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beavi501
January 13th, 2008, 02:01 PM
Hi, it is very sad what is happening at Auran at the moment. I sincerly hope that trainz can survive this. I personally have not got a first class ticket but we should all stick together regardless of this to try to keep the trainz community alive. I am sure aidan and his colleagues are doing their best to get things functioning again. We need to give them our full support and do everything we can to help.
Regards,
Richard

paul502
January 14th, 2008, 03:01 AM
My thoughts as well . Sadly many on here don't give a toss about auran or its problems. They are after all they can get. If auran & the download sta do close they will be like rats on a sinking ship. I will stick with trainz whatever happens & support any pay or free download site that will emerge should the worst happen.

Padster
January 14th, 2008, 10:43 AM
I fear that all this talk of problems at Auran will cause the DLS to go down again very shortly. If people get the idea that the Download Station is about to close permanently, then they will all be downloading as much content as possible, which in turn will overload the system again.

Trainz will survive if we can all try and use a bit of self-restraint. I can understand newbies wanting to d/l as much as possible, rather like kids in a candy store, but surely us long-standing Trainzers (or should that be long-sitting?:hehe: ) have enough content to be content with?

Best wishes,
Padster

hyper_kameo
January 14th, 2008, 11:08 AM
Why not do an online version of trainz?...

Similar to World of War Craft... have us pay for membership to access
routes,
citys,
tracks,
have objectives
drive this tram
drive that train here do this do that...

Put us though learning drives to become a driver and take control of trains and trams with in a world of city's and county side..

Stopping to collect people, following signals etc....
Picture the tram/train in front of the one your driving has someone else from say (france) and turning left from that street/siding over there is from (australia)


NOW THAT IS A GREAT THING TO LOOK OUT FOR :):hehe:

leeferr
January 14th, 2008, 11:30 AM
I agree. If I didn't still support Auran and Trainz, I wouldn't still be uploading content to the DLS. If everyone would just stay calm and not be so impatient when the DLS goes down, we'll all survive these moments of uncertainty.

stever1_99
January 14th, 2008, 02:06 PM
Lot good the product is if you can't get it to work.

transitguard
January 14th, 2008, 03:40 PM
Stever1_99 - Please don't be so negative. Enjoy the day! It's monday, Hooray!:hehe:

interlog
January 14th, 2008, 04:33 PM
I just re-installed Trainz 2004 after a long period of giving the software a rest.

Trying to download content is an absolute nightmare at the moment. The download helper will not connect to the server at all.

Is this a little of a vicious circle though. New users will give up with the software if they can't download content. They will not recommend the software to others which results in no new users.

A spiralling way downwards if you ask me.

Mark :)

rjhowie1
January 14th, 2008, 05:04 PM
There does seem to be a tendency here for some to go into doomsday scenarios any time the DLS goes down. A wee bit more patience please. Keep the driver's hat on and don't rush to the sack cloth and ashes it doesn't suit railway dress!

Zwabberaar
January 14th, 2008, 05:17 PM
Since this morning ( CET ) the DLS is accessible straight by ftp, CMP or download helper. The only problem I noticed is that the items uploaded last are corrupt and need to be re-uploaded.
Before people start screaming and kicking about the DLS being broken they should first check their own end of the line. :wave:

CasyJ
January 14th, 2008, 05:24 PM
This seems correct. Some of the downloads I've attempted from DLS failed in mid-transfer. In checking the FTP for the failed files, I discovered that some of the KUIDs contained in the download package were missing from the FTP directory, even though they were listed in the DLS. I would suggest using FTP only for your downloads and forget about DLH for the time being until the databases are cleaned up.

Apogee10
January 14th, 2008, 05:31 PM
There are tens of thousands of 3rd party assets on the DLS. There is probably no $ value that can be assigned to these assets. We should do all that we can to support Auran to keep the DLS operating. So I have the following questions.

What can we do to support Auran and the DLS?

Would Trainzers be willing to pay (say $10/year) to support the DLS? I would and we already are willing to pay for FCT.

Earl

CasyJ
January 14th, 2008, 07:08 PM
A noble thought, but how many people actually want to support a corporation? Donations would be wasteful if the customer base is shrinking and profits fall below the breakeven point. They are solely responsible for their success and continuance and for the efficiency of their staff, advertisers, quality control and marketing. As customers, about the only way we can support Auran is to keep buying it's products, which is the only reason a company exists.

CasyJ
January 14th, 2008, 07:40 PM
Lot good the product is if you can't get it to work.

So, explain what doesn't work instead of leaving obscure calls for help. We are not mind readers here.

deeelare
January 14th, 2008, 09:01 PM
CaseyJ,

Not to be disrespectful, but you have a demeanor that reminds me of another member that recently left ?

CasyJ
January 14th, 2008, 09:27 PM
CaseyJ,

Not to be disrespectful, but you have a demeanor that reminds me of another member that recently left ?

None taken, but this person wrote one message asking if his problem had been fixed without stating the problem, and now he's complaining that the products don't work. I have little patience with this sort of behavior.

Please refer to THIS (http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?t=21200) thread.
Actually, I thought I was being quite tactful.;)

transitguard
January 14th, 2008, 09:30 PM
I agree that it is very annoying when people complain that no one is helping them without stating their problem. It can't be fixed if we don't know whats wrong.:confused:

Johnda1237
January 14th, 2008, 09:35 PM
Folks,

Can we ALL try to get through this without the bickering? We all have a problem here:

The best train simulation program's company is in serious trouble. While we can struggle along using the program in our own home without outside contact, there is a wealth of information from other members of the community and thousands of custom items at the Download Station.

If we lose the forum and lose the Download Station it will be a major blow to all of us. So, why don't we all just pull together. When someone writes in asking for the helpdesk, perhaps if we know the answer we can try and take the time to answer the question without sarcasm. We can also stop the grumbling, which is not going to help. I've been using Trainz since the first day it came out and I am not about to abandon ship until I feel the water cover my shoes.

Finally, an advertisement. There is a free online magazine that has numerous articles about virtual railroading and has many Trainz related items. If you haven't visited it before, I suggest you drop in, especially if you are new to Trainz. The magazine is Virtual Railroader:

www.virtualrailroader.com

It just might have the information you are looking for.

CasyJ
January 14th, 2008, 09:49 PM
We can survive without both the forum and the DLS. These are only meeting places and central download points which can be replaced by content developer's web sites and their own forums and downloads. The only thing we would lose in the event of a complete company breakdown is future updates and customer support. In many cases where a software product went 'abandonware', it was picked up by third party programmers and developers writing their own additions and enhancements, Half Life is a good example. A company may die, but it's products live forever.

Glnwf
January 17th, 2008, 01:43 AM
So, explain what doesn't work instead of leaving obscure calls for help. We are not mind readers here.
Ok this is my 1st attempt at downloading something from the Download cart and it must be simple but I can't figure it out. Please instruct me how to download it onto my PC/trainz2006?

narrowgauge
January 17th, 2008, 03:12 AM
I support the comment by Apogee about contributing to the cost of the DLS and, I suggest, this forum as well. These two items are a non-profit-making expense that Auran could decide they didn't want to carry, if either stopped it would not reduce their sales, but it would reduce our enjoyment.

CasyJ, you are wrong, it could be argued that provision of the DLS and the forum is a product being supplied by Auran and as such there is no reason why it should not be paid for. Auran are not legally bound to provide either facility.

We tend to forget that bandwidth has a cost and replacing the DLS if it closes would cost someone a substantial sum, to which we would have to contribute, much better to contribute to Auran to help maintain what we have at the moment.

There are still many members who want something for nothing, we bought a program to use, we did not buy access to over 90,000 third party assets or the use of this forum.

Cheers

Narrowgauge

Euphod
January 17th, 2008, 03:47 AM
Not to be disrespectful, but you have a demeanor that reminds me of another member that recently left ?

After seven years on these forums I have finally found a use for the "ignore list". Others have tried and failed, but this is "Oh so sublime...."

Perhaps you should join me deeelare, it's like a mosquito busily buzzing away, just out of earshot!

Magnificent!

Ed:D

Zwabberaar
January 17th, 2008, 06:28 AM
After seven years on these forums I have finally found a use for the "ignore list". Others have tried and failed, but this is "Oh so sublime...."

Perhaps you should join me deeelare, it's like a mosquito busily buzzing away, just out of earshot!

Magnificent!

Ed:D

Now that is an idea I hadn't thought of before. Does the "ignore" list filter all posts made by that individual? If so, then I am in heaven. The last week I had to take far too many drinks to stay relaxed while browsing the forums here.

Euphod
January 17th, 2008, 06:34 AM
Now that is an idea I hadn't thought of before. Does the "ignore" list filter all posts made by that individual?

Indeed it does, and your blood pressure drops accordingly.
Ed;)

CasyJ
January 17th, 2008, 07:49 AM
Yes, a handy feature, but when someone quotes the filtered person's entire message in a reply, it sort of defeats the purpose.

Zwabberaar
January 17th, 2008, 08:10 AM
Indeed it does, and your blood pressure drops accordingly.
Ed;)

Just tried and checked. Works like a charm. Thanks Ed.

deeelare
January 17th, 2008, 08:31 PM
Yes, a handy feature, but when someone quotes the filtered person's entire message in a reply, it sort of defeats the purpose.

I have learned two things today:
1- from Euphod, use the ignore list ---
2- from CaseyJ, do not quote your entire message in a reply ---

Tomorrow will be a better day for me on the Forum ---DLR

narrowgauge
January 17th, 2008, 11:55 PM
Guys

This may be off-topic but in a twisted way it is about one of the topics being discussed

I have concerns about this business of using the ignore list. In a way it is chickening out on telling the person how they are coming over on the forum. With this system, it becomes very much like a clique that ostracises someone without telling them why. In this case, it is probably worse, as the person does not know it is happening, and can't know that he should modify his approach.

If that course of action has no effect then back to the Ignore list.

Of course if it me that is being ignored, you will never read this. Ho hum!

Cheers

Narrowgauge

Euphod
January 18th, 2008, 12:36 AM
In a way it is chickening out on telling the person how they are coming over on the forum.

I think it's guaranteed that you're not going to like everyone, and everyone's not going to like you. To "tell the person how they are coming over" is just not always feasible. We can suggest using a spell checker, or advise one not to type in all caps, or even express our distaste for "leak speak" (as in....hey buddy, your brain seems to be leaking out of your ears, is that why you are typing nonsensically?), but sometimes it's obvious you just aren't going to get along. Now if it were a neighbor, or someone I worked with, or dealt with frequently, then perhaps the right thing to do is to invest the time and effort to try to gain a better relationship. Here, however, if I find a person annoys me frequently, why should I waste my time? Why would they care what I think they are like? I don't care what others think of me, and I'm sure I'm on many ignore lists myself.

I feel that the ignore list can be used to great advantage if you find yourself feeling aggravated by someone else's posts. You aren't tempted to respond to what you can't read, and the forum becomes a gentler place, full of ponies and butterflies, and rainbows and flowers.....

Besides, it's a great irony to me, to know after all this typing most of you just are just reading "This message is hidden because Euphod is on your ignore list (http://forums.auran.com/trainz/profile.php?do=editlist)."

Ed:hehe:

Hello.....hello? Is this thing on?

narrowgauge
January 18th, 2008, 12:54 AM
Ed, can't hear you, are you there?

Darn ear trumpet!

In case you said what I think you said, let's leave it as it is.

Cheers

Peter

Euphod
January 18th, 2008, 01:14 AM
What?:eek:
Ed "I am Legend"

leeferr
January 18th, 2008, 01:21 AM
Ed
I just love getting my nightly chuckle with one of your posts. I had to get up off the floor though before I could type this. Of course, if I'm on your ignore list, I guess I'll just laugh to myself...Is laughing to myself anthing like talking to myself:hehe:

Zwabberaar
January 18th, 2008, 05:45 AM
Ed
...Is laughing to myself anything like talking to myself:hehe:

It depends on who replies :p

ex-railwayman
January 18th, 2008, 10:03 AM
You guys crack me up with your witicism, and I can safely and honestly say that none of you are on my ignore list, you are what makes this forum so special, as well as playing the game of course.....

Cheerz. ex-railwayman. :D

CasyJ
January 18th, 2008, 11:42 AM
Guys

This may be off-topic but in a twisted way it is about one of the topics being discussed

I have concerns about this business of using the ignore list. In a way it is chickening out on telling the person how they are coming over on the forum. With this system, it becomes very much like a clique that ostracises someone without telling them why. In this case, it is probably worse, as the person does not know it is happening, and can't know that he should modify his approach.

If that course of action has no effect then back to the Ignore list.

Of course if it me that is being ignored, you will never read this. Ho hum!

Cheers

Narrowgauge

It's really an escape from irritation, if one's sensibilities are easily offended. It also avoids the necessity of confrontation if one has no valid argument against the alleged offender.

Glenethson
January 18th, 2008, 01:16 PM
I agree that we must support trainz and the other problems that occur.
we can't critise them for all the things that are going wrong.
this is dark times for trainz..........