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Thomas_The_Tank100
April 4th, 2008, 04:29 PM
I'm thing about getting an Alienwere: Area-51 7500 PC (starting at USD $1399.99).
I here many good things about Alienwere, how it is fast and junk-free and all.
I'm not a technical person so I don't understand computer talk and have several questions which are:

How would Trainz fare on it?
What cards and chips should I get?
What sould I expect to spend?
And if anyone has one, any pros or cons about it?The specs can be found here (http://www.alienware.com/product_detail_pages/Area-51_7500/area-51_specs.aspx?SysCode=PC-AREA51-7500-R5&SubCode=SKU-DEFAULT#pdp-nav).
Thank You for your time.
~TTT100~

Gangsta_Boi
April 4th, 2008, 04:46 PM
Well, with Trainz still running on one core & single GPU's, an AlienWare PC is useless.

Unless you plan on gaming with many other, higher spec PCs, it is a waste of money.

Gangsta.

fran1
April 4th, 2008, 05:07 PM
your going to get differing replies to this one.
I'm using P4 3.4 ghz. radeon X1950 pro 512 mb,2 gb ram, onboard sound. the graphics could be improved but apart from that this copes well with trainz.
save your money and upgrade your present machine if it's struggling.
thats my advice.

johnwhelan
April 4th, 2008, 05:23 PM
I'm thing about getting an Alienwere: Area-51 7500 PC (starting at USD $1399.99).
I here many good things about Alienwere, how it is fast and junk-free and all.
I'm not a technical person so I don't understand computer talk and have several questions which are:
How would Trainz fare on it?
What cards and chips should I get?
What sould I expect to spend?
And if anyone has one, any pros or cons about it?The specs can be found here (http://www.alienware.com/product_detail_pages/Area-51_7500/area-51_specs.aspx?SysCode=PC-AREA51-7500-R5&SubCode=SKU-DEFAULT#pdp-nav).
Thank You for your time.
~TTT100~

Just going through and selecting semi reasonable components, not top of the line I hit more $3,000 very quickly.

A Dell XPS 720 with an E6850 processor 3 Gigs of memory, and nVidia GT8800 512 Mb is in the order of just over $2,000 and that should run Trainz quite nicely and probably out perform the $3,000 machine above.

Neither would be my personal choice but the Dell isn't bad and it comes with a warranty although you may have to spend a couple of hours getting rid of the free trial software it comes with.

Cheerio John

steamdrivre
April 4th, 2008, 05:28 PM
Just food for thought... Hewlett Packard bought them out and is running the whole operation, now.
Personally, I like HP, btw. I'm not sure if this is a good thing or bad, though...

If you know a good PC shop, you can have a monster custom built for less then two grand without Vista, ya know?

:)

saintjimmy
April 4th, 2008, 06:52 PM
Just food for thought... Hewlett Packard bought them out and is running the whole operation, now.
Personally, I like HP, btw. I'm not sure if this is a good thing or bad, though...

Actually, Dell bought Alienware out a few years ago, but I like HP, too.

I have to say, if you want a good quality, good priced system, then I would go for the following systems:
A) Dell XPS series (XPS 420, 630, & 720) Link here to Dell XPS: http://www.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/xpsdt_gaming?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
B) Gateway FX Series, and link to them: http://www.gateway.com/systems/series/529598059.php
C) HP high performance systems (not as powerful as above systems, but well worth the money) http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/series_can.do?storeName=computer_store&landing=desktops&a1=Category&v1=Entertainment%20powerhouse

Those would be my choices for a good new computer, that is, if I didn't build my own first!

dreddman
April 4th, 2008, 07:10 PM
Get the parts or get the (Respectable) PC shop to build you one minus Vista......is a lot cheaper and you get exactly what you want sorta like cooking ...To cook a good healthy wholesome meal or get Frozen junk out the fridge and be a "LAZATERIAN" me I'll just have another BEER!!! Thanks

big_b
April 4th, 2008, 08:07 PM
I agree with dreddman here I was looking at those & decided I was better off to build my own.I kept my drives,case etc just replaced mobo cpu & video at less than half the cost of building a new system from scratch.

Dave

JCitron
April 4th, 2008, 08:57 PM
If you want to go the build-it yourself route, check out NewEgg at www.newegg.com (http://www.newegg.com) . They have reasonable prices and a nice selection of components along with user reviews so you which ones are junk and which ones are good buys.

I built my high-end machine last year, which I use for other things besides Trainz, for around $1500.

Intel Duo-2 2.4 ghz
4Gb RAM
1x 250GB hd
Soundblaster Sound.
EVGA 8800GTS 640MB

John

steamdrivre
April 4th, 2008, 10:36 PM
My system is almost identical to John's. I had my built for 1900 and change but added a 24" monitor to bring it up to 2400 and change.
Oh, it has NO Vista either. LOL Mines about 4 months old.

sethmcs
April 4th, 2008, 11:32 PM
I think that is a nice system that would run trainz extremely well. I would opt for 8800 Ultra option if it is within budget.:o

johnwhelan
April 5th, 2008, 07:31 AM
I think that is a nice system that would run trainz extremely well. I would opt for 8800 Ultra option if it is within budget.:o

Now when I read through it it seemed to be a collection of options, the base system without options didn't seem that good for Trainz to me or did I miss something?

Cheerio John

Xcom
April 5th, 2008, 12:08 PM
Take a look at this. http://www.jncs.com/php/sys/index.php?id=sys-as-p5e3-deluxe-wifi
Many options and quality parts.

They only ship to US.

Thomas_The_Tank100
April 5th, 2008, 03:09 PM
Ok, Thanks again for all your help.
Now I'm thinking about getting a Dell XPS 720 with 3GB of Memory and a 720GB hard drive. What OS should I get XP or Vista?
~TTT100~

saintjimmy
April 5th, 2008, 03:48 PM
I would say go with XP for compatibility, or Vista if you want to do future gaming. I have both XP & Vista, and I couldn't be happier!

johnwhelan
April 5th, 2008, 05:28 PM
Ok, Thanks again for all your help.
Now I'm thinking about getting a Dell XPS 720 with 3GB of Memory and a 720GB hard drive. What OS should I get XP or Vista?
~TTT100~

XP has better games performance unless you think in terms of 4 or + gigs of memory and 64 bit Vista. A number of people are running this combination with TC and I'd be hard put to it to choose between the two. Vista 64 bit hasn't got quite such good drivers but on the other hand it's probably the future.

Cheerio John

Thomas_The_Tank100
April 6th, 2008, 04:49 PM
Ok, I think I'm going to get XP as an OS. I already have it on my ancient Dell Dimension 8500 (from about 4 1/2 years ago!) and found it very enjoyable and easy to use.
Again, thanks or all the help.
~TTT100~

Thomas_The_Tank100
April 23rd, 2008, 08:17 PM
It has been 17 days since my last post and I need some help.
The question is "What video card should I get?"
Here are the specs for the computer I am (hopefully) getting;

PROCESSOR: Intel® Core™2 Q6600 Quad-Core (8MB L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB)

OPERATING SYSTEM: Genuine Windows® XP Media Center 2005 Edition with re-installation CD

MEMORY: 3GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz - 4 DIMMs

HARD DRIVE: 640GB Performance RAID 0 (2 x 320GB Seagate SATA 3Gb/s 7200 RPM HDDs)

OPTICAL DRIVE: Dual Drives: 48x Combo + 16x DVD+/-RW w/ dbl layer write capable

MONITOR: No Monitor (as I have an old 15")

VIDEO CARD: nVidia GeForce 8800*

SOUND CARD: Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ XtremeMusic (D) Sound Card

SPEAKERS: Dell A525 30 Watt 2.1 Stereo Speakers with Subwoofer

KEYBOARD: Dell USB Keyboard

MOUSE: Dell Optical USB MouseThe problem with the video card is which is better?
A nVidia GeForce 8800 Ultra 768MB ($800),
A nVidia GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB ($400),
Or a nVidia GeForce 8800 GTS 512MB (Included in the price)?
I really do not want to spend $800 for a Video Card, but I do not want a poor video card.

Thank you for your time.
~TTT100~

GP_38-2
April 23rd, 2008, 09:24 PM
the 8800 GTX is more than enough. The 8800 Ultra is basically a factory overclocked 8800 GTX
not sure what the difference between the stock and aftermarket 8800GTX's are though?

steamdrivre
April 23rd, 2008, 10:05 PM
I believe any 8800 will be a screamer. Mine's an 8800 GTS and I'm happy.

:)

mikemike
May 29th, 2008, 10:05 PM
yes, for sure building your own system is the way to go. building a computer is very easy -- everything's modular and much easier than, say, building a fine cabinet or replacing an alternator. the 8800 GT OC is a card i'm checking out now from best buy, on sale for 200$ and they let you return it within 30 days. newegg i've had very good luck with, with very quick service and good prices.

one thing about the new boards and chips -- the duo-cores -- is that the new boards improve the graphic card's performance.

on thing to do is do the research, check anandtech.com for reviews, and see how involved you want to be with your computer. basically, it's better to save up and get a better cpu, motherboard, graphics card and memory -- ddr2 is really cheap now and everyone should get their full 3Gigs out of XP -- and, yes, not get vista yet -- even the savage marketer at microsoft admitted that vista was still experimental.

a good system is really satisfying, much more so than those piles of empty brew bottles you've emptied -- money is for hardware!!


If you want to go the build-it yourself route, check out NewEgg at www.newegg.com (http://www.newegg.com) . They have reasonable prices and a nice selection of components along with user reviews so you which ones are junk and which ones are good buys.

I built my high-end machine last year, which I use for other things besides Trainz, for around $1500.

Intel Duo-2 2.4 ghz
4Gb RAM
1x 250GB hd
Soundblaster Sound.
EVGA 8800GTS 640MB

John

mikemike
May 29th, 2008, 10:09 PM
it looks like future gaming in DX 10 is going to be a few years and a lot of dorky role playing real time thrilla games, which won't help us at all. it may in fact be that WINE over linux is going to offer us some relief from nagging windows call loops. who knows?


I would say go with XP for compatibility, or Vista if you want to do future gaming. I have both XP & Vista, and I couldn't be happier!

omber
May 30th, 2008, 11:04 AM
... people who say multicore computers for Trainz are useless.. yes you are correct but if someone is upgrading a multicore CPU is the only option - single core CPUs are almost non-existent now..

IF you want to, upgrade the card to 8800 GTX - this is what I have and I can play brand new games at between 40 and 60 FPS at maximum settings.. Trainz being an older games works like lightning. Otherwise seems like a good choice

mikemike
May 30th, 2008, 12:31 PM
yes, i think that's correct. i'm running an 8800 on a single core - p4 3.4 and am showing sometimes 20 FPS, and, as i understand it, the new boards with their new chipset have as much to do with better video than the chip per se, thought the faster chips do increase frame-rate.


... people who say multicore computers for Trainz are useless.. yes you are correct but if someone is upgrading a multicore CPU is the only option - single core CPUs are almost non-existent now..

IF you want to, upgrade the card to 8800 GTX - this is what I have and I can play brand new games at between 40 and 60 FPS at maximum settings.. Trainz being an older games works like lightning. Otherwise seems like a good choice

collinsl
May 31st, 2008, 02:11 AM
Don't forget that PCI-E 2.0 has recently been released, increasing the speed at which the graphics card communicates with the motherboard. However, newer chipsets/CPUs are faster.

omber
May 31st, 2008, 08:05 AM
Don't forget that PCI-E 2.0 has recently been released, increasing the speed at which the graphics card communicates with the motherboard. However, newer chipsets/CPUs are faster.

Have they managed to utilize the bandwidth of PCI-E 1.0 yet? Last I checked that was not the case, if it still is, then there will be no performance gain on PCI-E 2.0

whitepass
May 31st, 2008, 09:48 AM
"No Monitor (as I have an old 15")" ether get a new one or get a lower vid card as the 15" monitor will not support high resolutions.