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stouthm
February 3rd, 2017, 08:06 PM
Many of my consists on my routes slow down to half speed well before the crossovers or the tracks for the industries. There are #5 signals between the crossovers and industries. How far does the AI see these signals? I'm thinking that I may have too many #5's. Should I place them just at the curves and not too many on the straight sections? Thanks.

BN1970
February 3rd, 2017, 10:28 PM
#5 signals are merely intermediate permissive signals. Your consists should run at track speed as long as you are running on green signals. Yellow (approach) or Flashing Yellow (Approach Medium) will cause your consist to slow to 1/2 speed until you get to another Green signal, then your consist should resume track speed. It won't make any difference how many #5's in a row you have.

cascaderailroad
February 4th, 2017, 12:02 AM
I place thousands of BNSF50's "Invisible Signal" as too many visible signals looks very unprototypical

I used to have the "half speed" thing, but by using many intermediate "Invisible Signals", "Track Direction Markers" blocking unintended oncoming opposite running direction, tracks, as well as "Train Priority" markers ... My trains throw turnouts hundreds of feet ahead, and follow a pre-specified track, and are guided through complex interlockings, simply by using "Drive" or "Drive Via" a named trackmarker

stouthm
February 4th, 2017, 09:23 AM
Thanks guys. I'll try the invisible signal and see what happens.

stouthm
February 4th, 2017, 01:03 PM
Cascaderrailroad - I haven't found any invisible signals by BNSF50. You mentioned that you place a lot on your route, are they the same signal or different ones? Foe example, #4's and #6's where needed. Thanks for replying.

JCitron
February 4th, 2017, 01:40 PM
I avoid the invisible signals as they are completely unnecessary if you are using Jointed Rail's scripted signals.

The spacing between signals is determined by the following factors:

Train length
Train Speed

and

Train frequency

If you are running mile long freights at 40 mph max speed you can place your type 05s a mile apart and probably never see a yellow, if you only run a train every hour. If it's a commuter line running frequent short consists at a higher speed, you want closer signals so the trains can run behind each other.

If any of your junctions are not set for the mainline, you will get a yellow. With multiple Type 05s, you will get a blinking yellow followed by a solid yellow before the red. This is standard for NORAC operations. The blinking yellow is to tell the driver that there's an upcoming yellow and to start slowing down before the solid yellow. A solid yellow will tell the driver to operate at one half the posted speed and to prepare to stop at the upcoming red.

Crossovers... If you use Type 08, interlocking signals, your trains will operate at a slower speed through the interlocking. I think they drop down to 15 or 20 mph. I can't remember since I haven't done any driving for ages, or even used Trainz in months for that matter. Again if you are using JR's scripted signals, you can set the mainline path and I think that will keep the trains at speed.

How do I determine signal spacing?

I setup a double US Coal 2000T consist and use that as a spacing tool. My Type 05's are placed at the "forward" end of the consist as I move it along the tracks with a bit of a fudge space if here's a crossover or single to passing siding where in these cases, I end the Type 05s shorter long before the upcoming Type 08s, or Type 04/Type 06 combination.

Hope this helps.