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paul502
January 20th, 2008, 04:37 AM
Apart from this forum site i can't access any auran site , has Auran bit the dust ? If this is true we should all back up our downloads NOW . Someone somewere will have copy's of items off the DLS If we get organised we can keep all this content, & keep trainz alive with new pay & freeware sites...:(

SVAndrei
January 20th, 2008, 04:46 AM
Seems to be working fine for me. The DLS, FTP, everything is up & running.

zatovisualworks
January 20th, 2008, 05:42 AM
Gone? Where? Off-work along the weekend? Of course they were! Please calm down, the DS is working fine now.

What you are proposing is not that easy. All the contents at the DS have original owners.

Alberte :wave:

pottersfan
January 20th, 2008, 05:58 AM
Working fine again (DLS and website) ... first time in two days.

And it is still Sunday ... even in Brisbane.

Backing things up ... If you are a Content-Creator it would make a bit of sense to make sure you have (local) copies of the things you have on DLS (just in case)

:)

pf

paul502
January 20th, 2008, 06:07 AM
I know it wont be easy thats why i said we should get organised. I think the best way for trainz to go is for regional downloads (uk, usa, aus, etc). some content will be lost due, to lost interest or in fighting, but most can be saved. Am sure many trainzers are sick of the up & down, in & out of the auran & dls websites.

Zwabberaar
January 20th, 2008, 06:14 AM
I am actually more sick and tired about all those doomsday topics which sprout the moment somebody is experiencing a DLS hiccup. My ignore list is growing rapidly because of it. :hehe:

zatovisualworks
January 20th, 2008, 06:26 AM
My dear Paul,

I (and many other contributors to the DS, who are not complaining) are not sick of anything, I can assure you.

Of course we have other sources and hosting solutions (many of them our own sites which you should visit from time to time ;)). I don't think creators should need to back up anything at all. (:hehe: Yes, I need to back up my mind to find where all of them are stored at my discs :hehe: )

No doomsday is announced at the news media today. Going back to sleep. :hehe:

Have a nice Sunday,

Alberte :wave:

paul502
January 20th, 2008, 07:01 AM
It would be interesting to know just how many trainz users, or potential users Auran have allready lost with the up/down joke the DLS is. Let's not forget the many at Auran that lost job's at christmas, due to the greed of managerment, trying to become millionaire's with ''Fury''

pommie
January 20th, 2008, 07:07 AM
It would be interesting to know just how many trainz users, or potential users Auran have allready lost with the up/down joke the DLS is. Let's not forget the many at Auran that lost job's at christmas, due to the greed of managerment, trying to become millionaire's with ''Fury''

If Auran were not trying to make as much money as they can, you would not be playing TRS, think about it.

Cheers David

SVAndrei
January 20th, 2008, 07:12 AM
You know what would happen if the DLS would be attacked by pink alligators? All the content... GONE!!! :D:D:D Let's do something!!

Sorry, had to get this out of my system.

Seriously. Servers are machines. They do fail. Power outage, hight bandwidth usage, and so on. I really theese threads. "Oh noes!! i cannot connect to the DLS this instant! Auran went bankrupt!! No more content!!! Oh Noes!!!". Really, people.... :n:

paul502
January 20th, 2008, 07:28 AM
Nothing wrong in making money its how the world works, but there has to be limits ,Auran got it wrong with ''Fury'' .Greed was there downfall, should have stayed with what they did best, & all those people would still have job's . As for doomsday posts , they will stop when we have a better download site or sites, I would be happy to pay double for relibable downloads whoever host's them

Vern
January 20th, 2008, 08:07 AM
Well I haven't had any problems with the DLS (using CMP) whenever I've connected over the last few days.

However I can see where the OP and others who have posted in similar vein are getting their concerns from. Trainz and in particular CMP relies almost entirely on the whole idea of DLS as a central repository for dependencies in a route. It would be easier said than done to round up all the items needed for a third party route via indie sites even if you knew where to obtain them.

One solution would be a procedural option in Content Dispatcher so that it includes all assets which are not default as well as the author's own in the route cdp. This would allow the complete route to be hosted on any train sim server (UKTS, T-S.com) without anyone downloading worrying about missing assets. There might be some duplication, i.e. the item is already in your Trainz setup but better than missing out.

Whether such a change is feasible or whether there's any money in the TRS budget to make such a change is another matter. And not forgetting it was Auran themselves who, in better times, discouraged third party hosting of Trainz stuff as they saw logging into the DLS and the KUID system etc. an effective measure against piracy. Nice idea at the time, but with hindsight...

As I say, this is all hopefully smoke and mirrors and the DLS will be available for the foreseeable future. However no one knows what lies around the corner and some contingency planning doesn't hurt - unless we want to end up building routes that only use default or our own content.

CasyJ
January 20th, 2008, 08:27 AM
FTP is the most reliable thus far, so I suggest that everyone not knowledgeable about it learn how to use it.

AHSAN
January 20th, 2008, 08:44 AM
Hello

Planet Auran, Auran main site, DLS, 04, 06 and TC websites are all working fine here.:D

Give Auran a break it's their weekend in Brisbane:) and everyone knows it happens on weekends, DLS goes for a bumpy ride and paul just need to be patient.

Regards

Ahsan:)
North American Trainz Team (http://www.freewebs.com/northamericantrainz/index.htm)

Edit: Spelling

paulhobbs
January 20th, 2008, 09:34 AM
Auran got it wrong with ''Fury'' .Greed was there downfall, should have stayed with what they did best, & all those people would still have job's .
This is just plain daft. All those people had jobs because of Fury and it was always the case that when it was finished they'd be out of a job. That's how the world works.

Paul

zatovisualworks
January 20th, 2008, 09:34 AM
unless we want to end up building routes that only use default or our own content.

Hi, Vern.

Not to that extend, IMHO. Given that moment (which I don't foresee at this time and circumstances), the only change required would be an open-minded attitude among creators allowing to change the trainzetiquette so as to make possible distribute routes and third party contents altogether in a .cdp.

But I insist on not having read any doomsday announced on my local paper. I trust them. :hehe:

Alberte :wave:

Mike10
January 20th, 2008, 10:06 AM
One solution would be a procedural option in Content Dispatcher so that it includes all assets which are not default as well as the author's own in the route cdp. This would allow the complete route to be hosted on any train sim server (UKTS, T-S.com) without anyone downloading worrying about missing assets. There might be some duplication, i.e. the item is already in your Trainz setup but better than missing out.

This is what an archive does in CMP.

It doesn't get the required permissions for hosting the content though unfortunately ;)

Mike.

zatovisualworks
January 20th, 2008, 10:10 AM
It doesn't get the required permissions for hosting the content though unfortunately ;)


:hehe: In TRS 2525 it will do, Mike. ;)

Alberte :wave:

paul502
January 20th, 2008, 10:55 AM
However no one knows what lies around the corner and some contingency planning doesn't hurt - unless we want to end up building routes that only use default or our own content. As Vern says contingency can't hurt .At last someone with sense . we have to make plans now, we don't know what will happen to auran in the next few months. If nothing is done all that content,& hard work etc could be lost .Is that what we want ??

NICKEL
January 20th, 2008, 11:14 AM
Trainz content is archived all over the world in many locations. I personally have 12279 items including default content on my PC. Now there are quite a few more people that have much more than me. Sounds like even if Auran disappeared tomorrow ( highly doubt that and I am not trying to start a rumour ) that all content on the DLS is somewhere if not in many locations.

Trainz will be here for quite a while with or without Auran.

Vern
January 20th, 2008, 01:12 PM
Yes but unfortunately not everyone might have the same 12279 items, which is where the problem will arise.

Good to see Mike's comment that CMP already contains this facility - but of course as he says you then come back to the tricky issue that not all the content creators might want their work including or have an aversion to a route being hosted on a particular site. Not really an issue where the DLS is concerned as the "home" of Trainz - let's just hope it stays that way!

slave-driver
January 20th, 2008, 01:29 PM
Why is it that every panicky Pete and excitable Elizabeth has to start a thread screaming "The sky is falling" like a bunch of chicken littles. Auran has been having problems for the last couple weeks with the server that hosts the DLS. So until Auran themselves announce they are shutting down the DLS it is advisable to just remain calm and be patient. No use running around screaming "the DLS is at it's end" just because you can't access it this instant.

As for a contingency plan, that's up to the creators. Some have moved on and can't be reached or don't want anything to do with Auran and Trainz. Others like me are just waiting to see what actually happens to Auran before we go through the effort of putting our content on another site. Some have already done so or have their content on more than one site to begin with.

Now about the ones that lost their jobs. It's unfortunate that it happened but evidently you don't understand large corporations or even small businesses. Every time a business develops a new product their is never any guarantee the they will be able to sell their product. There is always the potential but there is never any guarantees even if it looks like there is a market for that item. Every time a corporation decides to expands or comes out with a new product it taking a calculated risk. Sometimes they succeed. Some times they fail. That's big business. It just happened to be Aurans time to miss calculate. The potential was their but it just didn't work as well as was needed. All this is doing is rehashing what's already been said for the last month since this all started last December. Time to move on. AGAIN.

Bill

Zwabberaar
January 20th, 2008, 02:32 PM
Why is it that every panicky Pete and excitable Elizabeth has to start a thread screaming "The sky is falling" like a bunch of chicken littles.

Bill


Just do as I do Bill. Everybody who starts a "DLS is down; the sky is falling" topic ends up on the ignore list. If all others do as well perhaps we get rid of them. :D

zatovisualworks
January 20th, 2008, 02:35 PM
:hehe: Another one to add to your list :hehe: --> http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?t=21487

Let's be patient! That's life alike out there! ;)

Alberte :wave:

slave-driver
January 20th, 2008, 02:36 PM
That's a great thought but in reality we both know it's wishful thinking.;)

Bill

Zwabberaar
January 20th, 2008, 02:38 PM
That's a great thought but in reality we both know it's wishful thinking.;)

Bill

I can always dream, can't I? ;)

I also put mosquitoes on the ignore list. They are the ones that roam around the entire forums and post in every single topic. I hate mosquitoes! :hehe:

slave-driver
January 20th, 2008, 02:39 PM
:hehe: Another one to add to your list :hehe: --> http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?t=21487

Let's be patient! That's life alike out there! ;)

Alberte :wave:
This is really unbelievable. Perhaps some have forgotten how to read the titles of other threads.:hehe:

Bill

Zwabberaar
January 20th, 2008, 02:46 PM
:hehe: Another one to add to your list :hehe: --> http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?t=21487

Let's be patient! That's life alike out there! ;)

Alberte :wave:

Nailed him!! Or her. :hehe: