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alantaylor61
April 26th, 2018, 09:53 AM
Sir's i am disgusted by the lack of British content on the download station and the amount of rubbish you allow to be put on there this is an insult to real train builders having been a fan for many years and the amount of first class tickets i have brought I now intend to leave and not support Trainz any more. You Sir are taking money under false pretences

MF01
April 26th, 2018, 09:59 AM
I agree with you there is a lack of british content but thank God I discovered a website where you can find a lot of british content:

CLICK HERE (https://www.blender.org/download/)

edh6
April 26th, 2018, 10:12 AM
There are literally thousands of items of British content available. I wouldn't call that a lack myself...

KotangaGirl
April 26th, 2018, 10:13 AM
You can't be serious. I model the grouping transition period and my hard drive is groaning with the amount of locomotives and rolling stock I've stuffed into it from the Download Station.

MF01
April 26th, 2018, 10:22 AM
There are literally thousands of items of British content available. I wouldn't call that a lack myself...

He might be blind who knows

johnwhelan
April 26th, 2018, 10:33 AM
Which period are you after? We can probably point you in the general direction of content.

Cheerio John

martinvk
April 26th, 2018, 02:17 PM
Sir's i am disgusted a tad over the top?
by the lack of British content on the download station and the amount of rubbish you allow to be put on there this is an insult to real train builders having been a fan for many years and the amount of first class tickets i have brought I now intend to leave and not support Trainz any more. You Sir are taking money under false pretencesAs others have mentioned, there is plenty of British content if you look. As for rubbish, I suppose that is in the eye of the beholder. To bad the DLS is not up to your standards. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Matt3985
April 26th, 2018, 02:47 PM
Plus by content, I don’t know if he meant by either routes or by content. If it’s for routes, okay then, are you looking for Steam, Diesel or Electric, era routes. If he was looking for steam era routes I could sort of understand him as there are not many good quality UK routes that are set in the steam era. But for routes set in the Diesel and Electric Era there is a lot to choose from (including a built in route). As for content, I think he needs to re-check the DLS, as there is a lot of British content available.

clam1952
April 26th, 2018, 03:06 PM
Goodbye then...........

simtrain
April 26th, 2018, 03:19 PM
I agree with you there is a lack of british content but thank God I discovered a website where you can find a lot of british content:

CLICK HERE (https://www.blender.org/download/)

Love the link 😂😂😂

meatloaf747
April 26th, 2018, 07:41 PM
Sir's i am disgusted by the lack of British content on the download station and the amount of rubbish you allow to be put on there this is an insult to real train builders having been a fan for many years and the amount of first class tickets i have brought I now intend to leave and not support Trainz any more. You Sir are taking money under false pretences

Disagree with you on your first point; There's plenty of UK content on the DLS (and third party sites). What version of Trainz are you running? Hopefully some UK fans can post some good links to UK sites for you to download third party UK content.

Second point; I strongly agree with you. There's just far to much rubbish being put on the DLS, obviously by pre-teens. The problem is who decides whether or not it is good enough for the DLS. Where's the line drawn. Who make the decision as to whether or not it's good enough. Who polices it? I'm just not to sure what the answer is there!!!

Disagree with you on your third point. Nobody is forcing you to buy any N3V products. Do some due-diligent's before you make any further Trainz purchasing decisions.

Cheers, Mac...

davesnow
April 26th, 2018, 07:44 PM
I agree with you there is a lack of british content but thank God I discovered a website where you can find a lot of british content:

CLICK HERE (https://www.blender.org/download/)




Would you mind changing your Sig please? Quite annoying...

MF01
April 26th, 2018, 08:05 PM
Why is it annoying ? It's just a GIF...

MF01
April 26th, 2018, 08:17 PM
While I'm at it, MF01, I personally find your Hobbit nodding avatar/picture/signature irritating. I'm close to putting you on my ignore list... (Can someone please remind me which side of the bed to get out off in the morning, as I may have gotten out of the wrong side)? [/I]:hehe:

Cheers, Mac...

Go ahead, you can put me on your "ignore list" :wave:

KotangaGirl
April 26th, 2018, 08:55 PM
Second point; I strongly agree with you. There's just far to much rubbish being put on the DLS, obviously by pre-teens. The problem is who decides whether or not it is good enough for the DLS. Where's the line drawn. Who make the decision as to whether or not it's good enough. Who polices it? I'm just not to sure what the answer is there!!!

Before I download anything I look at the thumbnail picture and if it looks to be on the naff side I don't download it. Simple really. What does annoy me though is folk who don't provide a proper thumbnail picture and don't give any description of what their model/route/session/etc actually is.

By the way I liked your Gandalf animated picture MF01

MF01
April 26th, 2018, 09:01 PM
By the way I liked your Gandalf animated picture MF01

Thanks but what do you want, some people aren't familiar with GIF... ( It's not a hobbit meatloaf... )

wayneshorter1965
April 26th, 2018, 09:10 PM
Thanks but what do you want, some people aren't familiar with GIF... ( It's not a hobbit meatloaf... ) is it Moses?

MF01
April 26th, 2018, 09:19 PM
Hahahahaha nope man, I know it's a bit confusing because he has a baton ( like Moses ) but it's Gandalf ( the Grey here )

hiawathamr
April 26th, 2018, 10:55 PM
There is UK content on the DLS, and I'm having a fun time as I'm creating a UK model railway route, which requires tons of UK content. If you know the item name / author to search, it helps a lot.

There are even some on 3rd party sites..



Anyway, don't let the door hit you while exiting:o

pware
April 27th, 2018, 12:31 AM
The problem is who decides whether or not it is good enough for the DLS. Where's the line drawn. Who make the decision as to whether or not it's good enough. Who polices it? I'm just not to sure what the answer is there!!!

And that has always been the problem. The only criteria that an upload to the DLS must meet are that it must not violate copyright and must not be offensive ("Lamppost Linda" was an approved upload because the "offense" was in the mind of a few beholders;)).

One man's DLS "treasure" can be anothers "junk". Who decides? Are Alcos better than Baldwins? Are British locos second rate compared to American? Who can judge the "worth" of a layout - I still cringe with embarrassment when I look at my first DLS layouts but I think I have got better since (some may disagree).

Should the right to upload to the DLS only be given to a privileged few who meet some arbitrary "standard"?

Kennilworth
April 27th, 2018, 02:42 AM
Hi

The OP has form for this before. A few years ago he said he was leaving because some Mars assets appeared on the DLS, but he's still here. He appears to be one of those people who are only happy when they're unhappy.

There's tens of thousands of assets on the DLS that are of no interest to me but the solution is simple. I don't download them.

Regards

Brian

Tony_Hilliam
April 27th, 2018, 02:53 AM
OP, please feel free to contact any British content creators you can find and berate them for their lack of output.

Our position as a company precludes us from using a big stick to force people into making content and releasing it for free, but you, as an individual may have more success.

I would suggest asking them very nicely to begin with as that may have good results.

But as other's have said, there are many thousands of UK items available. Perhaps your search terms are too specific and not producing any results? Try typing in 'BR Class' in Content Manager and it shows 2250 items. That's a good place to start.

Vern
April 27th, 2018, 05:07 AM
Having just uploaded a slightly freelanced Tasmania route, I'm looking at another British project but it will only be an upscaled version of a miniature railway as I quite like doing those. Gives intensive operation in a small area. Whether a route is fit for the DLS is quite subjective. I would hope mine are and would take on any constructive feedback and also now am quite happy for anyone who feels they can change or improve my original work for the better, to go ahead and do it.

Creating routes or indeed any other assets for Trainz or any of the sims is not a five minute process. Can take weeks or even months and sometimes simply falls by the wayside due to distraction or dis-satisfaction with the state of one's own work.

The OP would do well to remember that contributors to the DLS are doing this for no financial return, entirely as freeware because they want to share a particularly interesting or personal favourite prototype with the wider community. If you don't like the look of it, that's what the delete command in the game menu or CMP is for.

amigacooke
April 27th, 2018, 05:47 AM
OP, please feel free to contact any British content creators you can find and berate them for their lack of output.

Talking of which is the Potteries Loop Line coming to TANE before we move onto Next? :)

amigacooke
April 27th, 2018, 05:48 AM
Hi
The OP has form for this before. A few years ago he said he was leaving because some Mars assets appeared on the DLS, but he's still here. He appears to be one of those people who are only happy when they're unhappy.


Given he's only unhappy every couple of years I think he's doing quite well compared to some.

teddytoot
April 27th, 2018, 01:09 PM
I see from his profile he is a Mail Nurse, which sounds an interesting occupation.

Ghost42
April 27th, 2018, 02:07 PM
I must thank the 'Mail Nurse' for a thoroughly interesting thread, the weather is awful and have had to slave away at Trainz all day, I needed some relief!

KenGreen
April 27th, 2018, 03:06 PM
I see from his profile he is a Mail Nurse, which sounds an interesting occupation.

A mail nurse is a postman.

Ken

rjhowie
April 27th, 2018, 05:49 PM
Well I can go a bit along with you on that theme alantaylor61. It is not my first reason for building Northern Ireland Railways but my secondary thought (www.northernirelandrailwaysim.moonfruit.com)!

ray_whiley
April 28th, 2018, 09:50 AM
What does annoy me though is folk who don't provide a proper thumbnail picture and don't give any description of what their model/route/session/etc actually is.

I strongly agree. This is especially annoying when the name of the asset is also vague, maybe just a string of letters etc.

Ray

rjhowie
April 28th, 2018, 05:55 PM
Ken Green you made me smile.........

sterrett
April 29th, 2018, 04:40 AM
I have a feeling the OP is either winding us all up, or was on the beer or wacky baccy when he posted that.............

valbridge
April 30th, 2018, 12:33 AM
Currently building a London/Brighton route and have researched DLS for UK content finding it acceptable but not prolific. Suitable rolling stock appears sparse for a modern route using third rail but have managed to find one or two consists, still hunting. Buildings/Textures/Scenery is not a problem at all. Rail crossings via TRC system most suitable for UK routes. So all in all pretty happy at how it is turning out. Perhaps Gandalf needs a magic ring to help him see the wood as well as the trees!

Cheers,
Val.

rjhowie
April 30th, 2018, 05:24 PM
Years ago I recall a message on the forums where he talked about doing the whole of Gt Britain's railway network (!). I did laugh to be honest!

martinvk
May 2nd, 2018, 06:29 AM
Years ago I recall a message on the forums where he talked about doing the whole of Gt Britain's railway network (!). I did laugh to be honest!Well those were the days when ambition often outran reality. I once attempted to model all of the Dutch mainlines. That was in TRS2004 and got as far as putting in the tracks and most stations. Wasn't bad but performance was pretty blah and loading was an issue. Auran even helped in optimizing the loading sequence but in the end I had to put it away as a track too far. I imagine if I had attempted to add scenery, performance would have been pushed down to negative numbers. Totally unrealistic but it was a fun experience.

jordon412
May 2nd, 2018, 09:46 AM
I've been thinking about the topic of this thread and there's a little but of truth in this thread. Yes there is a lot of content for the railroads that become the big four, the big four themselves, and British Rail, but there's not a lot of content available for smaller railroads, or the earliest railroads, such as the Stockton & Darlington Railway.

johnwhelan
May 2nd, 2018, 10:11 AM
I've been thinking about the topic of this thread and there's a little but of truth in this thread. Yes there is a lot of content for the railroads that become the big four, the big four themselves, and British Rail, but there's not a lot of content available for smaller railroads, or the earliest railroads, such as the Stockton & Darlington Railway.

There are both locomotives and rolling stock suitable for the Stockton & Darlington Railway. There is a fair bit of early broad gauge around. You do need to dig a bit and you can always reskin a few items. At that time period horses were used on railways which gives you another source of locomotive power.

Cheerio John

martinvk
May 2nd, 2018, 10:46 AM
One thing that needs to be kept in mind is that except for what is built-in to Trainz, the content we love and use is mainly supplied by volunteer enthusiasts for free, whether on the DLS or on third party sites. The exception being the payware creators. So before bemoaning any perceived lack of content, remember where it comes from.

nathanmallard
May 2nd, 2018, 12:57 PM
Pre-1923, I have content for:
NER - Paulz Trainz has pretty much all the NER engines you could ever need
NBR - v. high quality, edh6
HR - ditto
LNWR - ditto
GWR - skipper1945
LSWR - ditto
LBSCR - jayholland has done loads of LBSCR stuff
Great Central - camscott has done a few types

I think for pre-grouping fans, the only ones missing are the GER (only the J69 and the Claud), the Midland (only the Compound, a 0-4-4 tank and a flatiron), the Furness, the Glasgow & South Western (a truly unique little line actually), the Cambrian, and the Hull & Barnsley.

There's nothing significant missing for the grouping period (apart from very esoteric things which are usually my favourites!) with the LNER, GWR, LMS, and the Southern represented well. I can't think of one type that these companies introduced in significant numbers that doesn't have a decent model in Trainz apart from the Saint, Star and County classes of the GWR.

BR period, again there's plenty. I think the Standard 4MT tank deserves a new model but all of the classes are available from Paulz Trainz and the DLS. All the diesels apart from the prototypes and the Class 15s can be found on the DLS, even the D600 warships and the Baby Deltics which were famously unsuccessful. Warships, Westerns and Hymeks could all do with new models at some point, I don't doubt we'll see them though.

The only gap is AC electrics, DMUs and EMUs. For a phenomenally successful unit, the 101 on the DLS is ancient and 105s aside that's it. EMUs are doing a bit better but suburban routes around London, Glasgow etc. can't be done as with one or two exceptions the stock isn't available. The first generation of AC electrics has not yet been done (at least not in original condition) nor have the EM2s/77s.

The only period you'd struggle with is ironically the one we're living in. Modern stock is available but especially in the area of passenger MUs we're lacking Electrostars, 170s, numerous 158 liveries, 91/MK4s (yes there is one but it doesn't work in TANE or TS12), 70, IEP etc. So I can only conclude the OP wants modern era stock as that's the only area where Trainz has content gaps, UK wise (not that I'm complaining as the modern scene isn't that interesting to me).

teddytoot
May 2nd, 2018, 01:03 PM
It is significant that he hasn.t responded to the comments.

Vern
May 2nd, 2018, 10:12 PM
ISTR (not at a PC with access to Trainz ATM), there is a reasonable selection of 1st gen DMU/EMU stock.
Pretty certain there's a Class 116/117/118 suburban DMU along with a Class 121 bubble car.
There's also a Class 124 Trans-Pennine DMU.
There's also a surprisingly good Hastings DEMU available.
For electrics I'm fairly certain there is a Class 305 or similar for AC and a variety of SR third rail stock.
Whether these work in TANE or meet modern expectations I can't say but they are there.
One DMU I would like to see modelled though is the Class 120 Cross Country. These were quite widespread on what came to be the "Provincial Express" routes around Britain. Built for comfort and had a distinctive rasping exhaust on pullaway. Very nice to travel on, particularly across the Central Wales Line!
For EMU's, well the Class 310 was the mainstay of outer suburban services on the southern section of the LMR, later being transferred to the LT&S.

Sadly neither a Class 120 or Class 310 was preserved which might make reproducing in Trainz a challenge, particularly getting hold of authentic sounds.

rjhowie
May 3rd, 2018, 11:59 AM
Good try by you there martinvk! In passing as some know I have built what is left in one of the 4 nations here in GBover in Ulster -namely N. Ireland Railways (plus over the Border). However I have found how a dashed challenge this has been with so much scenry to do in Eire on the Belfast-Dublin route for the "Enterprise Express" service. Off an on will take me a big chunk of 2018 to stick to the extensions but here is hoping.........:o

MF01
May 3rd, 2018, 12:12 PM
Lack of british content of course (http://berkshiretrainz.webs.com/)

euromodeller
May 3rd, 2018, 05:55 PM
How to find British content...

1, Make a new thread complaining that there is a lack of British content.
2, Sit back and wait.
3, Read through the posts in the thread.
4, Download content.

Simple :)

MF01
May 3rd, 2018, 06:15 PM
euromodeller Plot twist, it was a bait thread and he did that on purpose so we can post all the links and kuid numbers of british items

rjhowie
May 3rd, 2018, 08:22 PM
Considering that we invented railways it is should be an encouragement for more British stuff. Now I am going back to work on the one I am very widely in to..........

Paulsw2
May 7th, 2018, 05:39 PM
... One DMU I would like to see modelled though is the Class 120 Cross Country. These were quite widespread on what came to be the "Provincial Express" routes around Britain. Built for comfort and had a distinctive rasping exhaust on pullaway. Very nice to travel on, particularly across the Central Wales Line!
Yes, yes, yes! These ran on the service from Lincoln to Crewe via Nottingham and Derby back in the 70s and were much used for spotting trips. I'd love to see one of these!

Paul