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davesnow
November 15th, 2016, 12:00 PM
I get so tired of people making new posts in old, many times dead threads here in the forums. I suggest a thread which is over a YEAR OLD be given some kind of highlight, such as a RED outline or something.

Just an idea.

Dave

shaneturner12
November 15th, 2016, 12:13 PM
The way I personally see it is if the new post adds value to the existing thread (or if the original poster of thread is announcing an update to an asset, program, or similar) then it's not normally an issue to me.

Shane

Vern
November 15th, 2016, 12:49 PM
Or do what other forums do and lock threads which are over a certain time since last posted to, unless the OP requests otherwise (perhaps).

Most of the time it seems to be newbs or kids who perhaps don't know better, the worst being a response to a 4 or 5 year dead thread proclaiming something is being developed which pretty obviously didn't make it beyond the drawing board!

JCitron
November 15th, 2016, 02:22 PM
The way I personally see it is if the new post adds value to the existing thread (or if the original poster of thread is announcing an update to an asset, program, or similar) then it's not normally an issue to me.

Shane


Or do what other forums do and lock threads which are over a certain time since last posted to, unless the OP requests otherwise (perhaps).

Most of the time it seems to be newbs or kids who perhaps don't know better, the worst being a response to a 4 or 5 year dead thread proclaiming something is being developed which pretty obviously didn't make it beyond the drawing board!


Yes, I agree let's lock the useless ones but for the more important things which come up from time-to-time, it's good to keep those threads around.

"That's cool! Can I have that Class 5000 EMG Blah, blah, blah, whatever it's called..." and the thread was last accessed in January 2010. :)

bendorsey
November 15th, 2016, 02:58 PM
Another suggestion might be to making a sticky out of certain subjects.

Example: Converting a MSTS item into a Trainz item which seems to show up every 3 or 4 months. Answers are always the same:
You must have the original authors permission.
You must have the original mesh.
It isn't easy.

Just a thought.

Ben

Matt3985
November 15th, 2016, 03:05 PM
I both agree and disagree on this. What I do agree is this will surely help people from bringing up topics that were announce to become dead when the the OP has stated the project or topic has been halted for good.

What I will disagree on this is that there has to be set of guidelines on which ones should be locked and which ones are still viable to remain open, for example, a topic thats more than 2 years old or more that has seen no activity in it should be locked but any topic thats less than two years old (even if there has been no activity should remain open just incase to give the OP time if he/she has been very busy with personal life issues. This way that can set a decent time limit, plus if a topic reply is made on the old topic that makes it restart activity on it again should then be move back so if the topic does die again, they have yet up to 2 years again to see if they can bring up activity on it again.

cascaderailroad
November 15th, 2016, 03:51 PM
I disagree ... If there is a 5 y/o thread, and someone has some important pertinent questions, or highly related input ... what harm does bumping an old thread really do ? It doesn't waste bandwidth, or anything else detrimental to the forum ... unless someone bumps an old thread, to ask a lamebrained question, or to post: "Yo I really like this" ... "Where can I git' Anl's locos" ? Use your best judgement before posting. Sometimes an old thread is very refreshing.

Matt3985
November 15th, 2016, 04:15 PM
I disagree ... If there is a 5 y/o thread, and someone has some important pertinent questions, or highly related input ... what harm does bumping an old thread really do ? Sometimes an old thread is very refreshing.

This is why Im still 50/50 on this topic and I totally agree with you. Some threads I did enjoy taking part in years ago are buried deep within the forums and some of them still hold a interesting discussions that can be continued if they are brought back up again.

Saieditor
November 15th, 2016, 04:16 PM
I disagree ... If there is a 5 y/o thread, and someone has some important pertinent questions, or highly related input ... what harm does bumping an old thread really do ? It doesn't waste bandwidth, or anything else detrimental to the forum ... unless someone bumps an old thread, to ask a lamebrained question, or to post: "Yo I really like this" ... "Where can I git' Anl's locos" ? Use your best judgement before posting. Sometimes an old thread is very refreshing.


Sometimes.

Last night via google, I was looking at a 7 year old thread, and combing through it. I was looking for something. Last post was 2012, and our friend dundunwhatever made a totally irrelevant post about his challenger project. The thread was four years dead and his post had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the thread.

Just sayin.

chris2001trainz2010
November 15th, 2016, 04:17 PM
The best way to remedy this is to introduce new rules to new members. There should be a small section of the forums here dedicated to "opening posts" by new members, where they tell the mods why they should be allowed to post here. If their post is constructive and inoffensive, they should be let in. If not, they are told to revise the way they act or talk and try again in a week. After a week, the new members can then make another post stating why they should be let into the full forums, and so on.

Back to the issue of old threads. In my opinion, any threads over a year old should be inaccessible to members who have been here less than 3 months. That way, threads are less likely to be bumped. After three months, the new user should be able to see all posts from a year ago and later, since this wait should reinforce the fact that bumping threads (in certain ways) is considered rude.

Now what should we do if someone does bump a thread? This is going to sound harsh, but depending on the post itself, i think the mods should calmly send a PM to the person who bumped the thread, if such post is considered unnecessary, inflammatory, or rude. If this happens a second time, another PM, this time a bit more stern. Three times? I think that should be worth a 10-point infraction. But then again, "this doesn't break the CoC"...oh wait, it does (in certain cases).


Flooding the forums and chat with redundant messages, empty messages...and/or nonsensical messages.

There's two options i can think of that should coincide with the suggestion given before. Those are:

1. If a thread is bumped with a post like "can someone send me this locomotive" or something like that, then yeah, i believe that goes against this article of the CoC. If it's something like a screenshot thread being bumped, the user bumping the thread should show a screenshot within the theme of the thread. If it's a project thread that hasn't been posted in in a year, then chances are the project is dead, and no further posts are necessary unless it is posted by the OP of the thread or by someone else that has connections or relations to the project, like a colleague or the like. It all depends on the post and the thread being bumped.

2. The only other option i see is every thread being locked after 30 days of inactivity (i.e. no new posts after a 30 day period). This can become a hassle though, as if a creator wants to bump the thread, they may have to message the moderators to get them to re-open the thread...unless the creator can post in their own thread as often as possible no matter the timeframe between posts. For example, if i post a project thread in the Screenshots forum, only i, the opening poster, can post there after 30 days: for all others, the thread appears locked, or "dead", if you want to call it that.

I've seen this done by countless people, countless times. And yeah, maybe some of them do receive infractions for bumping these dead threads...but yet there are people that do it constantly, and it gets rude. One user in particular bumped two threads that i know of, and posted 3 TIMES in a matter of minutes (technically i could say this is in violation of the first part of Article 12 ["...redundant messages"], but i bet he wouldn't be punished for it anyway, so yeah). That's why i think we need a new rule or two around here. My ideas are meant to counteract this, again: depending on the post itself.

So that's my personal take on this. It's quite annoying seeing a thread from 4-5 years ago being bumped when it's very clearly dead. I'm sure people will disagree with me on this, but that's how I personally believe this issue can be solved. And hey, these are just suggestions, but y'know, feel free to be rude to me because yatta yatta yatta i have an opinion and it's "wrong".

\_(ツ)_/

SantaFebuff
November 15th, 2016, 04:26 PM
Let's ban everyone who bumps threads and be done with it.

Wait.

That's technically not a solution.

Nevermind.

ish6
November 15th, 2016, 04:51 PM
It depends -- nothing wrong resurrecting an old through regardless of it's ten years old if it has valuable and informative information such as guidelines and tutorials!

Ish

SailorDan
November 15th, 2016, 05:12 PM
I get so tired of people making new posts in old, many times dead threads here in the forums.
The thread listing shows the original date of each thread. If old threads don't interest you then don't open them.

amigacooke
November 15th, 2016, 07:18 PM
I'll write my usual reply to threads on this subject.

Forum threads are self regulating. Any thread that cannot sustain interest will sink from sight regardless of whether it's been resurrected or not. Why discourage posters?

itareus
November 15th, 2016, 08:21 PM
[QUOTE=amigacooke;1555793...Any thread that cannot sustain interest will sink from sight regardless of whether it's been resurrected or not. Why discourage posters?[/QUOTE]

Agreed, and why spend time (= money) on forum changes when that money could be better spent on new TANE developments ?

Chris M

Matt3985
November 15th, 2016, 11:38 PM
I third that. It makes more sense.

simulatortrain
November 16th, 2016, 07:36 AM
>waits patiently for a future April 1 to bump this thread

Tony_Hilliam
November 16th, 2016, 05:37 PM
I was just thinking - this thread may have a life of its own with people bumping it randomly for a laugh.

shaneturner12
November 16th, 2016, 05:42 PM
That would be just like the post related thread that seems to crop up every so often.

Shane

itareus
November 16th, 2016, 06:45 PM
>waits patiently for a future April 1 to bump this thread


April fool !!!!

Oh wait, it's only November !

Better luck next time.

JCitron
November 16th, 2016, 08:39 PM
I was just thinking - this thread may have a life of its own with people bumping it randomly for a laugh.

We need one of these around to break the serious stuffiness which has descended on the forums again.

John

PC_Ace
November 16th, 2016, 09:22 PM
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?80030-Ignore-this-post&highlight=ignore+post

shaneturner12 - Yes my favourite resurrected thread/ conversation was that old chestnut, "Ignore this Post" started by Narrowgauge. (68000+ laughs later...)

cascaderailroad
November 16th, 2016, 09:40 PM
Oh ... Now you done dooded' it ... I feel a "Bump" coming on

amigacooke
November 17th, 2016, 02:39 AM
We need one of these around to break the serious stuffiness which has descended on the forums again.

John

Yeah, but even that would be old hat.

What used to drive the Trainz forum was innovation, showing what Trainz could do, rather than moaning about what it can't.

shaneturner12
November 17th, 2016, 03:47 AM
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?80030-Ignore-this-post&highlight=ignore+post

shaneturner12 - Yes my favourite resurrected thread/ conversation was that old chestnut, "Ignore this Post" started by Narrowgauge. (68000+ laughs later...)

Yep - that's the one I was thinking of...

Shane

Tony_Hilliam
November 17th, 2016, 06:18 AM
What used to drive the Trainz forum was innovation, showing what Trainz could do, rather than moaning about what it can't.


Or perhaps after 1.5M posts people are finding answers to the real questions leaving moaning about things as the only new topic. Perhaps we need to have a "fresh" forum that has no history at all and archive this old beast ;)

amigacooke
November 17th, 2016, 08:14 AM
Or perhaps after 1.5M posts people are finding answers to the real questions leaving moaning about things as the only new topic. Perhaps we need to have a "fresh" forum that has no history at all and archive this old beast ;)


Ah, another hard drive crash coming eh? ;)

Sadly, I guess it's too many of the posters who carry the baggage as well.

davesnow
November 17th, 2016, 09:02 AM
Well dang. I done created a monster.

JCitron
November 17th, 2016, 10:40 AM
Or perhaps after 1.5M posts people are finding answers to the real questions leaving moaning about things as the only new topic. Perhaps we need to have a "fresh" forum that has no history at all and archive this old beast ;)


Dang, that means we'd have to start all over again and rebuild our post counts! :)

DaveL
November 18th, 2016, 09:21 AM
Tony,

An excellent idea !!
Just find some forum software that actually has a usable search function !!

DaveL

slenderman8888
November 18th, 2016, 02:20 PM
a thread i think would do good with resurrecting is oknotsens project thread abandoned 2 years ago and he would probably be not happy with me if i was to bump it aka oknotsen should start making things again for example he has some good routes on the DLS
normally 2year old thread + bump = thread locked + gets a warning

dundun92
November 18th, 2016, 05:31 PM
Sometimes.

Last night via google, I was looking at a 7 year old thread, and combing through it. I was looking for something. Last post was 2012, and our friend dundunwhatever made a totally irrelevant post about his challenger project. The thread was four years dead and his post had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the thread.

Just sayin.
The post was not about the challenger project(my brother and I use the same account, so I don't know why he posted it).

JCitron
November 18th, 2016, 11:59 PM
Boy this thread has spawned some ancient threads...

http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?28668-I-miss-connyxy-don-t-you

The forum server and software has been given a workout as the disks dug deeply on to sectors it hasn't touched in nearly decade.