PDA

View Full Version : Question ,Freeware , Illegal payware



steve123
December 2nd, 2010, 04:17 PM
If someone downloads software that is not obtained through legal channels and then this person was to upload a route to Auran containing that said software , couldn't Auran see that these items are payware and if Auran had a database of all registered payware wouldn't these people be caught ?

Question 2

If someone uploads to Auran doesn't Auran then have ownership of that item as part of the agreement to upload,therefor the product or said item becomes the property of Auran.

Question 3

If i was to release software of any kind and sold it to the public and the software was faulty in some way but it still worked but not in the correct manner , wouldn't i still legaly have to repair or refund money.
And over what time frame would i have to make good of the product i have sold.
regards steve

perry_weekley
December 2nd, 2010, 04:27 PM
All three questions are suspicious. I hope someone can help you more but for the third you should never release a buggy product. Not only will it lower the probability of future customers but it also lowers you ability to gain income from such software. It doesn't hurt to take that extra four months to make sure all the bugs are smoothed out.

NikkiA
December 2nd, 2010, 04:34 PM
If someone downloads software that is not obtained through legal channels and then this person was to upload a route to Auran containing that said software , couldn't Auran see that these items are payware and if Auran had a database of all registered payware wouldn't these people be caught ?


Not without, as you say, a database of all payware, and there's a lot of paranoid payware authors out there that I can't see submitting their payware to auran to be able to check against...

As it is, it's much better to just rely on the eyes of a few tends of thousand users to recognise when something untoward is going on, and report it. Which is the system we have today.



Question 2

If someone uploads to Auran doesn't Auran then have ownership of that item as part of the agreement to upload,therefor the product or said item becomes the property of Auran.


Nope, you grant them a non-exclusive agreement to allow them to distribute your work, but it's still your work, you still own it.



Question 3

If i was to release software of any kind and sold it to the public and the software was faulty in some way but it still worked but not in the correct manner , wouldn't i still legaly have to repair or refund money.
And over what time frame would i have to make good of the product i have sold.
regards steve

Generally, no, there are little legal requirements for handling faulty software.

Europe and Australia both have 'fit for use' laws which mean that the software must at least vaguely work - that is, that it is what it says, in the case of trainz - 'a train simulator'. But they are under no legal obligation to provide a bug free piece of software, nor are they legally required to provide free updates or bug fixes, except if the software is utterly unusable. Warranty laws around the world will generally provide a basic guarantee that the software will at least run, if not then you're probably entitled to your money back. In Europe and Australia this has a limit of at least 12 months. In the US warranties are only valid for 30 days by default.

If they were under such legal obligations the software industry would collapse within days, NO software is bug free, NASA spends a ridiculous fortune to develop 'nearly bug free' software, but there are still bugs, and they learn how to work around them.

Software is an inherently different type of product to any other thing mankind has ever produced - people often like to argue that if bridges were developed by software developers people would die left and right, but the fact is that bridges are built in a much more static environment, software has the equivalent of each person that crosses the bridge causing the banks of the river and the river currents to be completely different each time.

steve123
December 2nd, 2010, 04:50 PM
Thanks for your answers NikkiA ,and yours perry_weekley but what do you mean by suspicious , these are just simple questions
regards steve

Pencil42
December 2nd, 2010, 06:15 PM
In reply to #1, you can only upload items with your own KUID - you cannot upload someone else's asset - whether it is payware or freeware.
If you upload a route, it does not include the content used in the route.

steve123
December 2nd, 2010, 06:20 PM
yes of cause sorry my misetake Pencil4 i didn't think of that.
regards steve

steve123
December 2nd, 2010, 07:05 PM
however there is one thing for sure nobody is going to stop illegal software of any kind ,as long as the penalty for it is stuff all it will not stop,
if the goverments around the world said that any person dealing in illegal software was never ever aloud to own anything for the next 15 years and was never aloud a position of trust,not aloud social welfare or aloud access to clubs pubs or sporting events if that person is an immagrat to that counrty then they should be deported and all assets taken if this person breaks these restrictions then they spend 15 years in jail any person found to help this person break restriction placed on that said person then these laws should apply to them as well.

sounds harsh but people will never back of unless they are going to loose big time,,,if the or else is big enough people will not risk it.
regards steve
let him who is without fault cast the first stone , we wouldn't be on this earth if we had no fault

steve123
December 2nd, 2010, 07:21 PM
maybe companies of software should give free software for say 5 years to some one that lets them know of a site that sells or passes on there software,or give reward for a conviction of some kind ,nobody wishes to be a dobber but if you cant buyit with your own money you have worked for don,t touch it
regards steve

WYO
December 2nd, 2010, 08:12 PM
As to buggy software, all software has bugs except in the case of Microsoft which has 'undocumented features'.:hehe:

NikkiA
December 2nd, 2010, 08:19 PM
As to buggy software, all software has bugs except in the case of Microsoft which has 'undocumented features'.:hehe:

Even MS has bugs.

Ever had Excel accurately calculate a graph? Yeah, that'd be a bug.

SantaFebuff
December 2nd, 2010, 08:29 PM
In reply to #1, you can only upload items with your own KUID - you cannot upload someone else's asset - whether it is payware or freeware.
If you upload a route, it does not include the content used in the route.

Wouldn't the clone tool solve that problem though?

...or a quick fix in the config.txt. Shame of how easy it is, but thank goodnesses the penalties are high. As stated before, most won't even risk this. Which is great news for content creators.:)

Speaking of bugs, anyone ever love it when a game glitches in your favor? ;)

Cheers,
Joshua

leeferr
December 2nd, 2010, 10:47 PM
.... anyone ever love it when a game glitches in your favor?......

Only if that would happen to me on the craps table.:hehe:

Mike

sawyer811
December 2nd, 2010, 10:48 PM
don't we all...i could stop with the models and buy me a real steam engine!