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CincySouthernRwy
June 27th, 2009, 05:39 AM
Susquehanna (NYS&W) v1.0

I have been building the Susquehanna since late 2005. My intent is to offer a representative model of the line (NOT mile-for-mile) to cover as many time periods as possible, so compromises will be made. Several versions are planned, all building off of the base, version 1.0. Version 1.0 models the line as it operated from 1971-1986, only going as far west as Butler, NJ.


Some screenies...

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/NYSWBroadway2.jpg

Broadway Street station in Paterson, NJ.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/RS2coalPompton4.jpg

Three RS2's lead an empty hopper train back toward the Pennsylvania mines through Pompton Lakes, NJ.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/RS2coalPompton6.jpg

Headed toward the interchange with the Erie's Greenwood Lake branch. The second unit is lettered for subsidiary Wilkes-Barre & Eastern.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/LNEcoalOakland.jpg

This delicate-looking bridge at Oakland, NJ, has carried double stacks and SD70M's.

During WWI, the USRA started routing Lehigh & New England coal trains down the NYS&W to dump their coal at the Edgwater coal pier. Typically a camelback 2-8-0 headed the train, probably one of the E-13's numbered in the 151-class. These would have been L&NE largest engines at the time, as the E-14's and F-1's were post-war. Here, Bill Klene's H-9s 2-8-0, with the green color changed to gray, mates with the tender from the USRA light Pacific to simulate an E-14.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/LittleFerry2.jpg

The locomotive shops at Little Ferry, NJ.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/NYSW93Hackensack.jpg

A H-25 class 2-8-0 passes Hackensack station with a local for the Lodi Branch. The station is a brick reskin of a Todd Hohlenkamp (sp?) structure. I hope I can get permission to release the reskin...

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/LodiGeeps4.jpg

Here is a local approaching the NJ Route 17 crossing (at least, the westbound lanes).

This shot provides a good study in the change in NYS&W paint schemes on the GP18's. The first unit, WB&E 1806, in the delivery scheme, wore an orangey shade of yellow. The trucks are from Jointed Rail's GN and Southern F7's, lightened about 1.5 gamma to appear weathered. The trailing unit uses Jointed Rail's AT&SF F7 trucks. In reality, WB&E did not survive long enough to own any diesels of its own.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/LodiGeeps2.jpg

Parts of this branch are not in good shape at all. The FRA imposed a 6 mph speed restriction here in the late 1970's!

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/CrystalLake3.jpg

Former Erie N-1 Mikes pull empty hoppers through Crystal Lake, NJ back to the mines in Wilkes-Barre and Scranton, PA.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/NYSWSU-99f.jpg

It is unlikely that accurate models of Susquehanna's five Alco C430's will ever be available, so Randy White's C424 will have to do.

And do it does!

More later...

CincySouthernRwy
June 27th, 2009, 06:04 AM
Susquehanna Transfer was instrumental in bringing the line back into the black. Commuters could step off a streamliner or RDC and onto a bus and be in Manhatten in 10 minutes, 40 minutes faster than on Pennsy!

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/SusquehannaTransfer.jpg

Hackensack station - the old one. (It also reminds me of B&O's Hamilton Depot in Hamilton, Ohio.)

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/Hackensackstation2.jpg

Pompton Lakes freight house and team track from an L&NE coal drag.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/LNEcoalPompton2.jpg

Midland Park hosts an unusual crossing:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/LNEcoalMidlandPark.jpg

Maroon and gray gave way to silver. A pair of RS1's - proper Susie-Q power - head down the Passaic Branch.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/NYSWPassaiclocal7.jpg

North Hawthorne is where Susquehanna crosses over the Erie (now NJT)... on an overpass! The middle bridge is the little-used connection track, once an interchange. Predecessor New Jersey Midland began construction here.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/NYSWSU-99n.jpg

An eastbound commuter train led by K-1 #2539 heads over the draw span over Overpeck Creek. Just ahead is Little Ferry Yard and then Susquehanna Transfer. (This is an older pic, so less in the background is completed.)

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/NYSWLittleFerryBridge.jpg

CincySouthernRwy
June 27th, 2009, 06:34 AM
Yellow Jackets passing Marcal Paper:
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/NYSWMarcalpaper3.jpg

Deceptively dangerous, this motorist is actually in the clear.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/NYSWMarcalpaper4.jpg

A J-2 "Russian Decapod" leads an eastbound out of Butler, NJ.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/Butler8.jpg

Coal pier in front of the Seatrain dock:
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/EdgewatercoalpierSeatrain.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/LodiGeeps.jpg

Ridgefield Park, the main Southern Division engine terminal since Little Ferry was demolished in 1992. Today, it's single track through here, but I have left the double track used in the prosperous 1940's and 50's.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/RidgefieldPark2.jpg

Tanvaras
June 27th, 2009, 07:11 AM
Great screen shots, it really looks like a well put together route. Look forward too seeing more.

Cheers

Trent

jadebullet
June 27th, 2009, 09:28 AM
I makes me very happy to see someone modeling the SusyQ. You have done a great job on the coloring of the skinned locomotives, especially that beautiful white and red scheme.

nyswman
June 27th, 2009, 09:41 AM
Outstanding. I can't wait to run this route. It is ironic that I see this now. I'm participating in the motor car run on the southern division on the NYS&W this weekend. If you'd like to see the pictures next week, PM me and I'll send you the link to where they will be. Additionally if you need any help or have questions, I have friends on the railroad that I can ask for advice or track arrangments.

Euphod
June 27th, 2009, 10:01 AM
Looks like a fantastic job of route building, and I like the quaint "Caching Bar" in the first screen!:D

NorfolkSouthern9708
June 27th, 2009, 11:17 AM
What the heck? You don't give anyone room to post, and say :udrool: :udrool: :udrool: :mop: lol. Could I ask where you got the C424s and the SD60?

butch_koch
June 27th, 2009, 11:47 AM
Adam

Nice job on this route. I've always enjoyed your reskins and I am looking to forward to running this route. Great job.

posty33
June 30th, 2009, 08:18 PM
any idea on a release date, the susquehanna used to run right threw my backyard at my dads as a kid in sussex, nj. would love to have this! looks awesome!

CozmoŽ
June 30th, 2009, 08:30 PM
It is unlikely that accurate models of Susquehanna's five Alco C430's will ever be available, so Randy White's C424 will have to do.

Ya never know.. :p

http://www.rrmods.com/host/pics/ee4949b8649fef5fb7b7eb1f4ab9b377.jpg

CincySouthernRwy
July 1st, 2009, 10:21 PM
Jadebullet: Thanks! The maroon and gray scheme was a result of trustee Walter Kidde. His alma mater was Stevens Institute of Technology, so he ordered the standard Alco paint scheme in their colors. Algers Winslow & Western, a southern Indiana coal road, had the same paint scheme on their Alcos, only in red and black.

nyswman: I'd love to see any pics you have. Any help with track arrangements would be a big plus. Most of what I am looking for is historical info on the Wilkes-Barre & Eastern, the Susquehanna Connecting RR, and the NYS&W coal mine trackage that was in Wilkes-Barre and Scranton and the terminal trackage in Stroudsburg.

Ed: That caching bar was put there just for you!

NorfolkSouthern9708: The C424's are Randy White's (whitepass). If they aren't on the DLS, then try TrainzProRoutes. I don't have an SD60, but there is an SD70M. I'm pretty sure I got it from the DLS.

butch_koch: Good to hear from you again! Long live L&NE!

posty33: No idea on release date. Soon... All I am really doing is planting weeds (way behind on this), naming streets from Google maps, etc. Like the V&O, I am in the market for a few beta-testers...

Cozmo: Woo hoo! Awesome. Any chance you'll make a Susquehanna skin? :D

You know what would be really great? Those red SeaLand stack cars. I can't find any good useable photos of them for skins. Sad. :(

I also wish someone would make camelback 2-8-0's and 2-6-0's. The ones NYS&W actually ran were small, so bigger ones (like this Erie camel (http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/erie-s1552alb.jpg) at Little Ferry, so we know it was on Susie-Q rails, or this (http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyow/nyow-s207ahv.jpg)) would be awesome. I asked Ben Neal, but he has no interest in camels. Even a new 2-8-0 would be great (like this (http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyow/nyow-s307.jpg), this (http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trains/Susquehanna/NYSW1656.jpg), or this (http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trains/Susquehanna/NYSW1709.jpg)).

A more accurate model of H-27 #140 would be good, too. Susquehanna bought a secondhand 260,000 pound 2-8-0 sight unseen that was too heavy for their rail. It ended up as Erie #1540, switching Seacaucus and Croxton Yards. I'd run a fleet of them on the WB&E like Western Maryland ran their H-8's and H-9's on the Thomas Sub - doubleheaded, three midtrain, and two pushers because you could only haul 10 loads per engine!

yoderscoot
July 1st, 2009, 10:25 PM
I'll beta test.

CincySouthernRwy
July 1st, 2009, 10:42 PM
In 2004 I tried to interest a Yahoo group on the NYS&W in some published map work to accurately locate trackage. No one showed any interest. One person e-mailed me to tell me that they had a 1953 track chart, but he never sent it as promised. Someone finally uploaded one in 2008.

I found an elevation chart on one of the Railroad.net forums. Google maps makes it easy to locate a few industrial customers when you can see where tracks were, but it's not perfect - it doesn't help me re-create buildings that are torn down or names of customers that are there now. Rebuilding in some areas has totally destroyed any "fossil footprints" left behind by past railroad activity.

Here (http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trains/Susquehanna/PassaicJctBBColor.jpg) is what I put together of Passaic Junction Yard. It is in the style of a Bernie Beaver map, if you are familiar with that series of maps of CSX trackage. With highways, crossings, and streams marked, they are highly useful, unlike most railroad maps that are little more than spaghetti thrown against the wall.

Here (http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trains/Susquehanna/PassaicBranchtrackage.jpg) is what I put together of the Passaic Branch. I drew the tracks in bright yellow so I could match them with the topographical map. When I built the Passaic Branch, I built according to this. Where there are houses, I put houses. Where there is a crossing, I built a crossing. I included as much as possible.

USGS topographical maps will give you a rough idea of the trackage, but they leave out much. Often, double track is drawn as single, yard trackage is greatly simplified, and industrial spurs are usually inaccurate.

CincySouthernRwy
July 1st, 2009, 11:09 PM
Thanks, yoderscoot! You're on the team.

My apologies if I re-publish any screenshots.

Anyone have a copy of Carsten's book on the NYS&W handy? I'm just missing the Studebaker...
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/CrystalLake.jpg

Preparing to leave Little Ferry with a stack train. I know, the Tunnel Motors wren't purchased until AFTER the stack train business was gone.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/NYSW3012c.jpg

The Lodi Branch local rumbles past the station in Hackensack.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/NYSW1800Hackensack.jpg

On the Edgewater Branch's northern extension, 0-6-0 #104 with hoppers from ALCOA:
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/Alcoaswitcher0-6-01.jpg

The same operation with an Alco switcher:
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/AlcoaswitcherS23.jpg

Weeds. Hey, is that a roll of duct tape down there?!?!?
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/Lodiweeds.jpg

The biggest loco that Susquehanna never ran. It was too big to even be the Little Ferry hump engine, so it was transferred to parent Erie who renumbered it and used it at Secaucus and Croxton as their hump engine.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/NYSW140a.jpg

Ford Motor Company is out of sight to the left, but you can see Corn Products Refining Company and to the right General Chemical Company, then Barrett Manufacturing, and Spencer-Kellogg & Sons. Today, Edgewater Terminal is all condos and shopping malls. The tunnel portals remain, but that is it.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/EdgewaterCornProductsRefiningCo.jpg

For this area, I measured the width of the Hudson River in Google Earth and on the topo maps, then replicated that distance so that anything that one would happen to see on the east bank across the water would be realistically distant. I just keep the draw distance down when I'm in Trainz to speed things up a bit.

CozmoŽ
July 2nd, 2009, 05:28 PM
Yes it will have a Susquehanna skin.

jadebullet
July 3rd, 2009, 10:36 PM
Well, I have to say that I am inspired. I might have to do some Susie Q skins myself.

CincySouthernRwy
July 4th, 2009, 01:43 AM
Cool! What did you have in mind to make, jadebullet?

The other day I was thinking about all the trouble the Suskie had with their RS1's in the late 50's/early 60's. They were running them nearly 24/7 and the darned things kept overheating and shutting down. Then in 1962, they purchased the trio of GP18's because so many of the RS1's were out of service. Someone wrote that they started running 5 on the train to Hainesburg to interchange with the L&NE in the hopes that two would be running well enough to get over Sparta Mountain and back!

NYO&W stopped running in 1957. The NW2's were quickly purchased and the F3's found new homes almost as fast. As for the FT's, B&O bought a pair of A-B units, #807 and 808 I think. The other seven pairs sat rusting away in a yard somewhere in NJ until NYC bought them in 1965 and traded them in on GP40's.

What if NYS&W acquired them? I'd rather imagine them in maroon and gray, maybe some EMD-inspired scheme, not in the historically accurate (for 1957) solid silver.

Approaching Bogota. That pilot needs to be corrected to gray! As seen on #821, I added a screen mesh to the F7 skin so that the area between the portholes would look like a Phase II F3A. It wasn't bad for 2004 or so, but I think I can do better nowadays.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/NYSWF3s.jpg

Bogota station. The road in the foreground is Fort Lee Ferry Road, a three-lane road with a middle left turn lane.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/Bogota2.jpg

I haven't finished adapting my NYO&W reskin to Jointed Rail's model, so I used Auran's. I don't remember Auran's model reflecting like shiny metal so well as in this shot, especially around the class light and the numberboard.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/NYSWF3s2.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/NYSWF3s6.jpg

Bogota station is behind the locos with the eastbound platform off to the right. Beyond the main, in front of the lead unit, is the Bogota house track.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/NYSWF3s8.jpg

CincySouthernRwy
July 4th, 2009, 01:55 AM
Passaic Junction Yard became the major yard and interchange point for NYS&W following the conversion of Little Ferry to a SeaLand terminal. This was one of the details that won the contract for NYS&W over Conrail.

The yard has an unusual design and history. Its west end curves away from the NYS&W and junctions with the former Erie trackage that crosses over top of the NYS&W a few hundred feet further west. This was the route of the original haulage trains starting in 1982 and the first stack trains until the tracks to Sparta Jct. were placed back in service in 1987.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/PassaicJctYard5.jpg

A closer look at the switches climbing the grade toward the Erie mainline and a silver RS2 - a "what if" on my part. You can't really tell in this shot, but I made yellow/green target switch stands for yards and spur tracks off of a mainline to be used along with the red/green mainline switch stands already on the DLS. One of the target lamps (on the right) is lit up yellow instead of red. I also like how the concrete ties look like extremely faded wood.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/PassaicJctYard3.jpg

A reverse shot looking eastward showing the modern hotel that occupies the spot just north of the yard here in real life. I think the white warehouses are too tall according to some recent research, so I will need to find suitable replacements.

I-80 is in the background, but the draw distance is turned down too far to see it. :(

Passaic Junction depot burned to the ground in December 1959, though I have included it here. (My original target date was 1944-1948 for this layout.) In its petition to the ICC, NYS&W got to drop this as a commuter stop by explaining that in the first four months of 1960, ZERO passengers were picked up here.

They got permission.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/PassaicJctYard4.jpg

applegathc
July 4th, 2009, 08:49 AM
It's the Old Woman!!!:D I have an article about this railroad in one of my many copies of 'Great Model Railroads' Magazines. They called the SusyQ the 'Old Woman' (sorry if I'm pointing out the obvious). And oh by the way the route and the reskins looks GREAT!!

cam

posty33
July 4th, 2009, 08:16 PM
i would love to beta test, let me know when you have something i can try out

CincySouthernRwy
July 8th, 2009, 04:03 PM
I prefer the "Susie-Q" from the 1960's with the miniskirt that they painted on at least one green 40' boxcar:

http://www.auran.com/TRS2004/DLS_viewasset.php?AssetID=34383

In the 1940's or so, a local newspaper printed a cartoon lampooning NYS&W's bankruptcy filing and Trustee Kidde's success in producing black ink from red. It was an old woman in a coffin riding the rails. She was sitting up looking forward, and the banner on the coffin said, "Funeral Postponed".

An eastbound stack train, SLN-4 at an underpass in Paterson, NJ caught me by surprise (gotta change those trucks!):

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/SLN-41.jpg

Hey?!?! Where'd my crossing signals go?!?!?:hehe:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/SLN-45.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/SLN-47.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/SLN-413.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/SLN-417.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/SLN-414.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/SLN-424.jpg

Yes, the trim pieces on that station have been corrected. Somehow I missed them the first time.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/SLN-425.jpg

Favorite photo spot - Marcal Paper by the Passaic River:
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/SLN-426.jpg

I keep counting ten pictures, not eleven, by the server insists IT is right, so I had to delete one...

CincySouthernRwy
July 8th, 2009, 04:09 PM
One more classic NYS&W shot - crowded NJ buildings, weeds, Yellow Jackets, and double stacks:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/SLN-421.jpg

gisa
July 8th, 2009, 06:40 PM
Hey?!?! Where'd my crossing signals go?!?!?:hehe:

I keep counting ten pictures, not eleven, by the server insists IT is right, so I had to delete one...

That's because that laughing face above counts as an image. :confused: I use alternative emoticons sometimes to get around it (i.e. =) , =D , etc... )

Nice shots btw. :)

:wave:

Gisa ^^

jadebullet
July 8th, 2009, 08:43 PM
You know what, sign me up as a beta tester. I am very interested in running this route when it is ready. :)

CincySouthernRwy
July 9th, 2009, 02:42 PM
Ah. Okay, thank you, gisa.

Sure thing, jadebullet. I need a few.

I planted lots more weeds in my last three days off of work. :-) Getting closer all the time!

gisa
July 9th, 2009, 06:45 PM
My pleasure Cincy.

:wave:

Gisa ^^

CincySouthernRwy
July 17th, 2009, 03:26 AM
Today's local to Pompton Lakes will switch the sugar mill. Our power is a blue B&O GP38, oddly enough. (I wanted to be different.)

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/BOPomptonlocal1.jpg

East end of town:
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/BOPomptonlocal3.jpg

From the dock of a neighboring customer, I grabbed this shot of the local entering town on the running track.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/BOPomptonlocal5.jpg

Near the station.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/BOPomptonlocal6.jpg

Backing into the sugar mill spur. The freight house and team track are also on this track.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/BOPomptonlocal7.jpg

Backing through a crossing. Notice that we have to travel through a residential part of town. The road splits to allow the track through the middle!
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/BOPomptonlocal10.jpg

Entering the plant's property. (I added the fence this morning.)
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/BOPomptonlocal11.jpg

Backing toward the run-around to grab the covered hoppers.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/BOPomptonlocal12.jpg

After swapping out the covered hoppers, we push the gons out of the way to grab the tanks.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/BOPomptonlocal13.jpg

Moving between the buildings, we pick up the empty coal hoppers from the power plant and get the boxcars of finished sugar products ready for the grocery stores and bakeries.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/BOPomptonlocal15.jpg

CincySouthernRwy
July 17th, 2009, 03:32 AM
After the crew finishes swapping out cars, it's time to place the new cars and put the gons back:
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/BOPomptonlocal18.jpg

The engine squeals as it rounds the curve and passes the large freight house.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/BOPomptonlocal20.jpg

Snaking through the curve from the running track to the mainline.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/BOPomptonlocal22.jpg

Artsy shot of the power through the station's bay window.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/BOPomptonlocal23.jpg

I hope to do a similar tour of the Lodi, Passaic, and Edgewater Branches. With authentic power, of course.

CincySouthernRwy
July 30th, 2009, 07:55 PM
Just a quick update - I think most of the vegetation is done... of course, as I write this, I've decided to remodel the eastern end a bit.

Looking at Krause & Crist (1980) and Tupaczewski (2004) and Google Earth/Maps, I've decided to strike a balance in how the line is represented from Little Ferry east. The few photos I have, mostly in the Morning Sun book, show a reed overgrown wetland with a single track down the middle and Susquehanna Transfer somewhere in the middle with several viaducts overhead.

Google shows LOTS of large warehouse-type buildings, light industry, some roads, overpasses, several crossovers to the former Erie line, and little of the wetland scenery left. The one picture of Marion Jct. (West End) that I've seen looks like it is in the middle of a city. Modeled as wetlands, it appeared that I hadn't done much with the line and it always looked disappointing. So I've blended the two versions, which fits the nature of this layout anyway.

A few pics of the Passaic Branch - here a Delaware Otsego RS3 heads off the main and down the branch:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/PassaicLocal7-23-092.jpg

First stop is to run around the cars and grab a few off the rear for the first customers. Not a realistic operation, but it made things more interesting and allowed me to test some switchstands.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/PassaicLocal7-23-093.jpg


http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/PassaicLocal7-23-095.jpg

At the end of the siding and hitting the first crossing. I think this is former LASB 102.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/PassaicLocal7-23-097.jpg

Pulling the hoppers off the rear.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/PassaicLocal7-23-099.jpg

Back on our way "railroad west" (south).
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/PassaicLocal7-23-0913.jpg

More later!

CincySouthernRwy
July 31st, 2009, 01:16 AM
More Passaic Branch shots. After crossing Market Street, the local is about to cross Route 46.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/PassaicLocal7-23-0914.jpg

On another day, we see the local handled by one of the three GP18's. Here is the train approaching Passaic Junction. The former Erie overpass at Passaic Junction Yard is in the background.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/PassaicLocal7-24-094.jpg

Here 1800 is running long hood-first.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/PassaicLocal7-24-0911.jpg

Turning around quickly while the local observes the 10 mph speed limit, one can only imagine how the wheels find the rails through the "sea of weeds".
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/PassaicLocal7-24-0915.jpg

Google only lists this street's name as "Blvd" in several spots, so one might guess that this is "Boulevard Blvd".
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/PassaicLocal7-24-0916.jpg

The scraping and smacking of tree limbs being drug along the sides of the train forces the crew to close the windows, even in the hottest days of July and August. Up ahead is River Drive crossing and then the Passaic River bridge.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/PassaicLocal7-24-0918.jpg

CincySouthernRwy
July 31st, 2009, 01:34 AM
Hard to imagine all this makes money for the railroad. This is River Drive crossing.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/PassaicLocal7-24-0920.jpg

This is one of the shots that makes all the mosquitos, broken glass, and waiting for lunch worth it. Yes, that bridge is wood! In reality, the bridge caught fire and burned around 1968. Susquehanna detoured over the Erie's Bergen County Line to reach their isolated trackage on Dundee Island for about two weeks before Irving Maidman decided to throw in the towel and give the customers to the Erie Lackawanna.

In Trainz, NYS&W keeps Dundee Island.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/PassaicLocal7-24-0921.jpg

My best source of info for the Passaic Branch is USGS Topographic maps. They show a network of spurs serving several different spots. My imagination, Google Maps, and two photos published by Morning Sun fill in the rest. Here the local reaches the other side of the Passaic River and ducks under State Route 21.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/PassaicLocal7-24-0922.jpg

Track conditions here are no better...
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/PassaicLocal7-24-0923.jpg

First stop is to drop the caboose and shove two tankcars (coming towards the camera).
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/PassaicLocal7-24-0925.jpg

Yes, the left diverging route has a bridge over what I believe is the old Dundee Canal. At least, what is left of it...
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/PassaicLocal7-24-0926.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/PassaicLocal7-24-0929.jpg

Here is the same bridge the two tanks were shoved over. Now on the return trip we get a better look.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/PassaicLocal7-24-0930.jpg

Further down the branch, the crew begins spotting the other setouts. We are almost at the end of the line, about 1,000 feet behind us, give or take.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/PassaicLocal7-24-0932.jpg

CincySouthernRwy
August 17th, 2009, 09:08 PM
I discovered a KUID conflict between some crossings I am reskinning and some switchstands. As a result, dozens, maybe even hundreds, of switchstands disappeared. I didn't replace them through TO properly, I guess. So I am replacing them manually. I changed the KUID numbers, then changed them in the config file. Apparently that is not the way to do it! Changing the number back didn't fix anything. :(

The good news is that I am mostly done already. I just have to hit Edgewater Terminal and east of Little Ferry. After that, I should be ready for beta-testing!

Remember this is Version 1. That means there will be future versions. Version 1 covers the line at its smallest, from West End to Butler, NJ. Future additions include extending the line to:

Sparta Jct. (Version 2),
to Hainesburg (Version 3),
to Stroudsburg, PA (Version 4, where current track laying has stopped), and
to Wilkes-Barre (Version 5).

I am thinking about including "alternate versions", for example, converting Little Ferry to a Sealand Terminal (Version 2.1), the new connector at Sparta Jct. (Version 2.2), Ridgefield Park Engine Terminal (Version 2.3), addition of the Hanford Branch (Version 3.1), extension to Kingston passenger station across the river from Wilkes-Barre (Version 5.1), etc.

At least, that is my plan. The easy part is that it only requires doing a bit more than the previous version had.

posty33
August 18th, 2009, 02:05 PM
sweet, can i get in on the beta test? can wait!

CincySouthernRwy
September 7th, 2009, 01:22 AM
Funny you ask. I'm preparing the CDP package for beta-testing now. It's finally ready. Been so bleedin' busy...

I've begun uploading the items I've customized for this route, plus a few goodies - the various Alco roadswitchers from the early Delaware Otsego years. Looking through the book "Shortlines to Stackpacks" gave me quite a bit of inspiration, and they were easy to make.

I tried to make a few moviez showing the NYS&W, BUT Windows Movie Maker refuses to produce anything that isn't dark and too red. I may still upload them to Youtube, but the color of the videos is very disappointing for the work I put into them.

Well, I've got stuff to package. TTFN!

JCitron
September 7th, 2009, 11:04 AM
Hey Adam you've done a nice job here. I used to visit relatives in eastern NJ and remember the Susie-Q well in the earlier days.

You might want to look at Bing Maps and the Bird's Eye View. This will give you a current view of the buildings (well perhaps 3-6 year-old overhead and orthographic photos), etc. You can see traces of old abandoned ROWs and bridge abutments where the track has long since been removed. This makes it a lot easier for seeing the area and getting an idea of what the trackage looks like than the overhead satelite view. Bing has that also and sometimes where the Bird's Eye view doesn't exist, the overhead shots are needed. The overhead view, by the way, is similar to what Google has.

John

WCL
September 7th, 2009, 12:22 PM
Not to bad of shots....I like the ones with all the weeds over the trax......Them are always my fav :Y:




http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/PassaicLocal7-24-0916.jpg


Whats holding up that crossing arm??? :hehe: lol

CincySouthernRwy
September 9th, 2009, 01:15 PM
Hey Adam you've done a nice job here. I used to visit relatives in eastern NJ and remember the Susie-Q well in the earlier days.

You might want to look at Bing Maps and the Bird's Eye View. This will give you a current view of the buildings (well perhaps 3-6 year-old overhead and orthographic photos), etc. You can see traces of old abandoned ROWs and bridge abutments where the track has long since been removed. This makes it a lot easier for seeing the area and getting an idea of what the trackage looks like than the overhead satelite view. Bing has that also and sometimes where the Bird's Eye view doesn't exist, the overhead shots are needed. The overhead view, by the way, is similar to what Google has.

John


Thanks, John!

I discovered Microsoft Live Search (now Bing) when I reached Midland Park. It's very nice when Bird's Eye views are available. Unfortunately, they aren't always available. But it helps. As I continue playing with it, I'm sure there will be updates. (I really need to check Saddlebrook with it.) Just last night I was looking at Lackawaxen, PA. The Bird's Eye View was great. The overhead appeared to be the exact same image used by Google.

Google used to have a feature - I haven't seen it in a while - that gave you a street view of places. Wherever the road was blue, click it, and you'd see it from the Googlemobile. :hehe: It was great for Rt. 46 over the Ridgefield Park engine terminal. Unfortunately, they seem to have killed that feature.

WCL...

Yes, I agree, those weedy views are my favorite, too. There's one further down the branch near the river that I refer to as "a sea of weeds between rows of trees". Somewhere in there is a track.

I've noticed that the Proxing crossings seem to "lose" their support mast for crossing gates. They are also the only crossing at this time that take YARN road splines properly. And I got permission to reskin them to look like the older wood crossings as one would see in the 1940-1990 time period. (The one in the pic you cite is actually wrong and was fixed.)

CincySouthernRwy
September 9th, 2009, 01:18 PM
I wanted this to be a separate post... (because I can? :hehe: )

The Susquehanna v1.0 has been sent for beta-testing as of this morning (10:25 EDT).
:D

Phew.

Now on to version 5. :hehe: Seriously.

WCL
September 9th, 2009, 01:24 PM
WOW....You are on a roll...... :Y:

applegathc
September 9th, 2009, 01:42 PM
I wanted this to be a separate post... (because I can? :hehe: )

The Susquehanna v1.0 has been sent for beta-testing as of this morning (10:25 EDT).
:D

Phew.

Now on to version 5. :hehe: Seriously.

Nice route!!

And good luck with part 5 Adam!:eek::hehe:

posty33
September 9th, 2009, 04:45 PM
so far im missing like 92 dependencies, but once i get that cleared up ill be good, took it for a quick test spin, only thing i noticed negative so far is when leaving Butler, NJ the crossings do not stop the oncoming traffic, they just drive right through the trains. Ill work on those dependencies and try it again later.

Michael_Evans
September 9th, 2009, 05:19 PM
I've noticed that the Proxing crossings seem to "lose" their support mast for crossing gates. They are also the only crossing at this time that take YARN road splines properly. And I got permission to reskin them to look like the older wood crossings as one would see in the 1940-1990 time period. (The one in the pic you cite is actually wrong and was fixed.)
Great route Adam, I love that industrial branch in your last set of screenshots. I have a fix for those floating gates, put the "pipe bollard galvanized" by gfisher on the DLS under the gates
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm180/mikeevanssski/Screen_020-1.jpg

CincySouthernRwy
September 10th, 2009, 01:53 AM
so far im missing like 92 dependencies, but once i get that cleared up ill be good, took it for a quick test spin, only thing i noticed negative so far is when leaving Butler, NJ the crossings do not stop the oncoming traffic, they just drive right through the trains.

Only 92? :hehe: That's pretty good. Last time I downloaded a route and grabbed all the missing dependencies, it was over 150. Anymore I just try to get the track and textures.

One negative and no power of ten! :hehe: Amazing.

Yes, I used my whole content arsenal on this. I reskinned stations, crossings, and switchstands. Going to be lots of digging around for people. Fortunately, according to TrainzObjectz, there is only one "unknown" item, and I know what it is. It's a substation used for the Pennsy electrified line and it's on a French Trainz site. It's very optional.

I have noticed that cars go through some of the crossings. I'm not sure why that happens. Content issue of some sort. Oh well. Perhaps an Operation Lifesaver helo (helicopter) and trooper chase would fix this? :hehe: Not that OL is a laughing matter...

Thanks for the fix, Michael!

Does anyone have maps, diagrams, etc. showing the location of the WB&E, NYS&W, or SCRR in Wilkes-Barre? Moosic? James Guthrie of the New Jersey Midland Historical Society wrote an article on the line, but it's sadly OOP. I'd like to be as accurate as possible here as it dictates how this terminal is operated.

CincySouthernRwy
October 13th, 2009, 02:46 AM
Thanks to MrScott2006, I have a Google Earth map of the WB&E and the SCRR! It's missing one spur that I can tell, but it is still very informative. So far it has helped me to correct the grade from JU Cabin (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2494/4007975284_cc581865c8_o.jpg)down to Hainesburg Jct., to build the Delaware River bridge (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2662/4007209165_b922b96e38_o.jpg), and more accurately start the trackage into Stroudsburg. Woo hoo! Building the WB&E into Wilkes-Barre should be fun.

So far, no word from the beta-testers aside from locating some custom items for one tester.

Ben Neal's 6-coupled running gear (from the 4-6-0) placed under the Reading 4-4-0C yields an interesting, though backwards, result:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2573/4007967146_444f527bb4_o.jpg

CincySouthernRwy
November 25th, 2009, 01:12 PM
Thanks to Trunda's outstanding weeds and trees, I am now adding in his work to the Susquehanna. The changes/additions are worth the effort. It's simply an order of magnitude in improvement in appearance. They don't stand out too much, yet you can't not noticed an improvement. The colors are very natural. With the taller weeds already in place, there is a nice contrast in sizes such as you see along real ROWs.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2624/4134173218_7cb1fa5a8d_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2742/4134172836_6e04d6f0e9_o.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29463457@N03/4133411039/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29463457@N03/4133410737/

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2783/4133410601_43e1a21dfe_o.jpg

Also, after something like 5 or 6 months of trying, I finally got Windows Movie Maker to operate and got the Susquehanna video to save properly and uploaded to Youtube. All it needs is the narrator from Pentrex. It's not the greatest, but it's kinda cool. Check it out.

"Meet the Passaic Branch"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CjA94Q6i_k

Maybe I can find the time to edit and upload the others.

UP5521
November 25th, 2009, 02:06 PM
in a good way, those shots of this railroad are sick,nice work!:cool:

gisa
November 25th, 2009, 09:22 PM
WOW. I agree that tundras trees make a big difference.

This looks great and I'm sure it's a lot of fun to drive on.

Keep up the great work! ^^

:wave:

Gisa ^^

CincySouthernRwy
April 22nd, 2010, 01:55 AM
As a further example of the kind of quality work I am pushing to produce with maps/layouts, I decided to take two small projects that I had "completed" and update them to these new, higher standards.

Metro Belt & Terminal v3 (http://www.auran.com/TRS2004/DLS_viewasset.php?AssetID=164232), kuid2:45588:289130:2, was featured in the April 2001 issue of Model Railroader magazine. Version 1 has been available on the DLS. I had started updating it to version 2 when I started this re-tooling project, so version 2 never got uploaded.

Pennsylvania & Potomac Plan #26 (http://www.auran.com/TRS2004/DLS_viewasset.php?AssetID=164238), kuid:45588:100020, is taken from "101 Trackplans for Model Railroaders" written by Linn Westcott and published by Kalmbach Publishing sometime around the last ice age. It was inadvertently never uploaded before. It includes a driveable road - just get in a driveable car and chase trains! You can even drive through the engine servicing area and around the passenger station. Layoutvision (http://www.layoutvision.com/id39.html) has a neat article on how to operate this layout. I recommend checking it out.

These two projects will give you an idea of what I am trying to accomplish with the Susquehanna.

UP5521
April 22nd, 2010, 05:38 AM
I have to admitt that the railroad you are working on is amazing,but I wonder if the railroad had monster steam engines of the 2-10-2 catagory,if so, they will look great thundering down the tracks on your line!;)

mcguirel
April 22nd, 2010, 08:14 AM
Take no offense to this, however this route announcement thru screenshots (not in freeware which I somewhat applaud) was almost 1 year ago with what seemed to be a substancial amount of work already completed as stated this was started in late 2005.

While your last screenshot is superb, it also signifies this is far from completion.

We all know that route building takes time, but let's cut to the chase. My opinion is that if one (not totally directed to you) is announcing work / effort that is intended for release then the announcement / enticing screenshots should not be posted in a window more than 3 months from release.

teddytoot
April 22nd, 2010, 01:21 PM
I know this is not a screenshot topic but this seems the best place to post this rather than start a new thread.

There seems to be a problem with your Pennsylvania & Potomac Plan #26 upload. The file is only 13Kb in size and only seems to contain the config file. Also 2010 objects to the # sign in the name (another Auran "improvement"). I also seem to be missing a lot of your items plus some of Euphod's which are not on the DLS.

CincySouthernRwy
April 22nd, 2010, 02:15 PM
Take no offense to this, however this route announcement thru screenshots (not in freeware which I somewhat applaud) was almost 1 year ago with what seemed to be a substancial amount of work already completed as stated this was started in late 2005.

While your last screenshot is superb, it also signifies this is far from completion.

We all know that route building takes time, but let's cut to the chase. My opinion is that if one (not totally directed to you) is announcing work / effort that is intended for release then the announcement / enticing screenshots should not be posted in a window more than 3 months from release.

I thought this has been addressed in previous posts. Hmmm.

Yes, route completion takes time, especially when time is in great demand elsewhere. I'm not sure what you are applauding, though. As previously stated, once I discovered new, better content, I updated my standards. (If only people would stop creating better stuff...!) Had I not improved the materials I use, this would have been uploaded long ago. Of course, the balance between standards and project completion gets more difficult. I don't think there is an answer to this other than ignoring new content until a project is complete. Then it is immediately obsolete (just like your "new" computer).

I would agree with the 3 months rule of thumb, and when I started this thread, I was closer than that. At least I can't blame the beta-testers. I only ever heard back from one of them.

Many other projects have taken longer than this (see NKP Berkshire). I think this is the nature of one person working on a big project and I'd be surprised if it changes anytime soon. With Auran cutting off 04/06 creators, there is a significant deadline to upload whatever one has by September and than find another way to share new content.

I'll check out the P&P. It's a small project and maps are not usually large files. OTOH, I have had recent issues with Content Dispatcher (and Trainz) that have never cropped up before. I also know that my computer is slowly dying.

"Also 2010 objects to the # sign in the name (another Auran "improvement")"

What does this mean? Are you saying that it's pulling 2,010 objects out of the game or off the DLS? Does it run with your internet connection disabled?

CincySouthernRwy
April 22nd, 2010, 02:22 PM
Notice the track, road, and vegetation. Rather than relying on textures for foliage, the 3D content makes a HUGE difference. Also, the colors are more subtle, just like in real life, not too bright:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4031/4311002007_2aef7457d3_o.jpg

The spur track in the background is buried in weeds. Very common and worth the work. Also, the road matches the rail height at the crossing.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4062/4310999851_852fed3008_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4072/4311736748_1561948069_o.jpg

Even up close the scene holds up well. In comparison, the default plant life included pales in comparison, especially when side-by-side.

Thomas_The_Tank100
April 22nd, 2010, 03:09 PM
Remember this is Version 1. That means there will be future versions. Version 1 covers the line at its smallest, from West End to Butler, NJ. Future additions include extending the line to:

Sparta Jct. (Version 2),
to Hainesburg (Version 3),
to Stroudsburg, PA (Version 4, where current track laying has stopped), and
to Wilkes-Barre (Version 5).


Sparta, NJ? In Sussex County? I used to live there!
Doesn't Sparta Junction interchange with The Lehigh and Hudson River Railway.
The L&HRR's Headquarters used to be in Warwick, NY in Orange County, which is 30 minutes from where I live now.
The L&HRR connected the NYS&W with the Erie Railroad at Greycourt, NY via what is now the the Susie-Q's New Mainline.
~TTT100~

teddytoot
April 22nd, 2010, 04:29 PM
"Also 2010 objects to the # sign in the name (another Auran "improvement")"

What does this mean? Are you saying that it's pulling 2,010 objects out of the game or off the DLS? Does it run with your internet connection disabled?
CMP will not open the file because of an illegal character (#). I had to change the # to another character in a hex editor before I could open it and discover that all it contained was the config file. In the game all I got was an empty blue sky screen. As regards file size I would have expected it to be similar to your other route i.e. about 300Kb.

sportsguy
January 7th, 2011, 06:30 PM
I prefer the "Susie-Q" from the 1960's with the miniskirt that they painted on at least one green 40' boxcar:

http://www.auran.com/TRS2004/DLS_viewasset.php?AssetID=34383

In the 1940's or so, a local newspaper printed a cartoon lampooning NYS&W's bankruptcy filing and Trustee Kidde's success in producing black ink from red. It was an old woman in a coffin riding the rails. She was sitting up looking forward, and the banner on the coffin said, "Funeral Postponed".

An eastbound stack train, SLN-4 at an underpass in Paterson, NJ caught me by surprise (gotta change those trucks!):

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/SLN-41.jpg

Hey?!?! Where'd my crossing signals go?!?!?:hehe:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/SLN-45.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/SLN-47.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/SLN-413.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/SLN-417.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/SLN-414.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/SLN-424.jpg

Yes, the trim pieces on that station have been corrected. Somehow I missed them the first time.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/SLN-425.jpg

Favorite photo spot - Marcal Paper by the Passaic River:
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z271/CNSR4500/Trainz/Susquehanna/SLN-426.jpg

I keep counting ten pictures, not eleven, by the server insists IT is right, so I had to delete one...


Two things. One, there is a Lowe's there not a home depot. The second, where did you get that sd70?

gisa
January 7th, 2011, 09:11 PM
Two things. One, there is a Lowe's there not a home depot. The second, where did you get that sd70?

Please don't quote images: it's a waste of bandwidth and it makes others wait longer for the page to load. If you quote his post, you can remove the pictures, but that okay because others will know which post you are referring to otherwise based on the text in them.

If you look at the trucks (which he said he had to swap out) we can deduce that it's a reskin of a BNSF SD70 (as they had that colour trucks). I don't know if Cincy ever released the reskin (or had permission to) but hopefully that will help answer your question.

:wave:

Gisa ^^

GS41995
January 8th, 2011, 01:32 AM
Is anyone going to do the famous stack trains that ran on the NYS&W?:cool:

817TAYLOR
March 8th, 2011, 03:32 PM
I am glad to see this post still goin

sawyer811
March 8th, 2011, 05:18 PM
While this is here, I have to say that this route is beautiful. I ran it in TS2009 and it was great. Great mix of line-haul and heavy switching. My favorite section was the branch onto the island, most of the time i'd just switch that. Time to get this thing back in TS2010, i think. Now that i know you need Trunda's trees (which i have, now) It will look even better!!! .

CincySouthernRwy
June 6th, 2011, 07:34 PM
Is anyone going to do the famous stack trains that ran on the NYS&W?:cool:

Last time I searched for photos of those cars, I couldn't find any. It's as if no one ever photographed them.

A

CincySouthernRwy
June 6th, 2011, 07:38 PM
If you look at the trucks (which he said he had to swap out) we can deduce that it's a reskin of a BNSF SD70 (as they had that colour trucks). I don't know if Cincy ever released the reskin (or had permission to) but hopefully that will help answer your question.

:wave:

Gisa ^^

You are correct. It was a BNSF SD70MAC. I swear I downloaded it from the DLS. That's where 98% of my downloading is from. Yet, I cannot re-find it. Perhaps someone errored? I never released a reskin b/c I never got permission. I don't even recall if the author's ID and contact info is in the config file.

It used to be easy to go to the folder and check, but now with TS2009 renaming folders with gobble-dee-gook names written in pure gibberish, and placing these folder in similarly renamed folders, it's nearly impossible to find anything.

A

Euphod
June 6th, 2011, 07:46 PM
Could be the -70 was from Digital Roundhouse, from long ago...