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Dep
July 7th, 2008, 01:28 PM
It's been ages since I played Trainz 2004 and I'm reloading it on my comp now. I was wondering about the 2006 version. Is it worth buying? Are there major differences/improvements? Is any of the addon stuff for 2004 useable on 2006? Any advice would be appreciated. :)

Dep

tonyvdb
July 7th, 2008, 01:35 PM
Over all TRS'06 runs a little bit better than '04 and there is allot of content that will not work in '04 that was made in '06. There were some issues in '04 that were fixed but other problems took its place in '06.
I found that CMP in '06 worked most of the time but can be very slow at times and sometimes getting it to get set up to work properly can be frustrating.

The graphics in '06 for me was a bit smother and more detailed.
Just my 2 cents worth.

freightcar2
July 7th, 2008, 01:37 PM
I know nothing about '04, but '06 is one word: FANTASTIC!!! :D

john259
July 7th, 2008, 02:21 PM
Some people find the sound frequently fades or cuts out in TRS2006. Nobody seems to know the precise reason, so there is no certain cure for it. Fitting a sound card helps in some cases but not all.

Opinions are divided regarding CMP, which uses a database system for storing assets instead of TRS2004's kuid folders system.

John

BLACKWATCH
July 7th, 2008, 03:30 PM
I would stick with 04 for the time being, then purchase TRS2009 when it is released, which hopefully will have cured most if not all of the bugs that 06 has.

engine49
July 7th, 2008, 03:38 PM
06 has iportal, and has better detailing then 04.


so u cna play online with friends, and meet new people also.

jost62
July 7th, 2008, 04:20 PM
I am very used to 2004. Then I bought 2006, played around a wile, then deleted it and went back to 2004. Perhaps I am a bit conservative, but I saw no overwhelming plus in 2006. The main reason to go back was the CMP - Content Manager Plus. I like to go into the files, sort them, rework them, make my own items - TrainzObjectz was much easier to me than CMP.
Also sorting (and finding) I found in 2004 more flexible: You could name your own region/origin (i.e. "Old West" or "My own"), and the type/company. One of these options had disappeared in 2006 (can't remember which), which made grouping/finding for me difficult.
Perhaps it depends what you want and how you use Trainz.
Not much help ....:(

Dep
July 7th, 2008, 04:46 PM
Thanks a ton for all the replies!!! I took the chance and bought the "Trainz:The Complete Collections". It includes 2006, 2004, Trainz Routes 1,2,3,4, Ultimate Trainz Collection, and Trainz Paintshed. This isn't a bad deal for me, even though I already own Trainz 2004. Turns out my Trainz 2004 CD-ROM didn't survive too well when I moved from Illinios to New Mexico a couple of years ago. Plus I didn't have Paintshed and the Routes. So that's an added plus. I didn't know a 2009 version is going to be released. Hope they make some major improvements and take their time getting all the bugs out. Oh yeah...I ended up paying $24.48 for the Complete Collections from Amazon. That's a LOT LESS than what I originally paid for Trainz 2004 (as in less than HALF!!!). Thanks again for the replies. You guys are great :Y:

Dep

johnwhelan
July 7th, 2008, 05:04 PM
The latest version of Trainz game engine TC3 is almost out, has a few extra features, a few less bugs etc. Probably worth a look at.

Cheerio John

Dep
July 7th, 2008, 05:14 PM
Thanks John. I'll keep an eye out for it. :)

Smileyman
July 7th, 2008, 05:19 PM
Some people find the sound frequently fades or cuts out in TRS2006. Nobody seems to know the precise reason, so there is no certain cure for it. Fitting a sound card helps in some cases but not all.
John,
Don't want to take this thread off-topic (and I'm not going to mention CMP in TRS2006 :hehe:), but do you know if the sound problem was fixed in Trainz Classics?
I'm probably going to get TC3 at some point, so it would be nice to know that it's fixed.

Having said that, there's no way of knowing if they've broken it again in TC3 really. :D

Smiley.

EDIT: My question was aimed at John259 really, but any John (or otherwise) would do. :)

CasyJ
July 7th, 2008, 05:50 PM
Search the forum for problems relating to both 2004 and 2006, then eliminate the choice that yields the most hits.

Dep
July 7th, 2008, 05:57 PM
Search the forum for problems relating to both 2004 and 2006, then eliminate the choice that yields the most hits.

LOL...I did that and it looked about equal. Popularity between the two seems to lean towards 2004 over 2006. I'll have both so I can compare.

john259
July 8th, 2008, 01:18 AM
I'm sorry, I don't know if the TRS2006 sound bug has been fixed in TC. Perhaps someone else could kindly provide that information?

One other comment regarding TC: it lacks many of the standard Trainz built-in assets but they can be imported from TRS20006.

John

tdstead
July 8th, 2008, 07:14 PM
Now I finaaly got it running right with sp1 I found


They forgot to obsolote all any old content they updated and included in 2006. when you try to download a 2004 layot it downloads the old versions again, so you end up with 2 copys. the only way to fix it is change all the obsolete entry's your self. what a shame

Tom

Dep
July 9th, 2008, 11:03 AM
I actually got my hands on a copy of Trains Classics and tried it out. Other than the passengers getting on the trains, I wasn't very impressed with it. If they made a patch for TRS 2004-2006 that allowed the viewing of passengers boarding trains, I would be a happy camper. But I doubt that that will happen, at least, not from Auran. Perhaps a 3rd party will figure out how to do it. One thing that was real disappointing about TC was the lack of content. TRS2004 had a LOT of content compared to TC (routes, activities, etc). Only thing I really liked was the New Haven stuff.

Dep

BLACKWATCH
July 9th, 2008, 11:33 AM
If they made a patch for TRS 2004 that allowed the viewing of passengers boarding trainsIt's called "Trainz Railway Simulator - Passenger Edition" released by 'Just Trains' :D

johnwhelan
July 9th, 2008, 11:38 AM
I actually got my hands on a copy of Trains Classics and tried it out. Other than the passengers getting on the trains, I wasn't very impressed with it. If they made a patch for TRS 2004-2006 that allowed the viewing of passengers boarding trains, I would be a happy camper. But I doubt that that will happen, at least, not from Auran. Perhaps a 3rd party will figure out how to do it. One thing that was real disappointing about TC was the lack of content. TRS2004 had a LOT of content compared to TC (routes, activities, etc). Only thing I really liked was the New Haven stuff.

Dep

Now copy in the TRS2006 built in content to TC and you have the fantest most stable version of Trainz available.

Cheerio John

Dep
July 9th, 2008, 11:38 AM
It's called "Trainz Railway Simulator - Passenger Edition" released by 'Just Trains' :D

Shows you how long it's been since I used Trainz2004 :D

I upgraded to Service Pack 4 already. Is the patch in SP4??? If so, I'm off to make a passenger run :Y:

john259
July 9th, 2008, 12:40 PM
Is the patch in SP4?
Passengers fade in and out of platforms and IND-compatible passenger carriages, in Star Trek transporter style. They don't actually walk on or off trains. In addition, some passenger carriages have animated opening and closing doors.

John

Dep
July 9th, 2008, 01:45 PM
Passengers fade in and out of platforms and IND-compatible passenger carriages, in Star Trek transporter style. They don't actually walk on or off trains. In addition, some passenger carriages have animated opening and closing doors.

John

Well fooey. I just made a quickie passenger scenario and used a Budd car for my passenger car. Put passengers at the station and sent out my engineer to pick them up. He arrived at the station but....NOTHING. Passengers didn't budge from the station platform. :'(

Is there a post or info somewhere that tells you what cars can be used and which passengers to use and any other details on how to do this?

BLACKWATCH
July 9th, 2008, 05:18 PM
Select "Driver" & load "Banks Heath", this will give you an idea of what goes down.

Dep
July 9th, 2008, 05:44 PM
Yep....did that and it's pretty neat. But my problem now is I don't know WHICH stations/platforms are capable of doing the loading-unloading activity. The ones I have in the route I am using (Wingersheek and Wisscasset) don't seem to work.

Dinorius_Redundicus
July 9th, 2008, 11:48 PM
Just right-click on the station's track and if you get a detailed properties panel (with choices of how many passengers it handles), you know it's an interactive station.

Interactive objects in general are marked by a green tick showing in the object viewing window in Surveyor (at least in '04 and I hope also in later versions).

john259
July 10th, 2008, 01:39 AM
Interactive objects in general are marked by a green tick
And the letters IND.

"Industry" includes passenger services, the passengers being treated as "products" being transported.

There are other industry systems available for Trainz, notably LARS. IND is the built-in Auran system.

John

Dep
July 10th, 2008, 09:02 AM
Dinorius and John: Bingo!!! That did it.
Good grief :(
None of these stations appear to be marked Ind. They are all USA stations. I found the interactive stations and they all seem to be UK. Well that explains why the passengers never get on the trains. Thanks again for your help. I really appreciate it.

Dep

Dep
July 22nd, 2008, 08:14 AM
I've had "Trainz...the Complete Collection" and TRS 2006 on my comp for a couple of weeks. I have mixed feelings about TRS 2006. Some of the new stuff is pretty cool. Like the Marias Pass route and the improved graphics. But overall I do NOT think TRS 2006 is worth the money. A large number of routes are incomplete. I found one route that was available as a complete download for TRS 2004 that is only a fragment in TRS 2006. And there is no way to download the rest of it. The "Complete Collection" isn't very "complete" at all. It appears to be mainly an abbreviated rehash of TRS 2004 with a lot of stuff missing. I have no "stability problems" with TRS 2004, so there was no advantage there. And companies like TrainzProRoutes (the maker of the above-mentioned incomplete route) seem to have taken an anti-TRS 2006 attitude and aren't releasing anything for TRS 2006. What is available for TRS 2006 seems to be very sparse and just rehashes of TRS 2004 stuff. I can sure understand why people installed TRS 2006 and then ended up taking it off their comps. I will fiddle around with the Marias Pass route, but most everything else on TRS 2006 just doesn't obsolete or replace TRS 2004. I suspect I will eventually remove TRS 2006 from my comp like others have done. :(

Dep

Iced8383
July 22nd, 2008, 05:36 PM
okay since i have both ill tell you all about it

04: good. i have plenty of CSX engines for it
the bad:when i lay monorail track, it gives me an error message.

06: good.well. graphics are good. i like the NG stuff. i have spent more time than in 04 in driver.the bad:here we go... CMP is crummy, i have to restart my computer when its going slow.

edge: TRS2006

by a heartbeat

Dep
July 22nd, 2008, 07:32 PM
okay since i have both ill tell you all about it

04: good. i have plenty of CSX engines for it
the bad:when i lay monorail track, it gives me an error message.

06: good.well. graphics are good. i like the NG stuff. i have spent more time than in 04 in driver.the bad:here we go... CMP is crummy, i have to restart my computer when its going slow.

edge: TRS2006

by a heartbeat

2006: doesn't run well at all on my desktop comp. But it's a tad low in RAM. But I dunno if I want to upgrade the RAM just to run 2006. It's big $$$ for my RAM. Also, there seems to be a problem with whistle sounds. VERY quiet. :(

2004: has no problems at all. I use mainly UP or NYC for locos. Good selection of UP available for download (my favorite is the U50C). Graphics are acceptable enough that I can live with 2004 yet.

I tried TC and wasn't impressed at all. No way I'd ever buy it. If there was a Marias Pass route for 2004 for free, I'd delete 2006 today.

Edge for me is 2004. I guess it's kinda hard to repeat something as successful as 2004. I am gonna watch the 2009 release real closely, and if possible, try before I buy.