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TickyTacky
November 9th, 2008, 04:56 AM
Firstly, I would like to point out that there is many unfinished maps in the beta.Secondly,on certain maps,like Dresden, has hills of dirt on the railway tracks and is a bit of an eyesore,but the trains can go through them. Thirdly, I would like to see larger maps,but mostly would like to see a map of QLD(AURAN'S HQ IS IN BRISBANE).More variety of trains(e.g Suburban Multiple Unit (220 Series) (Citytrain), like the Suburban and in the first Trainz, where you can drive around without needing to a certain objectives, and more variety of of scenery. lastly, I would like to see a very large change in graphics(make the graphics I bit more better, more realistic)

Laddie
November 9th, 2008, 06:47 AM
Are the graphics any better than TRS2006?

Remilliard
November 9th, 2008, 06:50 AM
Are the graphics any better than TRS2006?

Not until somebody creates content that makes use of the enhancements.

Glenethson
November 9th, 2008, 08:17 AM
Well what do you know! Auran has managed to turn TS2009 into a complete mess before it even comes out. They should rename the forums "The home of problems for Auran games".

AHSAN
November 9th, 2008, 09:20 AM
Well what do you know! Auran has managed to turn TS2009 into a complete mess before it even comes out..

Hello

The whole purpose of beta testing is finding bugs and reporting back so it will be fixed, TS2009 is a major improvement from the previous versions and this is not the final product.

Regards

Ahsan:)

johnwhelan
November 9th, 2008, 09:44 AM
Firstly, I would like to point out that there is many unfinished maps in the beta.Secondly,on certain maps,like Dresden, has hills of dirt on the railway tracks and is a bit of an eyesore,but the trains can go through them. Thirdly, I would like to see larger maps,but mostly would like to see a map of QLD(AURAN'S HQ IS IN BRISBANE).More variety of trains(e.g Suburban Multiple Unit (220 Series) (Citytrain), like the Suburban and in the first Trainz, where you can drive around without needing to a certain objectives, and more variety of of scenery. lastly, I would like to see a very large change in graphics(make the graphics I bit more better, more realistic)


It is a beta, there is a section for reporting bugs in the beta to Auran.

The references to content are quite different, this is what Blender etc are for so that you can create what you would like to see. Most Trainz content is provided by the community. It is of variable quality but does have a wide range.

Technically the graphics in the software are capable of providing what you are asking for it just takes time for the community content creators to make use of the new features. Some payware may well be created to a higher graphics standard first.

Cheerio John

paulhobbs
November 9th, 2008, 03:11 PM
You say TRS2006 still has bugs, so why wernt they solved in TRS2006 Beta?
Whats to stop it happening in TS2009?
Get involved in the TS2009 Beta and you'll find out reporting a bug and getting it fixed are two completely different things.

Paul

trainzbroken
November 9th, 2008, 05:36 PM
not all bugs get solved. there will always be bugs. nothings perfect. unless you want to drop 1 million for the trs2009 game with military software to make it bug free. most of the bugs for the trs2006 im sure were solved i never tried the beta and i was not on this forum when it or trs2004 came out. i got trs2006 from amazon.com so i don't know what bugs were with the beta.most of the bugs are script errors one route can't be completed and one route when the train enters the portal i get non fatal script error.

Glenethson
November 10th, 2008, 10:55 AM
charging us rip off prices for a game with bugs is not on and no doubt TS2009 will just be TRS2006 with a few better objects, locos and graphics with a huge price tag. Yer, has anyone noticed no one ever metions the price tag of TS2009? and why have it has two games split in half? so you can charge us double price no doubt.

ColPrice2002
November 10th, 2008, 11:11 AM
huge price tag
About 20.

About the cost of two ticket for "Quantum of Solace" - which I understand also has some "bugs" in it. (so you can have about 2 hours at the pictures or hundreds of hours with Trainz - your choice)


why have it has two games split in half
One's for those who want to make routes, the later one for those who want to have some 2009 content.
You can run Routes and sessions on either - youi don't need to buy both.

All of this is on the website - and on the Forum - so it's not top-secret.

Colin

paulhobbs
November 10th, 2008, 11:17 AM
charging us rip off prices for a game with bugs is not on and no doubt TS2009 will just be TRS2006 with a few better objects, locos and graphics with a huge price tag. Yer, has anyone noticed no one ever metions the price tag of TS2009? and why have it has two games split in half? so you can charge us double price no doubt.
Don't buy it then, it will be better for your blood pressure and will mean a lot less static here.

Paul

Glenethson
November 10th, 2008, 11:19 AM
Don't buy it then, it will be better for your blood pressure and will mean a lot less static here.

Paul

No, it will be better for my bank accounts. Blood Presure? I'm 13.

paulhobbs
November 10th, 2008, 11:20 AM
No, it will be better for my bank accounts. Blood Presure? I'm 13.
Ah sorry. At 13 you probably haven't found out how real life works yet.

Paul

scorpio48
November 10th, 2008, 11:25 AM
Hi All,
Do you get the feeling that this Forum has only one disruptive person going under several names.
Either that or we're suddenly being infiltrated by other railway simulators who haven't got the slightest clue of how this Forum, Auran or Trainz work.
To the people I'm talking about. Stop being selfish, childish brats, who only want to offend.

Cheers
Pete.

Glenethson
November 10th, 2008, 11:27 AM
About 20.

About the cost of two ticket for "Quantum of Solace" - which I understand also has some "bugs" in it. (so you can have about 2 hours at the pictures or hundreds of hours with Trainz - your choice)


One's for those who want to make routes, the later one for those who want to have some 2009 content.
You can run Routes and sessions on either - youi don't need to buy both.

All of this is on the website - and on the Forum - so it's not top-secret.

Colin

40 if you buy both TEE and WBE, 10 more than TRS2006.

I have seen "Quantum of Solace", quite good. Anyway, when I first heard TS2009 will be coming out I was excited and i scanned the forums for ages trying to learn every bit of infomation I could. After a while I relised it was just a slightly improved version of TRS2006.

Remilliard
November 10th, 2008, 11:50 AM
I always find it hilarious to read that somebody else decides what the other guy experiences as a lot of money. Only $ 30,00 means nothing to one person but somebody else possibly has to feed his entire family from it. This is not only a problem of the Trainz community but I have seen it at other communities as well. Perhaps people should just accept it when one person says he or she considers $ 30,00 a lot of money.

deeelare
November 10th, 2008, 11:57 AM
...snip... and i scanned the forums for ages trying to learn every bit of infomation I could. After a while I relised it was just a slightly improved version of TRS2006.

You most likely need to scan a bit more ?

And a couple of totally different thoughts -
Although I believe Auran's decision to release the Beta was a good idea , it appears several members have downloaded it without any knowledge of what a beta is . Auran should have posted the info in RED , with 2 inch bold letters , that it is simply a test release , and any problems/errors should be posted at the Testing site , not on the Forum .

I can see a new video driver needed for my computer soon(tm), and I am looking forward to the TS2009 release date and to the creators building TS2009 content .

I have a feeling TSX will not be pre-released as a BETA ;) !

My thoughts --- ,DLR

Glenethson
November 10th, 2008, 11:59 AM
I always find it hilarious to read that somebody else decides what the other guy experiences as a lot of money. Only $ 30,00 means nothing to one person but somebody else possibly has to feed his entire family from it. This is not only a problem of the Trainz community but I have seen it at other communities as well. Perhaps people should just accept it when one person says he or she considers $ 30,00 a lot of money.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I may well be 13 but i don't mind spending 30.00 on a game that could provide hour after hour of play, but spending 30.00 on a game with bugs is too much.

Captain_Collins
November 10th, 2008, 12:02 PM
Oh, don't get me wrong, I may well be 13 but i don't mind spending 30.00 on a game that could provide hour after hour of play, but spending 30.00 on a game with bugs is too much.

So you reckon that there are no bugs in other released games then. You really need to learn some computer skills if you believe that is so.

Glenethson
November 10th, 2008, 12:07 PM
So you reckon that there are no bugs in other released games then. You really need to learn some computer skills if you believe that is so.

Ok, maybe I am saying and assuming things that are untrue. I am venting a days work at a public school.

I am still considering buying TS2009 you know.

I joined this forum to make friends, not enemies, to talk to people who want to drive the latest state of the art trains and build mile after mile of tracks and objects and stations. Also to get help when things don't go right in TRS2006.

PatrickTaylor89
November 10th, 2008, 12:12 PM
I always find it hilarious to read that somebody else decides what the other guy experiences as a lot of money. Only $ 30,00 means nothing to one person but somebody else possibly has to feed his entire family from it. This is not only a problem of the Trainz community but I have seen it at other communities as well. Perhaps people should just accept it when one person says he or she considers $ 30,00 a lot of money.

I consider this thread to be one of the more childish ones that I've read on the forum in a while, so I'm not sure I want to bother responding to it...but, I'm going to anyway...

While I agree that everyone has different financial means and that we should be respectful of that, it really has nothing to do with this discussion. The poster in question never said that they couldn't afford it, they said that it was a "rip off". Thinking that something isn't worth the money, and not being able to afford that item are two different things.

Also, while we're on the subject of financial means, I hear the occasional forum members complain about the cost of certain payware items (usually $5 or $10). No doubt there are a few who feel the same way about the latest version of the game. While I'm sure some of them truely can't afford the items, it does make me wonder how someone so unable to spend $5 (or even $30) manages to afford a spiffy computer capable of running Trainz in the first place.

Patrick

scorpio48
November 10th, 2008, 12:52 PM
For goodness sake!!!
Talking about price, bugs Etc.
Don't you realise it's a Beta program released so you can comment on it and suggest fixes (within reason) that you would like to see. You are being invited to be part of the development team, and for that you should be grateful.

Pete.

Laddie
November 11th, 2008, 10:44 AM
So you reckon that there are no bugs in other released games then. You really need to learn some computer skills if you believe that is so.

I've never come across a game that has more bugs than TRS2006

Laddie
November 11th, 2008, 10:49 AM
I consider this thread to be one of the more childish ones that I've read on the forum in a while, so I'm not sure I want to bother responding to it...but, I'm going to anyway...

While I agree that everyone has different financial means and that we should be respectful of that, it really has nothing to do with this discussion. The poster in question never said that they couldn't afford it, they said that it was a "rip off". Thinking that something isn't worth the money, and not being able to afford that item are two different things.

Also, while we're on the subject of financial means, I hear the occasional forum members complain about the cost of certain payware items (usually $5 or $10). No doubt there are a few who feel the same way about the latest version of the game. While I'm sure some of them truely can't afford the items, it does make me wonder how someone so unable to spend $5 (or even $30) manages to afford a spiffy computer capable of running Trainz in the first place.

Patrick

I got my computer with a loan, but even before I got my computer I still couldn't have afforded it. Well, I could afford them, but it was more of a value for money thing, I only paid 20 for TRS2004 so I didn't find it value for money to get buy some payware that costs 8.

20 for the entire game that comes with content and access to thousands of content that is equally good to payware.
5-10 for one single item.....

Not value for money in my opinion.

scorpio48
November 11th, 2008, 11:46 AM
I've never come across a game that has more bugs than TRS2006

Snipped & Combined

I only paid 20 for TRS2004 so I didn't find it value for money to get buy some payware that costs 8.

20 for the entire game that comes with content and access to thousands of content that is equally good to payware.
5-10 for one single item.....

Not value for money in my opinion.

Hi
Why not point out the bugs, and politely ask for help.
Quite a few so-called bugs in 2006 are through external problems and are nothing to do with Auran, or 2006. If they are in 2006, they can be fixed, as I said you only have to ask.

Payware This is easy; you don't have to buy it, any version of Trainz will run without it.
If it didn't then complaints in this Forum would be justified. Otherwise, its between you and the payware vendor, and don't belong here. I could just as well say I was ripped off when I bought a washing machine, because they didn't tell me I needed washing powder/liquid for it to clean properly. Get my point.
Pete.

JCitron
November 11th, 2008, 12:53 PM
Well of course there are going to be bugs. This what the Beta version is for. This when the developer has taken the first version of the prigram with its obvious bugs fixed, and is now having everyone put the software through its paces. It's at this point where the real software bugs show their heads.

This is the toughest phase in software development because some things are broken while other things are being fixed. That is why there are different builds and beta versions. Each build is supposed to have repaired the first round of bugs and make the software better and better.

By the time the program is released, hopefully the developer has had a chance to remove the real show stoppers, and the other smaller less bothersome ones can be removed with patches and updates.

I hope this explains this well to you Glenn. I want to see you grow with the hobby/program rather than be chased away be the mean spirits that sometimes swirl around here in the forums.

John

aardvark1
November 11th, 2008, 02:04 PM
I've never come across a game that has more bugs than TRS2006

Please list the bugs that you have seen from your perspective....perhaps people on the forum may help you correct or advise a work-around for you.

No need to list CMP, as that has been an ongoing issue since TRS 2006 for many people.

As has been posted above, all software has bugs.

Have fun,

Glenethson
November 11th, 2008, 02:38 PM
Hi
Why not point out the bugs, and politely ask for help.
Quite a few so-called bugs in 2006 are through external problems and are nothing to do with Auran, or 2006. If they are in 2006, they can be fixed, as I said you only have to ask.

Payware This is easy; you don't have to buy it, any version of Trainz will run without it.
If it didn't then complaints in this Forum would be justified. Otherwise, its between you and the payware vendor, and don't belong here. I could just as well say I was ripped off when I bought a washing machine, because they didn't tell me I needed washing powder/liquid for it to clean properly. Get my point.
Pete.

I think thats a bad example because a washing machine won't clean your clothes if you don't use washing powder/liquid. It will just soak them with warm water. Last time I checked Trainz would work without payware.

Driver518
November 11th, 2008, 02:40 PM
:sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

All my routes load and work fine in TS2009
Also had not problems with DLS all content installed and commited


from a Betatester and route creator of Northern Rail & Western Rail

scorpio48
November 11th, 2008, 03:01 PM
Last time I checked Trainz would work without payware.

Exactly. See, you did get the point.

Pete.

pommie
November 12th, 2008, 02:37 AM
I've never come across a game that has more bugs than TRS2006

Then you have not got ETQW then, after installing it needs a 640meg patch so you can play it without it crashing.

I wish people would stop referring to it as a game, it is a simulation, two completely different beasts, a game only has to keep track of maybe 30 or so characters and a few bullets in a very limited environment, where as TRS has to keep track of maybe a couple of hundred items (every wagons physics are calculated separately) keep track of any number of scripts, on a very large map, some of them over 200 boards, is it any wonder the AI goes screwy :eek:


Cheers David

Snowhill
November 12th, 2008, 03:21 AM
While not related to problems with TRS2009 there was some mention of price.. My computer cost 1000 four years ago..... Now I can buy a computer with twice the spec of mine for 250 from PC World.... so before I invest 30 for TRS2009 I have to spend 250 to be able to run it!!!!!

scorpio48
November 12th, 2008, 03:29 AM
Then you have not got ETQW then, after installing it needs a 640meg patch so you can play it without it crashing.

I wish people would stop referring to it as a game, it is a simulation, two completely different beasts, a game only has to keep track of maybe 30 or so characters and a few bullets in a very limited environment, where as TRS has to keep track of maybe a couple of hundred items (every wagons physics are calculated separately) keep track of any number of scripts, on a very large map, some of them over 200 boards, is it any wonder the AI goes screwy :eek:


Cheers David

Hi David,
Very good points, if I may add something.
Like you rightly pointed out, its a simulation. A simulation is 'A simulation of real life'.
If in real life the train driver (Brit term) receives the wrong information, then the whole system gets screwed up.
Of course, no simulation, road, air, sea or train, could truly reflect real life simply because real life is evolving every second of every day, but most of them, including Trainz, has a darn good try.

Cheers
Pete

scorpio48
November 12th, 2008, 03:39 AM
While not related to problems with TRS2009 there was some mention of price.. My computer cost 1000 four years ago..... Now I can buy a computer with twice the spec of mine for 250 from PC World.... so before I invest 30 for TRS2009 I have to spend 250 to be able to run it!!!!!

I don't think this is related at all. The question is:- Would you buy a new computer anyway? Surely, you don't use your computer just for one program. That my friend, would be a waste.

Cheers
Pete.