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bnsfcorey_33
February 17th, 2018, 01:35 AM
I want T:ANE SP2 and I also want TS18. If there is anyone out there who owns both of the games, which game is the better one?

Richarde57
February 17th, 2018, 02:52 AM
Still unregistered game.

Reason?

☼ ? ☼

Vern
February 17th, 2018, 03:15 AM
Wait for a Steam sale (Easter?) and buy both!

Alco_P-A
February 17th, 2018, 03:22 AM
Both games have their good and bad points which have been hashed over many times. I have both companies games. Trainz is more user friendly and is a stand alone game. I would go with Trainz first and if you find TS2018 cheap then buy that one too. Variety is a good thing.
;)

MF01
February 17th, 2018, 07:59 AM
If you want TS18 don't forget to call your Bank for a big loan. All DLCs cost about 3500 bucks

RJArtim
February 17th, 2018, 08:10 AM
I have both an more. TANE is easier to build routes, but you need some smarts to use the session editor. The session editor is the most powerful one. It is amazing what you can do with a session. AND regardless of what people say about TS2018 and it's 3500 dollars of dlc, I say, why would you want it all? I do US items not UK, German or Japanese. So it did not cost me 3500, not to mention the 3rd party items were not mentioned, which would take you over 6K if you actually purchased everything available. You would also have 250 gig of stuff installed.

MF01
February 17th, 2018, 08:51 AM
You didn't get the point... I never say that you have tu buy em all but TS2018 is provided with what, 2-3 routes and trains and you have to buy DLCs then and yeah there's freeware third parties assets but not as much as Trainz but I'm not surprised as Dovetail was created by an ex EA

Vals_Loeder
February 17th, 2018, 09:20 AM
Still unregistered game.

Reason?

☼ ? ☼

Becasue he hasn't decided yet which one to buy?

MF01
February 17th, 2018, 09:35 AM
He has Trainz because if you look and previous thread he made he asked for locs because of missing deps so he have Trainz and why didn't he registered the game ? Maybe because he has troubles or an illegal copy

RJArtim
February 17th, 2018, 09:35 AM
You didn't get the point... I never say that you have tu buy em all but TS2018 is provided with what, 2-3 routes and trains and you have to buy DLCs then and yeah there's freeware third parties assets but not as much as Trainz but I'm not surprised as Dovetail was created by an ex EA

Yeah I did get the point, you wanted to trash on DTG by making it sound that everything is out of reach because of the price. Doesn't help someone trying to decide on which to get. "Get a loan for $3500" says it all.

MF01
February 17th, 2018, 09:41 AM
I trashed DTG then ? TS2018 has its advantage and inconvenient like T:ANE but where T:ANE is superior is that making a route is so easier and full in terms of tools, a lot of 3r parties free assets etc ( yeah there's DLC too I know like everywhere ) but at least when you buy T:ANE you got a lot of included items unlike TS but like I said that's my POV​

cascaderailroad
February 17th, 2018, 09:52 AM
Start by shovelin' mor' schnow' ... so you can buy both

Vals_Loeder
February 17th, 2018, 11:12 AM
He has Trainz because if you look and previous thread he made he asked for locs because of missing deps so he have Trainz and why didn't he registered the game ? Maybe because he has troubles or an illegal copy

Or he doesn't want to register it ... or has a different account and has registered it ... or et cetera ... It is nobodies business why he hasn't registered it.

hiawathamr
February 17th, 2018, 11:13 AM
Wait for a Steam sale (Easter?) and buy both!
There is a Steam sale already happening until the 19 Feb :P

Richarde57
February 17th, 2018, 12:37 PM
It is nobodies business why he hasn't registered it.

Wrong!

We all don't like to answer questions of people who have illegal copies of trainz.

So, why not simply ask?

He can anser that question himself.
Would be nice if he did.

It's not your business to do it for him, meneer Vals Loeder!


Vals_Loeder
February 17th, 2018, 01:01 PM
Wrong!

We all don't like to answer questions of people who have illegal copies of trainz.

So, why not simply ask?

He can anser that question himself.
Would be nice if he did.

It's not your business to do it for him, meneer Vals Loeder!


Nobody is obligated to answer your inane questions dude, you can stamp your feet like a little girl but it doesn't change anything.

cascaderailroad
February 17th, 2018, 01:02 PM
Think that TS18 is for running already been created routes and sessions, and there is allot of payware to be bought, and creating a route is almost impossible ... But it is great looking stuffz' !

Trainz is most funnest' because you can edit routes, and create your own routes

shaneturner12
February 17th, 2018, 01:16 PM
Nobody is obligated to answer your inane questions dude, you can stamp your feet like a little girl but it doesn't change anything.

That's true although I know quite a few are wary (and rightly too) when it comes to 'unregistered' users. I've seen cases in the past where there's been illegitimate versions involved (although I'm more keen to help people register their versions).

The registration also allows access to the technical support side of the forums - gauging by the OP's previous two posts they have been in General Trainz.

Shane

BlackDiamond1964
February 17th, 2018, 02:15 PM
I'm a person that has made content in both Trainz and TS2018. Both have their ups and downs. If you want eye candy or you just want to drive a train, then I'd say go with TS2018. If you want to go for route creation, I'd say go with Trainz. When it comes to content creation, I'd say they are pretty equal except the fact that finding actual content creation guides for TS2018 can be a daunting task. Much of what is out there is outdated or just plain wrong.

Vals_Loeder
February 18th, 2018, 03:19 AM
That's true although I know quite a few are wary (and rightly too) when it comes to 'unregistered' users. I've seen cases in the past where there's been illegitimate versions involved (although I'm more keen to help people register their versions).

The registration also allows access to the technical support side of the forums - gauging by the OP's previous two posts they have been in General Trainz.

Shane

I believe in "innocent until proven guilty" and act likewise. It is not right to act as if a person with an unregistered version is by definition using a pirated version. Think about it. And secondly it aslo isn't in the interest of N3V to chase away potential customers by the local Gestapo here.

shaneturner12
February 18th, 2018, 03:25 AM
I believe in "innocent until proven guilty" and act likewise. It is not right to act as if a person with an unregistered version is by definition using a pirated version. Think about it. And secondly it aslo isn't in the interest of N3V to chase away potential customers by the local Gestapo here.

I agree with that which is why I prefer to assist with helping the person register their versions where possible where the user has mentioned that they have a version (which is the case in previous posts from this OP).

Unfortunately past experience hasn't helped on that front but I usually only suspect issues like that if the user declines to register their version.

Shane

Vern
February 18th, 2018, 03:27 AM
Yeah I did get the point, you wanted to trash on DTG by making it sound that everything is out of reach because of the price. Doesn't help someone trying to decide on which to get. "Get a loan for $3500" says it all.

Think I'll pop my head round the door at RWA for some sanity, Bob!

And unlike buying a Trainz DLC direct from N3V, if for some reason you don't like a DLC for TS2018 so long as you refund within two hours and don't make a habit of it, you can get your money back.

The main obstacle to building routes in TS20xx isn't so much the complexity, just that Trainz has much more in the way of readily available assets and in particular for adding in terrain textures. But satisfactory results can be achieved in both sims if you approach with the correct state of mind. :)

Vals_Loeder
February 18th, 2018, 08:23 AM
I agree with that which is why I prefer to assist with helping the person register their versions where possible where the user has mentioned that they have a version (which is the case in previous posts from this OP).

Unfortunately past experience hasn't helped on that front but I usually only suspect issues like that if the user declines to register their version.

Shane

Where does it say you are obligated to register your version? Nowhere is the answer. So, you also condemn a person just because (s)he hasn't registered the game.

MF01
February 18th, 2018, 08:35 AM
You have to register your version to access some part of the forums...

Richarde57
February 18th, 2018, 08:48 AM
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clam1952
February 18th, 2018, 09:06 AM
Think I'll pop my head round the door at RWA for some sanity, Bob!

And unlike buying a Trainz DLC direct from N3V, if for some reason you don't like a DLC for TS2018 so long as you refund within two hours and don't make a habit of it, you can get your money back.

The main obstacle to building routes in TS20xx isn't so much the complexity, just that Trainz has much more in the way of readily available assets and in particular for adding in terrain textures. But satisfactory results can be achieved in both sims if you approach with the correct state of mind. :)

I don't have any DTG Stuff due to it only being available on Steam, however I do look at what people are posting on forums.

Been watching over the years a couple of TS NG routes, one although it looks quite good but wouldn't satify the rivet counters relies heavily on several payware routes for stuff that is easily found in Trainz, or would not take that much effort to create, the other sadly unfinished due to the creator passing on, was being done to a high standard entirely with created assets no payware involved. My Interest being they happen to be routes I have and am doing in TANE, always interesting to see how the other side does it ;o)

Point being it looks like you could create payware free routes in TS whatever, just might require a bit more effort to source or create the parts.

RJArtim
February 18th, 2018, 09:14 AM
Think that TS18 is for running already been created routes and sessions, and there is allot of payware to be bought, and creating a route is almost impossible ... But it is great looking stuffz' !

Trainz is most funnest' because you can edit routes, and create your own routes

It is not almost impossible to create routes in TS2018. I got 3 under my belt. You can build them with helpers as well like I did. Assign people areas to work in and it all comes together. I also own Railworks America, and there are quite a few routes created by only 1 person online and access to high speed download is free to anyone who comes by. And there are plenty more on the Steam workshop. TS2018 can load google maps right in the editor, makes it a lot easier. In my opinion, Trainz' best feature is the session editor. Now that is a powerful piece of kit.

Zeldaboy14
February 18th, 2018, 09:19 AM
As i learned, it's better to buy the game and register for more fun and help then be a pirate (arrrggg!!)

Vals_Loeder
February 18th, 2018, 11:12 AM
Being very good at copy-paste is needed when

... you lack arguments.

shaneturner12
February 18th, 2018, 11:18 AM
Where does it say you are obligated to register your version? Nowhere is the answer. So, you also condemn a person just because (s)he hasn't registered the game.

Registration is essential to access parts of the online services (including the Download Station and parts of these forums). It also helps the person if they have a version of Trainz as it shows on their timeline (which also helps on identifying what version they have).

Shane

normhart
February 18th, 2018, 11:53 AM
But, again, participation on this Forum does not require product registration at this time.

and back to the OP's original question.

The reason I selected Trainz rather than other rail simulators was the wealth of assets available. 400,000 plus available on the DLS plus tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands more available on other websites.

I do not believe any other rail game offers so much versatility. So, no matter what era or location you are interested in, trainz has something for you.

RJArtim
February 18th, 2018, 12:33 PM
I agree with you that Trainz has a lot of assets, 400 K plus, but everything is not usable in TANE. Weeding through the stuff that does not work with TANE is a royal pain in the butt. Especially routes with pofig trees. Lots of nice looking routes I can not run with out a huge effort to change stuff in Trainz 2012. Backward compatability is great but not all the way back to version 1.2. The way I look at all of the sims is: Run8 for multiplayer and top notch physics, Railworks-TS2018 great looking and serious operating, Trainz is a whole lot of FUN, with a serious side.

shaneturner12
February 18th, 2018, 12:59 PM
But, again, participation on this Forum does not require product registration at this time.

and back to the OP's original question.

The reason I selected Trainz rather than other rail simulators was the wealth of assets available. 400,000 plus available on the DLS plus tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands more available on other websites.

I do not believe any other rail game offers so much versatility. So, no matter what era or location you are interested in, trainz has something for you.

True although it's advisable to avoid potential issues (one reason why some do request people to register their versions).

In terms of the OP's question, I've only had partial experience with DTG's products and not in a good way (items not appearing, DLC costs).

Shane

BlackDiamond1964
February 18th, 2018, 02:06 PM
TS2018 can load google maps right in the editor, makes it a lot easier. In my opinion, Trainz' best feature is the session editor. Now that is a powerful piece of kit.

I forgot to mention this. It's a big plus for TS2018. The plus for Trainz is it's ground resolution. I believe it's 5m. Where TS2018 is 8m

RJArtim
February 18th, 2018, 04:18 PM
And you can import SRTM data right in the editor as well. No 3rd party stuff required.

clam1952
February 18th, 2018, 05:10 PM
And you can import SRTM data right in the editor as well. No 3rd party stuff required.

Ah but you can't use 2m lidar data which is way way more accurate than SRTM ;o)

BlackDiamond1964
February 18th, 2018, 05:19 PM
Ah but you can't use 2m lidar data which is way way more accurate than SRTM ;o)

I'm not positive, but I believe there was a 3rd party program to help with this. Though the name "2m lidar" is not familiar to me.

philskene
February 18th, 2018, 06:10 PM
My two cents worth. If you like shuttling back and forth along realistic routes, DTG is the way to go. I find them boring.

For fun - T:ANE is my simulation of choice.

clam1952
February 18th, 2018, 06:44 PM
I'm not positive, but I believe there was a 3rd party program to help with this. Though the name "2m lidar" is not familiar to me.


LIDAR Composite DTM - 2m Published by Environment Agency. (https://data.gov.uk/publisher/environment-agency) Licensed under https://data.gov.uk/images/ogl-symbol.png Open Government Licence (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/).
Openness rating: (http://lab.linkeddata.deri.ie/2010/star-scheme-by-example/)
Responsible Party: Environment Agency (pointOfContact)
Mapping

https://data.gov.uk/images/uk_location.gif (https://data.gov.uk/location) This metadata record is for Approval for Access product AfA458. Light Detection and Ranging (LIDAR) is an airborne mapping technique, which uses a laser to measure the distance between the aircraft and the ground. Up to 100,000 measurements per second are made of the ground, allowing highly detailed terrain models to be generated at spatial resolutions of between 25cm and 2 metres. The Environment Agency’s LIDAR data archive contains digital elevation data derived from surveys carried out by the Environment Agency's specialist remote sensing team. Accurate elevation data is available for over 70% of England. This dataset is derived from a combination of our full dataset which has been merged and re-sampled to give the best possible coverage. Data is available at 2m, 1m, 50cm, and 25cm resolution. The dataset can be supplied as a Digital Surface Model produced from the signal returned to the LIDAR (which includes heights of objects, such as vehicles, buildings and vegetation, as well as the terrain surface) or as a Digital Terrain Model produced by removing objects from the Digital Surface Model. Attribution statement: © Environment Agency copyright and/or database right 2015. All rights reserved.







All available to download for free from the UK Environment Agency and works with Transdem. 2 metre is best for Trainz with a 5m grid, smaller would be pointless.

BlackDiamond1964
February 18th, 2018, 06:54 PM
All available to download for free from the UK Environment Agency and works with Transdem. 2 metre is best for Trainz with a 5m grid, smaller would be pointless.

Thanks! Now I know what it is. I recall there was a program that imported a higher resolution into TS2018. I never it needed because the DEMs I used where already higher resolution.


Another difference between the two sims is the night lighting. I'm still waiting for the Trainz crew to come up with a better way to deal with night lighting and how light shine is rendered on other objects.

Vern
February 19th, 2018, 03:15 AM
Thanks! Now I know what it is. I recall there was a program that imported a higher resolution into TS2018. I never it needed because the DEMs I used where already higher resolution.


Another difference between the two sims is the night lighting. I'm still waiting for the Trainz crew to come up with a better way to deal with night lighting and how light shine is rendered on other objects.

It was called Redem. I still have a working copy but the author stopped selling a while ago.

Unfortunately DTG never fixed the bug where anything other than low res DEM crashes the editor at latitude lines if you use the built in importer.

BlackDiamond1964
February 19th, 2018, 02:59 PM
It was called Redem. I still have a working copy but the author stopped selling a while ago.

Unfortunately DTG never fixed the bug where anything other than low res DEM crashes the editor at latitude lines if you use the built in importer.


I never experience that bug. But I did get some good terrain resolution from my DEM's.

https://s5.postimg.org/q6pcsqsef/20180219145540_1.jpg (https://postimages.org/)