a LU battery loco. There was a nice one made for MSTS, but there isn't one for Trainz, except my own which is dreadful and will never see the light of day. There are lots of nice ventilation grilles on this loco to practice your bump mapping skills...............
This one is in yellow, for me it would need to be red, circa 1965. I used to see these occasionally transferring 1938 LU Tube stock from Wellington Carriage Sidings in Highgate to Drayton Park near Finsbury Park, over the otherwise disused (and non-electrified) Finsbury Park to Highgate line. This was stopped in 1968 when the road bridge over the line at Crouch End Hill was deemed to be unsafe. And of course they were often seen pulling maintenance trains on the regular underground, usually late at night.
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj70/mickberg/BatteryLocoYellow.jpg

Mick Berg.

hope5
July 4th, 2011, 01:52 PM
We need an east lancashire pug 0-4-0ST, And a peckett and son's peckett 0-4-0ST And maybe a freeware class 56, Complete with muck and grime for those merry go round coal routes.
(edit) Some pictures to illustrate what i mean.
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz153/starwarman11/peckett.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz153/starwarman11/class56.jpg
I couldn't dig out a decent picture of a pug.

johnwhelan
July 4th, 2011, 03:43 PM
We need an east lancashire pug 0-4-0ST. And maybe a freeware class 56, Complete with muck and grime for those merry go round coal routes.

Can you dig out a couple of photos and possibly a plan or two? It might encourage some one to have a look.

Thanks John

Robertd81
July 4th, 2011, 10:48 PM
Two words... Art-Deco.
Nothing evokes the 1920's, 30's and 40's like British Art-Deco. From the fantastic tube stations of greater London, to the Burgh Island hotel off the coast of Devon (where Agatha Christie wrote many of her books). It would be lovely to see some of these marvellous buildings come to life again in Trainz... we have dozens of 1930's travel posters to put up on our routes, but not very much by way of a place to display them.
Of course this is only my humble opinion, but the 'age of the train' really was during the age of Art-Deco.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Senate_House,_University_of_London.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RIBA_London.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bbc_broadcasting_house_front.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BirminghamBarberInstitute.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:StAndrewsHouse-Edinburgh.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sea_Tractor_and_Burgh_Island_Hotel_on_Burgh_I sland,_Devon,_England.jpg

Peace.
Robertd81

Mick_Berg
September 17th, 2011, 02:04 PM
Deleted, inappropriate.
Mick Berg.

angelah
September 18th, 2011, 03:59 AM
Wow, done your homework there stovepipe..!! Well done.

I think Ray Whiley made a small coaling stage for merchants like that one.
I made two, one in brick, one in stone and lower than the brick one.
I suppose I could remake it with those stone-built bays underneath....
My brick version is set to work with multiple industry 2:102376:63032:2. When put into the stage they level at the correct height so track can be attached to this asset. Same with the lower outside track.

Also I have tried to use that coaling tower (the Carnforth copy) but when a loco is set to run to it under AI it cannot find it. I gave up on it in the end. My problem with the would be attachment points because I struggled a lot with the brick coaling stage and even with Bendorsey's help we could not get it past CMP due to errors, which Ben said there wasn't...??? It nearly drove us both batty for quite a long time.
So I could build this tall stage but may not be able to get it to connect up to tracks...

Right now I am working on section three of WCL and am up to Bruton. I have soon discovered there are not many varieties of small industrial units suitable for UK routes so am about to make a few for Bruton yard.
The sewage bins I made for this route as well and the last 2 farm barns.

I don't do rolling stock, just don't know enough about it.

Angela

ex-railwayman
September 18th, 2011, 04:36 AM
Good morning Angela,

I noticed that there are quite a lot of Industrial buildings built-in on the TS2010 Trainz version, but, they are nearly all white in colour, however, if they're built-in assets I doubt if anyone can alter the colours/shapes of them for the community. I also have quite a few creations from DomSarto, but, with Dominic being laid up in hospital currently, I don't know what he has on his 'drawing board' for completion for future releases.

I love your pubs anyway, we can never have enough boozing houses......:hehe:

I was going to add, and I apologise to John for hijacking his thread momentarily, but, do you lovely content creators know what each other is building, as there may be some items that are possibly being created as we speak.

Cheerz. ex-railwayman. :wave:

johnwhelan
September 18th, 2011, 06:32 AM
Good morning Angela,

I noticed that there are quite a lot of Industrial buildings built-in on the TS2010 Trainz version, but, they are nearly all white in colour, however, if they're built-in assets I doubt if anyone can alter the colours/shapes of them for the community. I also have quite a few creations from DomSarto, but, with Dominic being laid up in hospital currently, I don't know what he has on his 'drawing board' for completion for future releases.

I love your pubs anyway, we can never have enough boozing houses......:hehe:

I was going to add, and I apologise to John for hijacking his thread momentarily, but, do you lovely content creators know what each other is building, as there may be some items that are possibly being created as we speak.

Cheerz. ex-railwayman. :wave:

I've no idea what I'm building never mind anyone else. Scenery objects are usually small projects so get built fairly rapidly. Locos are a bit specialised and there is or used to be a list somewhere or what was planned. Wagons and coaches so few are made its unlikely that two models of the same thing will be produced.

To me the thread is just an area for discussion. I had a vague idea I might be finishing one project shortly so was looking for inspiration but its taking longer than I thought.

Cheerio John

klambert
September 18th, 2011, 07:42 AM
Personally I would like to see more 70s and 80s UK cars on the DLS, we have plenty of 50s and 60s cars created by PEV but I would like to see stuff like MK3 Courtinas, Ford Capri's, Austin Princess's, Morris Marena's, Robin Reliants, Ford Zodiac Mk4, the list goes on.

Also we havnt got any typical trainspotter type people on the DLS, you know the ones,middle aged, SLR camera in hand, dodgy cardigan, grey ankle swinger trousers. Face looks like an elephants kneecap.
I need people to fill my platforms on diesel gala days.

How shocking is this? I cant find any proper LT routemaster buses on the DLS, disgraceful.

Saxham_Market
September 18th, 2011, 07:44 AM
We need an east lancashire pug 0-4-0ST, And a peckett and son's peckett 0-4-0ST And maybe a freeware class 56, Complete with muck and grime for those merry go round coal routes.


Can you dig out a couple of photos and possibly a plan or two? It might encourage some one to have a look.

A little late in replying I know, but I have found a few:

http://www.flickr.com/groups/1643732@N20/pool/with/5265348633/

(This next one includes a side view from the instruction sheet from the Airfix model)

http://glostransporthistory.visit-gloucestershire.co.uk/ROD_Universal%20Works_Pug%20Sextet.htm

robd
September 18th, 2011, 08:30 AM
...Also we havnt got any typical trainspotter type people on the DLS, you know the ones,middle aged, SLR camera in hand, dodgy cardigan, grey ankle swinger trousers. Face looks like an elephants kneecap.
I need people to fill my platforms on diesel gala days...


Speaking about yourself?

angelah
September 18th, 2011, 09:40 AM
I need these for 2004... Yes, I am a bit of a retard I know, but I like that version so I stick with it.
There are some factories for the UK on the DS but I think there is still a great big hole for a lot more of the more modern light industrial units we see on commercial estates now. The garage that services my car is in one so if it's sunny when I take it in (yet again!) next week I will take my camera.

Ray Whiley and I talk about projects but other than that and unless a creator posts their upcoming intentions in Freeware, then I think we are all in the dark as to what is under construction or even being thought of.

There's an awful lot out there in the real world but I don't think we can make it all, although we have a ruddy good try.... ha ha.

Angela

ray_whiley
September 18th, 2011, 10:16 AM
I think Ray Whiley made a small coaling stage for merchants like that one.



I certainly made a small coaling stage, based as far as I can remember (it was in my early GMax creative days) on a drawing in a very old Airfix magazine - but I can't remember whether I uploaded it. I will check.


Ray Whiley and I talk about projects but other than that and unless a creator posts their upcoming intentions in Freeware, then I think we are all in the dark as to what is under construction or even being thought of.


These email discussions are very interesting, and it's helpful to be able to toss ideas around and, from time to time, to check each other's work with a fresh eye - errors can be spotted which the creator did not notice (as has always been the case with any sort of modelling.)

Perhaps a thread on what creators are actually working on might be helpful! At the moment, I'm busy re-doing my 'modern' BR station buildings - those from the BR 1964 modernisation plan, based on modular panels 40 inches wide in various colours (not all at once!) My original models of these were before I learned how to do transarency in GMax - the new ones will be fully glazed (like my car showroom) and the first is ready - a simple platform shelter of which more anon. I'm now working on the second, which is a small platform shelter and attached waiting room. It's almost ready ...

As for future plans, well, whilst on holiday in Llandudno I photographed a lifebuoy on the prom, a litter bin and some other items which probably attracted some puzzled stares. Also plenty of photos of Portmeirion - in case anyone wants to stage 'The Prisoner' in Trainz .....?

Ray

Yes - I did make a small coaling stage for locos but is is marked 'NFD' (not for distribution) and is for my personal use only as I borrowed another creator's coal texture. I will dig it out and use my own coal texture and upload it, if it is of any use to others - and I can find the GMax file (it was on my old computer which died a sudden death last year.)

ex-railwayman
September 18th, 2011, 03:52 PM
Also we havnt got any typical trainspotter type people on the DLS, you know the ones,middle aged, SLR camera in hand, dodgy cardigan, grey ankle swinger trousers. Face looks like an elephants kneecap.


I see one every morning when I have a shave......:p



I need these for 2004... Yes, I am a bit of a retard I know, but I like that version so I stick with it.


I appreciate those who have stuck with TRS2004/6 for their personal reasons, I would NEVER regard anyone as a retard for doing that, Angela.




As for future plans, well, whilst on holiday in Llandudno I photographed a lifebuoy on the prom, a litter bin and some other items which probably attracted some puzzled stares.

Ray


A lifebuoy, I saw one of those on the Trainz Germany website on Friday, but, we can have 2 or 3, of course, variety is the spice of life.....

For another idea to anybody, I noticed we don't seem to have much in the way of modern lifeboat stations, lifeboats, etc, etc, for our game, if anybody may be interested in that seafaring side of things.

Cheerz. ex-railwayman.

ray_whiley
September 18th, 2011, 05:19 PM
I did make a small coaling stage for locos but is is marked 'NFD' (not for distribution) and is for my personal use only as I borrowed another creator's coal texture. I will dig it out and use my own coal texture and upload it, if it is of any use to others - and I can find the GMax file (it was on my old computer which died a sudden death last year.)


I've found the original and replaced the borowed texture with one of my own - so hope to upload shortly. However, the model is three years old and made for TRS2004 so I need to write a new config and test it first in 2010.

Ray

angelah
September 19th, 2011, 04:34 AM
I've found the original and replaced the borowed texture with one of my own - so hope to upload shortly. However, the model is three years old and made for TRS2004 so I need to write a new config and test it first in 2010.

Ray

Hi Ray,
Glad to hear I am not the only one who gets stared at when taking snaps of what other people think of as 'strange' things. It is quite a good way of striking up conversation though...

All the assets I have made with original 2004 configs, that is without a prefix and suffix number, show first time in 2010, so you should not get any problems.
Even with these 'extra' numbers they show in both, I rarely get a problem. If you do send me the config and asset full name seperately and mention the name of the screenshot. I add that last part because the TPR site requests the screenshot be the same name as the assets name.

I look forward to seeing your new stage on the DS in the near future.

Angela

falcon500
September 19th, 2011, 04:38 AM
There doesn't seem to be an LMS guards van at least not one that isn't faualty. May be wrong about that though?

angelah
September 19th, 2011, 04:44 AM
Although I hate to use this term, it may just explain my point.
As is mentioned by a few people here, a lot of assets from the old days look like "Cartoon creations" as apposed to the modern realistic photo image assets.
I don't like to sound unappreciative of the free content available, but I hope this helps explain my point. :wave:
It is nice to pull into a station that looks like the real world and not from a Hanna Barbara cartoon. :hehe:

If you wish for ultra realistic content then go ahead and make some. I am sure all Trainzers would be thankful.
But you might suddenly find out how hard it is to get the texturing right and looking as if it is in the real world, not to mention how the file size may start to bump up.

I try to use actual shots of buildings if possible, but it isn't always as easy as one might think, and getting weathering onto home grown (your own) textures to look right is extremely hard because weathering is very subtle.

And it also make me wonder that with a route full of super assets just how much PC power might be needed to run it?

Angela

BLACKWATCH
September 19th, 2011, 04:56 AM
There doesn't seem to be an LMS guards van at least not one that isn't faualty. May be wrong about that though?

KUID2:46219:15310:0

kuid:55976:15038

kuid:55976:15036

All run fine for me, have non of them been "updated" yet ?
(or have they been 'fixed' by people who don't know how to do it, like a lot of stuff has) ;)

ex-railwayman
September 19th, 2011, 05:24 AM
There doesn't seem to be an LMS guards van at least not one that isn't faualty. May be wrong about that though?

No, all those available were made in the early days, 2003-4, and they all have some sort of error message because of the new stringent CMP.

I obtained some older brakevans recently reskinned by tmz06003 from last year, which don't have any errors, and look quite good, although, they don't have any lettering on the side, so, you can run them on any freight trains. Kuid:283805:15154 through to 15157, if you're interested.

Cheerz. ex-railwayman.

jayholland
September 19th, 2011, 06:05 AM
How shocking is this? I cant find any proper LT routemaster buses on the DLS, disgraceful.

Oh, dear. Before I settled on making 1930s vehicles, I made this basic mesh. I have just fished it out again and stuck some wheels on it. I suppose you would like me to finish it...?

More toil...:D

http://www.exbourne.freeserve.co.uk/rm.jpg

mezzoprezzo
September 19th, 2011, 06:14 AM
@ jayholland

J.

That could end up as a London Transport Diesel Engined Ninety-seven Horsepower Omnibus.

Above the motor sound, I can already almost hear cry, "Any more fares please"!

Thanks for your continued and valued contributions.

Cheers
Casper

captainkman
September 19th, 2011, 06:19 AM
Personally, I'd LOVE to have Big Bertha, the banker on the Lickey, in Trainz. It would be perfect for the Lickey Incline route on the DLS. (Sorry, route is TC3 only)

We could have several versions. Number 2290 for MR, 22290 for LMS and 58100 for British Rail. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MR_0-10-0_Lickey_Banker

I'd buy payware if there was one on Paul's Trainz or similar payware site, I'd pay $5 AUS or more for it!

Also, what about some more Caledonian and Midland Railway locos, like the Johnson Midland Single 4-2-2. One like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midland_Railway_115_Class (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midland_Railway_115_Class)

jayholland
September 19th, 2011, 07:09 AM
@mezzoprezzo,

Casper, I sent you an email a couple of days ago, but I'm not sure my email is working properly. Did you receive it?

J

pfx
September 19th, 2011, 07:23 AM
I'm a fiend for trackside infrastructure so anything that be added to that is always a bonus in my book. Perhaps more relay boxes (I can only find 2 that are suitable for UK routes) better cable ducting, and here you must excuse my ignorance, the big yellow cans that seem to squirt oil onto the line? What are those things? One particular infrastructire item I would particularly like to see, is the orange piping used to take cables under the track. I've seen it attached to the likes of point motors but not as a unique item.

Sorry, I'm heading off on a gimmepig rant. Last place I want to be.

Hullbilly
September 19th, 2011, 07:49 AM
Can you please let me know how to get British DMUs and level crossingsas i have created a British fictional City and like to have right trains on it hope you can help

mezzoprezzo
September 19th, 2011, 08:36 AM
@mezzoprezzo,

Casper, I sent you an email a couple of days ago, but I'm not sure my email is working properly. Did you receive it?

J

Hi J.

Yes -all received. I'm half way through a reply and trying to find some file attachments. I hate Vista!
Will reply asap

Cheers
Casper

ray_whiley
September 19th, 2011, 09:33 AM
Hi Angela



Glad to hear I am not the only one who gets stared at when taking snaps of what other people think of as 'strange' things


Perhaps the weirdest of mine so far was an alley made of small coloured pebbles. With some computer trickery, that has now seen the light of day as two of my ground texture splines - a) concrete and b) gravel. Perhaps one of these days it might even become a pebbled path!

On second thoughts, I believe it also became the new coal texture used on my coaling stage mentioned above.

Ray

paulzmay
September 19th, 2011, 07:16 PM
If you wish for ultra realistic content then go ahead and make some. I am sure all Trainzers would be thankful.
But you might suddenly find out how hard it is to get the texturing right and looking as if it is in the real world, not to mention how the file size may start to bump up.

I try to use actual shots of buildings if possible, but it isn't always as easy as one might think, and getting weathering onto home grown (your own) textures to look right is extremely hard because weathering is very subtle.

And it also make me wonder that with a route full of super assets just how much PC power might be needed to run it?

Angela

The key to getting ultra-realistic content into Trainz without bringing the computer to its knees is LOD. That way you can have an asset that appear detailed in the foreground, but drops details as it recedes into the distance. Combine this with normal mapping to give surfaces some texture, and use a minimum of texture files (i.e. 1 if possible), but keep the resolution reasonably high. Textures derived from real photographs are a huge plus, as that brings out a lot of the subtle shading that is very hard to add in photoshop (yours are always first rate).

It's quite reasonable since TS2009 to use .jpg for the main texture file, as Trainz turns it into a .texture file on commit. This can reduce downloaded file size somewhat.

And while we're asking what we would like to see, I'd like some modern concrete sleepered track with pandrol clips, in both main line and tramway rail weights. And if I'm really pushing it, I'd like animated points to match (or at least track that makes spline points without z-fighting).

Paul

itareus
September 19th, 2011, 07:54 PM
......Perhaps a thread on what creators are actually working on might be helpful! ...


Ray,

I have been "messing about" making some road/path splines which match up with your street/avenue assets, albeit with a slightly different texture and am thinking about doing a few more assets - junctions etc. which also will match up with yours. It would be good to have a way of checking that we are not duplicating each others efforts. I don't like "pestering" people with PM's / emails so maybe a forum thread, perhaps a dedicated UK one, is a good idea.


......Also plenty of photos of Portmeirion - in case anyone wants to stage 'The Prisoner' in Trainz .?.....


Hope you are doing an animated "ball" for the beach and some driveable buggys !

Cheers

Chris

ray_whiley
September 20th, 2011, 01:44 AM
I have been "messing about" making some road/path splines which match up with your street/avenue assets, albeit with a slightly different texture and am thinking about doing a few more assets - junctions etc. which also will match up with yours. It would be good to have a way of checking that we are not duplicating each others efforts. I don't like "pestering" people with PM's / emails so maybe a forum thread, perhaps a dedicated UK one, is a good idea.


Chris - Thank you for letting me know of your plans and I look forward to seeing your roads, paths and junctions. At the moment I am not thinking of making any new assets of this kind, except perhaps for a few more of my 'ground texture splines' - to use when a clearly defined area of ground texture is needed. Just now I'm updating my earlier 'modern' (1964) UK prefabricated station buildings - now that I have mastered the art of transparency for windows.


Hope you are doing an animated "ball" for the beach and some driveable buggys !


This reminds me of Cyril Freezer's classic comment that the model railway enthusiast who is mainly interested in operation would be satisfied with a train of tennis balls provided that it ran at the correct speed, observed all signals, and followed the rule book (or words to that effect.) Now there's a thought - a tennis ball set up as a loco ...

Ray

falcon500
September 20th, 2011, 06:09 AM
Oh, dear. Before I settled on making 1930s vehicles, I made this basic mesh. I have just fished it out again and stuck some wheels on it. I suppose you would like me to finish it...?

More toil...:D

http://www.exbourne.freeserve.co.uk/rm.jpg
I have a 1950's Leyland Tiger at a similar stage in Gmax. This is being textured for Rockhampton City Buses in silver and green, was thinking of making a couple in generic colours too as these were used in many countries. Similar to picture. Should be useful for UK and Ireland routes.
http://www.hostthenpost.org/uploads/d1de49c8d8efc72ab7b2b714b1079e43.jpg

klambert
September 24th, 2011, 05:19 AM
I think as a whole the UK Content has some major holes in it that are slowly but surely being filled. I just wish that I had the patence to learn Gmax to contribute, and a decent re-skinning program like photoshop.

Another thing were a bit thin on the ground with is the latest privatisation company rolling stock liveries, my point is that I have found some Class 315s, but they are in First Great Eastern livery which would be fine if you were making a route that was based 5 years ago, but we havnt got any 315s in the NXEA Blue & White Liveries. At the the moment I'm trying to fill the gap with some of my 317 reskins but they're not great.

Also is there any Eurostar sets on the DLS?

jayholland
September 25th, 2011, 09:57 AM
klambert.

If you want to re-skin, try GIMP - it's free, and I think it is as good as Photoshop.

J.

angelah
September 29th, 2011, 02:09 PM
Here is the first set of light industrial units....

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t82/angelajaneh/Ind_Units1_selection.jpg

As can be seen there are several that can be mixed and matched. On the left is the full set as a complete module and then they gradually decrese in 3, 3, 1 and then the office.

Now working on a second set.

Angela

Kessica
September 29th, 2011, 07:54 PM
..
As for future plans, well, whilst on holiday in Llandudno I photographed a lifebuoy on the prom, a litter bin and some other items which probably attracted some puzzled stares.

I was the laughing stock of London Area Sea Cadets last weekend. Whilst we were there for shooting practise I took quite a few pictures of various buildings and stuff for textures. The cadets couldnt understand why I was taking pictures of bricks and windows :hehe: but we had a giggle about it.

Longmoor has some amazing Edwardian buidlings and one has a crest in it so it is quite rare as Edward abdicated after a very short reign. The general public are not able to visit these places so these are good oppurtunities to get some awesome textures and hopefully more accurate period buildings uploaded. It is not until you see the architecture that you realise just how much effort went into some of these buildings... the detail in the brick work is staggering. And you should see the fireplaces inside!

robd
September 30th, 2011, 05:23 AM
...Longmoor has some amazing Edwardian buidlings and one has a crest in it so it is quite rare as Edward abdicated after a very short reign...

Kessica.

Just a note to say I think you're getting your Edwards mixed up. The Edwardian period 1901 - 1910 was named after Edward VII, he died in 1910.

The Edward who abdicated was Edward VIII, he abdicated in 1936 after a reign of just a few months in order to marry Wallace Simpson, which was a great scandal in those times. The Edwardian period was long over by the 1930's.

It would be interesting to know what the crest is representing, do you know?

Rob.

Kessica
September 30th, 2011, 07:36 AM
I am not a historian by a long way. The crest is Edward VIII as you can see by the image. Would this be classed as Georgian then? It is difficult to determine the actual date the date of the building unless it went up in the 325 days of his reign.... I wish I had studied history more when I was at school, but in those days I found it boring. How things have changed :eek:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2kmXtmW5P4s/ToWx-Kji6vI/AAAAAAAAAPg/_DU8yWJAs4o/s1600/crest.jpg

pfx
September 30th, 2011, 07:53 AM
I know this is heading slightly off topic but the motto is that of the Order of the Garter. The initials on that crest would appear to be E viii R. The current crest having E ii R at it's centre. The crest itself is that of the Royal Engineers.

While the crest doesn't relate to the period known as Edwardian in architectural and cultural terms, it would certainly seem to reference Edward VIII, regardless of his short time on the throne. I'm speculating by saying this particular building was perhaps opened during that time but without any further details, I can't say for certain.

robd
September 30th, 2011, 09:56 AM
I know this is heading slightly off topic but the motto is that of the Order of the Garter. The initials on that crest would appear to be E viii R. The current crest having E ii R at it's centre. The crest itself is that of the Royal Engineers.

While the crest doesn't relate to the period known as Edwardian in architectural and cultural terms, it would certainly seem to reference Edward VIII, regardless of his short time on the throne. I'm speculating by saying this particular building was perhaps opened during that time but without any further details, I can't say for certain.

I agree with what pfx says.

Rob.

PS. Georgian, early 18th to early 19th century.

Mick_Berg
September 30th, 2011, 11:55 AM
I am not a historian by a long way. The crest is Edward VIII as you can see by the image. Would this be classed as Georgian then? It is difficult to determine the actual date the date of the building unless it went up in the 325 days of his reign.... I wish I had studied history more when I was at school, but in those days I found it boring. How things have changed :eek:



Definitely not Georgian, this era was pre-Victorian, and before the railway age.

A lot of classical Georgian-looking buildings are in fact Victorian, they were the masters of imitation.

A fine example WAS Euston station, with its massive classical arch. Demolished in the sixties, of course and replaced by the sad shack we see there now. All part of the sixties' governments' plan to continue the work of Adolf Hitler. Do you detect a note of resentment? Sure!!:'(

Mick Berg.

NikkiA
September 30th, 2011, 12:06 PM
Definitely not Georgian, this era was pre-Victorian, and before the railway age.

A lot of classical Georgian-looking buildings are in fact Victorian, they were the masters of imitation.

A fine example WAS Euston station, with its massive classical arch. Demolished in the sixties, of course and replaced by the sad shack we see there now. All part of the sixties' governments' plan to continue the work of Adolf Hitler. Do you detect a note of resentment? Sure!!:'(

Mick Berg.

If it's any consolation (and I know it isn't much), they ARE planning on rebuilding it as it was, sometime, soon, real soon, well, once they've made life hard enough on the disabled and less fortunate and thus can afford it.

Mick_Berg
September 30th, 2011, 01:11 PM
That's good to know. I think that on the whole, recent work on stations has been pretty good, eg Liverpool Street and St. Pancras.

In the 'fifties there was no money, we were still on our knees after the war. That's why so little was changed, and why anything still standing seemed almost Victorian in appearance.

Then the prosperity of the 'sixties came along, and all hell broke loose.

Mick Berg.

NikkiA
September 30th, 2011, 02:11 PM
That's good to know. I think that on the whole, recent work on stations has been pretty good, eg Liverpool Street and St. Pancras.

In the 'fifties there was no money, we were still on our knees after the war. That's why so little was changed, and why anything still standing seemed almost Victorian in appearance.

Then the prosperity of the 'sixties came along, and all hell broke loose.

Mick Berg.

I think they're supposed to start work on rebuilding the frontage of Kings Cross how it was originally, and re-opening the York Way side entrance, this year, too.

But yeah, the Euston rebuild has been promised since, well, the 90s basically. But Network Rail/UK Land committed to demolishing the station and rebuilding it to the original plans back in 2005, that appears to have fallen through, with the belief that the work would be simply too disruptive to traffic.

The current plan is that Euston will be rebuilt, but not quite as extensively as demolish + rebuild would be (I don't think they're planning to restore the number of platforms as the 2005 plan was, for example), and the original archway design is one of the features of the current plan. It's supposed to either start 2011/2012 OR 'alongside the installation of HS2' depending on which sources you want to believe. Of course spending money on creating jobs doesn't seem to be a current goal, so it'll probably have to wait until the war with Eurasia ends.

bassist118
September 30th, 2011, 02:37 PM
I have made a 50's Widened Lines route, that's why I'm so keen to get this wonderful stuff from Andi06. It will improve the route enormously. All I need now is some pre-1959 LU stock.
Mick Berg.

Agreed.... Now we have the Sarah I think we need some 1923 - 34 standard stock, (hopeing some kind sole in trainzland will take the hint)

http://www.20thcenturylondon.org.uk/server.php?show=conObject.2571&pp=10&search_word=&catId

They have tonnes of character and very evocative or 1950's London

I have fond memories of these while on hiliday on the Isile of Wight in the 80's although they were in BR Blue Grey livery

:)

Andy

bassist118
September 30th, 2011, 02:43 PM
Here is the first set of light industrial units....
As can be seen there are several that can be mixed and matched. On the left is the full set as a complete module and then they gradually decrese in 3, 3, 1 and then the office.

Now working on a second set.

Angela

Those are great, you could probably use these when modeling any part tof the world... You are pumping out some high quality stuff and it's very much appreciated.

:clap::Y::clap:

Andy

Mick_Berg
October 1st, 2011, 01:26 AM
Agreed.... Now we have the Sarah I think we need some 1923 - 34 standard stock, (hopeing some kind sole in trainzland will take the hint)

http://www.20thcenturylondon.org.uk/server.php?show=conObject.2571&pp=10&search_word=&catId

They have tonnes of character and very evocative or 1950's London

I have fond memories of these while on hiliday on the Isile of Wight in the 80's although they were in BR Blue Grey livery

:)

Andy
Paulz trainz has Metropolitan stock that goes with the Metrovic locos. It's pretty good.

Mick Berg.

Robertd81
October 1st, 2011, 09:26 AM
I've got an upcoming deployment overseas, but once back at home (anywhere between two and twelve months) I'm going to delve into the world of content creation and give some British landmarks of the 1920's to 1940's a go. I'm not entirely sure which buildings I'll be starting with, but given I'll be approaching this entirely green to the process I'll start small. If anyone has any ideas of something in the Art-Deco style that they'd like to see on one of their routes, let me know and I'll start drawing up a to-do list.

The buildings I linked photos for in my earlier post on this thread are already on that list.

Peace.
Robertd81

johnwhelan
October 13th, 2011, 03:19 PM
Also wanted by me are GWR Hawksworth stock. I've got a couple of diagrams, but they are not very good. Does anyone know of an GWR line diagram book of coaches along the lines of the excellent `Historic Carriage Drawings` series by Pendragon Partnership?



I've heard this one a couple of times. The curved roof bits at the end don't look fun but they could be done. What lengths were they? Yen I know I have Russel lying round and can probably look it up.

Thanks John

johnwhelan
October 13th, 2011, 03:20 PM
Great Western Coaches, Official Drawings No.3 (ISBN 1-874103-42-9) is inexpensive and has good drawings of a Hawksworth Brake Third. The trailer car in my AEC Railcar set is loosely based on a Hawksworth vehicle but it isn't a particularly good or accurate model.

Well I have a copy on the shelf so that might help.

Thanks John

johnwhelan
October 13th, 2011, 03:26 PM
Or, some nice UK workable level crossings, the level crossings we have at the minute are ok, but you either get the road dissapearing into the baseboard when attached to a level crossing, or the road is hollow underneath were the tracks are, so the road and the traffic float over the crossing...

The ATLS Boat level crossings are good, but take an age to build and set up, and need a multitude of dependencies to get them working right, I never use the level crossings in Trainz for this specific reason...

If the crossings were already built, with barriers and a road with all the hatch markings, with say a box you can open, saying at what distance you want the barriers to fall, or gates to close before the train arrives, would be brilliant, or even attached movable track markers with the crossing, so the timeing of the barriers can be set to drop, and open once a train has been, would be an excellent addition to Train Simulator. It is quite sad that a rail simulator doesnt even have accuratly working level crossings, that are ready to go once placed on the baseboard.

Many thanks to anyone who takes up the challenge, if they dare...;)

Joe Airtime

I'm seeing some beta stuff along these lines at the moment. Want to prioritise what you'd like to see.

Thanks John

johnwhelan
October 13th, 2011, 03:31 PM
There doesn't seem to be an LMS guards van at least not one that isn't faualty. May be wrong about that though?

Got any images?

Thanks John

airtime
October 14th, 2011, 06:15 AM
I'm seeing some beta stuff along these lines at the moment. Want to prioritise what you'd like to see.

Thanks John

Hi John, hope you are ok.

I was thinking of the UK standard double track crossing, I know bloodnock made the one below for Trainz 2004/Trainz 2006, and I believe he was looking at remaking them for trainz 2010, because after you save your session, the barriers don't work and stay up as a train passes.

http://www.vsr.org.uk/downloads/VSR_UK_Skirted_Full_Barrier_level_crossing.jpg
UK standard double track crossing

I was looking for a crossing similar to the one above, were the barriers stay down, so you can place traffic either side, and make it look as though they have been waiting for a train to pass, if the barriers move, then that can be an added feature.

I tried using the BOAT ones, which are superb, but all his barriers are pointing in the air, as they have to be set by commands to make them work. I was after barriers that were set down, with the flashing lights either side, but with no alarm bell/siren noise attached.

The above is not a must do demand, just a nice to see it in trainz if possible.

Many thanks John for your reply, and thank you for your valuable help in the past, very much appreciated, keep well.

Joe Airtime

itareus
October 14th, 2011, 07:10 AM
...I tried using the BOAT ones, which are superb, but all his barriers are pointing in the air, as they have to be set by commands to make them work....

The Boat's crossings use barriers created by Adrian19. Just out of interest I have been messing with a clone of one of Adrian's barriers and manged to get it to stay down by editing the "Raise" void, and two calls to it, out of the script file. This is a crude hack and it would be better if a scripter did it properly.

I won't be taking this any further, just thought I'd mention it in case it is of some use to anyone.

pfx
October 14th, 2011, 07:31 AM
There are actually a number of single and double UK crossings that are complete units. All that is required is the addition of boat's traffic stoppers and track triggers. Not quite as flexible as the individual ATLS items but definitely a time saver if you want a 90 degree crossing. Search boat on the DLS and you'll find them. There are 4 AHB and 4 MCB versions.

stagecoach
October 14th, 2011, 11:04 AM
To keep the barriers down is a simple task. Dont use ATLS triggers on the track but set up everything else. When you set up a train in the edit session use the ATLS driver command (make sure it is checked for use) and place it once only in a drivers schedule set to the channel of the controller for the crossing. As there are no other triggers to activate the crossing it will stay down.

Boat has done some crossings which are already set up, only the setting of the channels and trigers needed.

airtime
October 15th, 2011, 04:36 AM
Thank you itareus for your suggestion and also Thank you stagecoach for the work around, I will give both ideas a go, and see what comes out better.

Many thanks once again for your valuable help.

Joe Airtime

Davie_UCF
January 10th, 2012, 05:11 AM
Can I bump this.. as its something needed!

Theres a lot of great signs, but not the kind i'm after.. I'm after a brown tourist attraction sign. Anyone able to knock one out or are there any signs that would suit being re-skinned?

angelah
January 10th, 2012, 05:59 AM
Can I bump this.. as its something needed!

Theres a lot of great signs, but not the kind i'm after.. I'm after a brown tourist attraction sign. Anyone able to knock one out or are there any signs that would suit being re-skinned?

Why don't you have a go, gmax isn't the bogy man people make out.

Angela

Davie_UCF
January 10th, 2012, 06:05 AM
Why don't you have a go, gmax isn't the bogy man people make out.

Angela

I've tried and its not for me. I did more recently try Blender but couldn't find any tutorials that were the same version..
I'd rather see if its already out there or able to be re-skinned (something I can do). Theres already a few people who have made a lot of great signs so its no harm asking.

Deano5
January 10th, 2012, 06:45 AM
There is a couple out there somewhere. I have used them on my own routes but can't recall names or places. I'm sure they were from the DLS or could have been built in to 06.
I'll try to look later. :wave:

jayholland
January 10th, 2012, 06:51 AM
Davie UCF,

Is this what you are after?

http://www.exbourne.freeserve.co.uk/dukeys.jpg

wheelsonfire
January 10th, 2012, 08:05 AM
Nice one Jay!

Davie_UCF
January 10th, 2012, 08:09 AM
Davie UCF,

Is this what you are after?

http://www.exbourne.freeserve.co.uk/dukeys.jpg

Oh Jay you know exactly what i'm after! I'm blushing :p
That is brilliant.
I tried reskinning a scripted white pointing sign but the brown came out bad.. :hehe:

jayholland
January 10th, 2012, 08:24 AM
OK, I'll make you a right one as well, and release a scripted version to the DLS later today. Send me a PM with your email address so I can email your two as a CDP.

Davie_UCF
January 10th, 2012, 09:21 AM
OK, I'll make you a right one as well, and release a scripted version to the DLS later today. Send me a PM with your email address so I can email your two as a CDP.

Pm'ed! Thanks :)

jayholland
January 10th, 2012, 11:38 AM
I've emailed yours, and uploaded these.

http://www.exbourne.freeserve.co.uk/brown.jpg

mezzoprezzo
January 10th, 2012, 11:56 AM
Jay,

Youíre an officer and a gentleman!

Itís the little touches, with content such as this, which helps bring our routes to life.

The re-nameable function will make the scenarios all the more convincing.

Cheers
Casper

n.b. We could well soon be seeing a spate of rather interesting heritage railway names!:o