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chrisracer8903
December 25th, 2006, 07:04 PM
I've been quiet for a while, but not anymore! I am still working on the Pacific Harbor Line, but there are some things I need help with so in the mean time: I am working on the BNSF Seligman Sub. I am modeling the sub from Needles, California to Flagstaff Yard in Flagstaff, Arizona. The route crosses Kingman Canyon, Crozier Canyon, the Crookton Cutoff and thru the Alpines to Flagstaff. I have only been working on the Kingston area this evening and this is what I've done: Kingman Canyon.

Kingman Canyon is a section where the double-track mainline splits where one is at ground-level and the other is in the depth of the canyon floor. the line (going east) reconnects right before downtown Kingman, Arizona.

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/692/bnsfss1qc9.jpg

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/1562/bnsfss2iu7.jpg
A view of the south cliffs of the canyon.
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/9990/bnsfss3gu3.jpg
A BNSF train waits at a red light, going to Needles and we see a good veiw of the north ridge of the canyon.
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4494/bnsfss4wy2.jpg

This route is mostly mainline. There is a few sidings in Seligman and Pica, and there is Flagstaff and Needles Yard, but the rest is mainline thru the great southwest of BNSF and former Santa Fe. -Chris

round_house
December 25th, 2006, 08:14 PM
Amazing looks great Chris:):)

round_house;)

nikos1
December 25th, 2006, 08:51 PM
looks good so far Chris:)

Klinger
December 25th, 2006, 08:54 PM
i think ill be downloading that....

titaniclover
December 25th, 2006, 09:12 PM
it looks like a desert, barin, bleak.....i like it!

TrainMan12
December 25th, 2006, 10:35 PM
Ahh crap! I was gonna suggest one (BNSF Aurora Sub) but since you've already started, no worries. But hey, I like your style- BNSF! And I admire you that you can take on multiple projects at once and still get them finished! Looks great!

grogstop65
December 25th, 2006, 11:02 PM
Looking great!

Flamerail
December 25th, 2006, 11:05 PM
Thats like this one for msts right?
http://www.flamerail.com/public/Trains/MSTS%20Screenies/image006.jpg

I cant wait!

chrisracer8903
December 25th, 2006, 11:07 PM
Thats like this one for msts right?



Yup. I'm modeling the route from Kingman to Flagstaff, Arizona for sure, but I am not sure yet on Needles, California. I may just build a stretch of open area where I will put Needles Yard. To make the route more complete. I will include the yard in Flagstaff. -Chris

TrainMan12
December 25th, 2006, 11:10 PM
Is this single or double track?

chrisracer8903
December 25th, 2006, 11:14 PM
Is this single or double track?

It's 100% double track. Some areas (Like Kingman Canyon on the above pics) split both tracks away from each other for a mile. This is the major connection for BNSF freight and intermodal from Chicago to Los Angeles. -Chris

TrainMan12
December 25th, 2006, 11:20 PM
Just a question as to the real route- why do the tracks split?

chrisracer8903
December 25th, 2006, 11:22 PM
Just a question as to the real route- why do the tracks split?

Probably elevation or geographical reasons. -Chris

TrainMan12
December 25th, 2006, 11:23 PM
Yea but if one track can go there, probably another one can too. Unless there is unit trains such as grain that couldn't make the steep hill and need more gentle route. Anyways, looks great!

chrisracer8903
December 25th, 2006, 11:38 PM
Update! I am now working on the downtown Kingman area! :D -Chris

nikos1
December 26th, 2006, 12:55 AM
Yea but if one track can go there, probably another one can too. Unless there is unit trains such as grain that couldn't make the steep hill and need more gentle route. Anyways, looks great!

basicaly i guess because as you said the long grain train cant go up the steep hill and it would be easier to run in on a flatter track even if it is longer. on the other hand pssenger or piggyback trains can take the steeper route and cut of some time.

TrainMan12
December 26th, 2006, 01:12 AM
Alrighty! Oh Chris, I ask you this question EVERY time, but, well:o; How many boards of actual track is it going to be?

trainzmainiac2006
December 26th, 2006, 01:46 PM
cool! I just got a railfaning video that takes place in the seligman sub, your version looks prety realistic.

john

gotoguy
December 26th, 2006, 07:03 PM
This route in MSTS was the inspiration for my Desert Wood Route. As you know I like desert routes so if you need any assistance let me know. I also downloaded the fishlips DEM but never got started.

boc61
December 26th, 2006, 10:32 PM
Looks good. I was just out there last month, drove from Las Vegas to Phoenix, and passed through Kingman. You have captured it nicely.

trainzmainiac2006
December 26th, 2006, 10:40 PM
Yea but if one track can go there, probably another one can too. Unless there is unit trains such as grain that couldn't make the steep hill and need more gentle route. Anyways, looks great!


From the video, the most common thing shipped are containers.

john

chrisracer8903
December 27th, 2006, 02:19 PM
Time for an update as I am working east to Flagstaff! Still got lots to do! :)

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/3121/bnsf1kg4.jpg
Here's a train coming from Kingman Canyon and is about to pass thru downtown Kingman by the Santa Fe Depot. The Amtrak Southwest Cheif runs on the Seligman Sub and stops at the station. Kingman is also a town next to the Route 66.
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/9915/bnsf2pn7.jpg
Outside of Kingman. Heading twords Williams.
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/7743/bnsf3yc6.jpg
The open stretch as you see Williams in the distance.
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/5861/bnsf4oe0.jpg
Here's the train passing the curve at Hackberry and a meet with an intermodal heading to Los Angeles.
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/9509/bnsf5db2.jpg
Crossing Crozier Road
http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/923/bnsf6ew5.jpg
Heading twords Crozier Canyon.
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/8838/bnsf7zy5.jpg
Here's a ruined house that is from the 1800's and is still there today. It's a landmark by the state of Arizona (True fact!).

Tomarrow: Crozier Canyon! -Chris

trainzmainiac2006
December 27th, 2006, 02:31 PM
Wow! your doing a great job! cant wait to shoot a video on this one!!!

john

TrainMan12
December 27th, 2006, 02:53 PM
Any grades? The ol' Dynamic brake lever is getting dusty hehe;)

Oh and how long will it be?

chrisracer8903
December 27th, 2006, 11:34 PM
Any grades? The ol' Dynamic brake lever is getting dusty hehe;)

Oh and how long will it be?

There's grades. One is in the Williams area and one huge hill near Seligman. -Chris

TrainMan12
December 27th, 2006, 11:45 PM
Cool! I'll get to hear the C44s roar again!

buddhaben
December 28th, 2006, 12:49 PM
I've been quiet for a while, but not anymore! I am still working on the Pacific Harbor Line, but there are some things I need help with so in the mean time: I am working on the BNSF Seligman Sub. I am modeling the sub from Needles, California to Flagstaff Yard in Flagstaff, Arizona. The route crosses Kingman Canyon, Crozier Canyon, the Crookton Cutoff and thru the Alpines to Flagstaff. I have only been working on the Kingston area this evening and this is what I've done: Kingman Canyon.

Kingman Canyon is a section where the double-track mainline splits where one is at ground-level and the other is in the depth of the canyon floor. the line (going east) reconnects right before downtown Kingman, Arizona.




A view of the south cliffs of the canyon.

A BNSF train waits at a red light, going to Needles and we see a good veiw of the north ridge of the canyon.
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4494/bnsfss4wy2.jpg

This route is mostly mainline. There is a few sidings in Seligman and Pica, and there is Flagstaff and Needles Yard, but the rest is mainline thru the great southwest of BNSF and former Santa Fe. -Chris

Did you make that Crossbuck? Just asking.

chrisracer8903
December 28th, 2006, 12:54 PM
Did you make that Crossbuck? Just asking.

No. Comzmo made those. They will soon be at USTrainz. -Chris

TrainMan12
December 28th, 2006, 02:53 PM
Yes, I know they whine. I haven't heard one in real life but I have many videos and it's easy to pick the sound up and tell that they're in breaking. Dynamic brakes do NOTHING in Trainz.

TrainMan12
December 28th, 2006, 03:25 PM
yes, you will get yo hear the C44's roar, but thats the uphill climb. the downhill drop is using your guts and the trainbrake. the dynamic brake creates a whine, not a roar. i know this for fact, as i have been in an actual loco cab and heard the dynamic brakes working.

They don't always whine, on a cabride video the DBs were on N7 on an SD40-2 and I couldn't hear a thing.

nikos1
December 28th, 2006, 04:21 PM
ok lets just say all 3 off you are noobs and that dynamic breaks sometimes whine and sometimes roar. :D

buddhaben
December 28th, 2006, 05:41 PM
No. Comzmo made those. They will soon be at USTrainz. -Chris

Thanks! Seriously.

campbell5149
December 28th, 2006, 05:44 PM
ok lets just say all 3 off you are noobs and that dynamic breaks sometimes whine and sometimes roar. :Dok then.;)

titaniclover
December 28th, 2006, 11:29 PM
looks good so far i cant wait for it to come out.

trainzmainiac2006
January 19th, 2007, 07:40 PM
Any updates?

John

chrisracer8903
January 19th, 2007, 07:42 PM
Any updates?

John

Not for awhile. I'm working on Surfliner, then back to this route. -Chris

trainzmainiac2006
January 19th, 2007, 07:59 PM
Ok chris, looking foward to it.

John

dnutter
February 13th, 2007, 09:24 PM
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/9990/bnsfss3gu3.jpg
How you find as BNSF Dash 9?

trainzmainiac2006
February 13th, 2007, 09:30 PM
that would be a ac4400cw from www.protrainz.com (http://www.protrainz.com)

John

dnutter
February 13th, 2007, 09:32 PM
In www.Protrainz.com (http://www.Protrainz.com) ok thank ya to trainzmainiac2006





-david

Captain_Collins
July 27th, 2008, 12:35 PM
Sorry to revive an old thread, but do we have an ETA for this route?

Michael_Evans
July 27th, 2008, 12:37 PM
Sorry to revive an old thread, but do we have an ETA for this route?
I thought this route was released at US trainz but because UST is gone you know the rest.

chrisracer8903
July 28th, 2008, 07:39 PM
I got caught-up in other things so it was cancelled.

engine49
July 28th, 2008, 09:15 PM
so this route don't exist to download anymore