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Tony_Hilliam
September 22nd, 2016, 01:55 AM
Hi folks. The Screenshot Competition has been around for as long as I can remember. We at N3V Games think the time has come to broaden our horizons and add a "Download of the Week Competition" and we'd love your feedback...

We envisage the competition would run in a similar manner to the screenshot competition. (See this thread (http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?133686-Download-of-the-Week) if you would like to volunteer to become a coordinator).

Each week, a different them would be chosen e.g. Theme = coal mines.

People would post a screenshot of an item they have downloaded (or created) along with a description of the asset and any further interesting information such as poly count, LOD, scripting, how to use etc.

After a week of submissions, entries are closed off and voting begins with people voting on the item they like best (and based upon potentially different criteria as part of the theme).

Themes could be functional, regional, railroad specific, a particular asset type etc. Please feel free to throw your ideas into this thread as well.

davesnow
September 22nd, 2016, 02:26 AM
What do you mean "A Download of the Week?" Do you mean an asset creation of the week?

Tony_Hilliam
September 22nd, 2016, 02:41 AM
Good question Dave - I have updated the introductory post with more details.

Let me know if that covers your question.

ish6
September 22nd, 2016, 04:14 AM
Hi Tony,

To answer your question, why not, right ...

I think this can be found, and also allow us a glimpse of what's being uploaded at the same time! :)

Ish

meatloaf747
September 22nd, 2016, 06:35 PM
I think it's a great idea. IMHO the forum needs a bit of a spice up!!!

Cheers, Mac...

Matt3985
September 22nd, 2016, 06:44 PM
I vote for yes because this sounds like a excellent idea since the screenshot competition is lacking on the creative side when it comes to the themes.

Southern1581
September 22nd, 2016, 09:50 PM
It sounds good to me.

Saieditor
September 23rd, 2016, 01:39 AM
Brilliant idea.

Also, it is a pleasure to download products that aren't faulty.
I downloaded a speedster built for 2004 and it worked, straight out of the cdp with no errors.

So I feel we are in for a good time with this new competition. :p

GIRAUD
September 23rd, 2016, 05:50 AM
Hello from France,

Why not ? We could always try ....

Best regards, Marc

normhart
September 23rd, 2016, 06:30 AM
With over 400,000 assets on the DLS I often have problems finding things, anything that helps that process would be welcome.

helian43
September 23rd, 2016, 09:12 AM
quote :
With over 400,000 assets on the DLS I often have problems finding things, anything that helps that process would be welcome.


Could not agree more. Bring it on......
helian43

roca999
September 23rd, 2016, 11:25 AM
Yes, I vote and an additional idea adding the pros and cons of why you selected the item. I think this would give the content creators some constructive crit feedback I am sure they would like to hear.

Vinnie264
September 23rd, 2016, 10:43 PM
I vote not until things like this are removed from the DLS.....
http://puu.sh/rlPcs/0d07d94424.jpg

Don't forget gramma's Amtrak SDP70ACe
http://hostthenpost.org/uploads/94cc89052b85389762b33468d5905fcf.png

Until things of quality come about and items like I put in the picture are removed, I will not participate in this event if it does come about.

ATSF854
September 23rd, 2016, 10:46 PM
b a s e d v i n e s a u c e v i n n y

applegathc
September 23rd, 2016, 11:05 PM
Well geez, thank god it has an OLS sticker on it!

H222
September 24th, 2016, 12:46 AM
Until things of quality come about and items like I put in the picture are removed, I will not participate in this event if it does come about.

"Dear sir/mam, I, the overlord and self-righteous Vinnie, have decided that I don't like your content and it's not good enough to be on a free website where anyone can upload what they have created."

Think before you speak. Who decides quality? Who tests every piece of content uploaded? If you're rejected then what? You're barred from uploading content?

Way to put people off sharing their stuff, man.

nice personal attack, btw. You've broken so many more rules of the CoC than gramma did by uploading that.

@Tony: I'd rather see your item of the week in the newsletter expanded. If you're interested in showing off the game, perhaps not use rules or surveyor items to advertise. Shiny locos with shadows work better.

Vinnie264
September 24th, 2016, 02:10 AM
Way to put people off sharing their stuff, man.

nice personal attack, btw.
Thank you for your generous input & kind words!

I almost forgot why I don't post anything on here. Thanks for the reminder.

Not responding to this anymore, so have fun.

NIARTcar
September 24th, 2016, 02:21 AM
Nope, I don't see this as the next hottest thing. To be honest, competition on this front is not what this community needs. It seems the kids on this forum already think there is some kind of payware freeware godship pecking order in place and the last thing that needs to be done is to reinforce that notion. What we need is a promotion of respect and understanding that content creation takes time and isn't about one-upping someone. I do it for the enjoyment of the art, and I feel like the most effective community does as well. Sure there is such thing as friendly competion, but I would be lying if I said I have ever seen the likes of that here when you try to pit creators against eachother whether directly or by third part. Just my thoughts.

H222
September 24th, 2016, 04:36 AM
Thank you for your generous input & kind words!

I almost forgot why I don't post anything on here. Thanks for the reminder.

Not responding to this anymore, so have fun.

Because people call you out for being rude? Act your age.

chris2001trainz2010
September 24th, 2016, 07:57 AM
XD

Nice job Vinnie. Ya done went and pissed off the great and almighty Jamie! You better run for teh hills before he gets ya!


Because people call you out for being rude?

When people call YOU out for being rude, you get all pissy and go off on a tangent, making you look just as childish. Amazing how people like you are still allowed here. It's a good thing this forum has lax-enough rules to prevent you from being banned! :hehe:

shaneturner12
September 24th, 2016, 08:08 AM
Whilst I'm wary of the idea of such a competition, I also feel that different creators have different skill levels which will have an impact (and Vinnie - I think you will find N3V only remove things from the DLS in certain circumstances like copyright violations).

Shane

bendorsey
September 24th, 2016, 08:13 AM
I have to agree with NIARTcar. This has the potential to turn into a gigantic can of worms.

Promote Trainz but I don't think this is the way to go about it.

Finally - Isn't it a bit redundant? Doesn't download count do the same thing?

Ben

Ben

Roy3b3
September 24th, 2016, 09:45 AM
I think it's excellent to be able to see a good layout now and then. We create our own for a while, then we're scratching our heads to work out what we'll do next.

Over the years, I've downloaded dozens from the DLS and found a few really good ones that I can modify to suit my way of thinking and I keep those. Any others that don't have what it takes, I delete, but before I do, I always look for an asset that I have not seen before and take note of it.

It's a great idea.
Cheers,
Roy

whitepass
September 24th, 2016, 09:56 AM
The NMRA has always had contests and the DLS is getting 400 uploads a week so you can not keep up on what is good and what is bad, this could help find the good.

ATSF854
September 24th, 2016, 10:50 AM
Because people call you out for being rude? Act your age.

Jamie, I've known you for a while but "Act your age?" JAMIE PLS

activerail
September 24th, 2016, 11:54 AM
Which version of Trainz would be used for the competition?

pdkoester
September 24th, 2016, 12:36 PM
...as the title asks:

Would you like to see a Download of the Week Competition on these forums?

...to be honest and straight to the point:


http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/09/hell-naw.gif

210009222
September 24th, 2016, 12:42 PM
I would have to agree with the statements made by Vinnie. Yes, the DLS is a place for people to share their work, but it shouldn't be a place to pack full of, dare I say, CRAP.

Make content people would like to see, not just random CRAP.

Just because you think looks good, DOESN'T mean it is. (I've learned that the hard way in my time here)

My votes a 'Nope' until there's more regulations on what gets uploaded.


Also, as a side note, how about we just add a score system to the assets, ie, the ability to 'like' assets.

Think this is a great asset? Like it.



That's all I've gotta say.

ThomasTheTaneEngine
September 24th, 2016, 12:51 PM
I voted no. :)

peterwise
September 24th, 2016, 01:11 PM
The idea of having subjective rules to what gets uploaded would be the ultimate can of worms. We already have objective (& machine-testable) rules as to what gets uploaded and N3V gets stick for that (and so many others), though these rules only go to improve content.

Decisions about usefulness or aesthetics must inherently be subjective. The person responsible (and presumably N3V as, it seems, always) would end up as the target of so much unpleasant abuse that it does not bear thinking about. Also, this person would be tied up almost full-time on this onerous and thankless task and would not be available for development tasks (either improving TANE or developing new products and services).

Why does N3V need to develop new products and services? Because it is a business! If cash flow falls below a certain level, it is in danger of dying. This would mean the death also of our hobby. I certainly do not want that. Do you? N3V may be a business, but it is doing business in our favour.

The same goes for these petty squabbles. These must inherently drive people away, N3V's cash flow falls, N3V dies, our hobby dies and everyone loses. These forums are not, or certainly should not be, a forum for petty bickering, name calling and fruitless dispute, but for for rational, well thought out, positive, even passionate discussions leading to positive outcomes for us all. Isn't that what we all want?

Peter.

210009222
September 24th, 2016, 01:27 PM
Get Gud Kid

Peter.

Y'know, next time a nice, 'Your ideas suck, get gud kid' work better, hahaha :hehe:

Just throwin' opinions and ideas out there.

Enzo1
September 24th, 2016, 02:16 PM
My vote goes in favor of no this time around. While I like the idea to extents, the horizon is just to broad for it to work in this setting right now. Personally, I would think it would work quite better if it was drawn up assets at the time of the competition. I don't think that people should go to the DLS, and dig stuff up, because where is the filter going to be? Somebody digs a fantastic asset for TRS2004 up, adds it to the competition, X people with TS12 SP1 or TANE download it, and find out it doesn't work in that version, and then it turns into a trash talking ground of either those who use old versions of the game or the content creator himself, because he made an asset that doesn't work in TS12 or TANE. That's not really going to improve the hobby in any way, shape, or form.

In terms of content creation, it needs to be specific as to what the asset is, and I think for the given time frame, should always be something scenery related. Locomotives and rolling stock in general take a long time to get to perfection. Far longer than a week to make it right. Again, there isn't going to be filter, so anybody can dig something up they want, once again causing the very issue mentioned above. It gets worse for rolling stock and locomotives because people hardly ever see eye to eye on what they consider detail and such. This will turn a friendly competition into a war zone that will end up driving more creators away than it will do good for the hobby.

Personally, a system that could work would look like this:
Theme for asset of the week: Warehouses
Rules: Asset must be made fresh and adhere to all CoC guidelines, other than that, the sky is the limit!
Voting criteria: Functionality
Creativity
Usefulness on layouts
Appearance

When we as the users go to vote, we have to make our vote in ACCORDANCE to those criteria, deciding which one was most suitable.
Voting: Each person has 1 vote regardless of how many entries. And they must weigh one of the criteria, they can lean heavily on one of the above, but they must consider all before voting for any one asset.
When voting, you provide feedback on why exactly you are choosing the asset, and then give a brief feedback on all the other assets providing the up and downs that you personally seen with each asset.
I think that by each voter providing feedback on the ups and downs of all the assets, not just the one would help the hobby grow, as it would help the creators drive this game further into the future with the help of the users. But sadly, it can also turn into a war ground, and there is no safe guard anywhere on this forum for this. Certain people will want to use that as a way to bash the creator, bash his work, and not be constructive, and when they do so, their post should be removed, and their vote not count. This should be a 3 strike policy. 3 strikes, and your out of the game with a ban, and then bans continue for users caught doing this multiple times until they get that it is not a way to bash, be childish, and a henderance on our hobby.
I think emphasis should really be about the user provided constructive feedback rather than the competition itself, thus why I believe that upsides on each one of the assets should be discussed.
I think in that form, we could really propel assets which propel the hobby into the future. Because then when the assets used on routes and etc are better, than so are the routes and stuff. The future could be bright, if people do it right.

As peterwise stated:

The same goes for these petty squabbles. These must inherently drive people away, N3V's cash flow falls, N3V dies, our hobby dies and everyone loses. These forums are not, or certainly should not be, a forum for petty bickering, name calling and fruitless dispute, but for for rational, well thought out, positive, even passionate discussions leading to positive outcomes for us all. Isn't that what we all want?

That is a statement that I couldn't agree more with, and sadly will occur on this front, and end up driving more people away than it creates excitement. It is for this reason, that strict rules must be put into place to ensure that the children of the forums do not come here, and start petty bickering for the mere hatred of N3V, TANE, and other people. It is also one of my main considerations, and reasons I vote no. There really is no control of these people, and sadly, they will continue to harm any perceptions of good of this hobby.

clam1952
September 24th, 2016, 04:24 PM
And given that people are already using this thread to criticise the creative efforts of others, this is doomed to failure and will just create a flash point for more bickering, Voted No.

chris2001trainz2010
September 24th, 2016, 05:52 PM
Aside from all the s*** that this place and concept has to its name, honestly, i just can't see this turning out in a positive way. Voted no. :wave:

SailorDan
September 24th, 2016, 06:00 PM
Also, as a side note, how about we just add a score system to the assets, ie, the ability to 'like' assets.

Think this is a great asset? Like it.

I'll second that. The download count is pointless and self-fulfilling - it doesn't record that people downloaded something because it had a good download count, thus adding to the count, but then discarded it because it wasn't much good.

Implementing a 'Like' scoring system would be much better use of N3V resources than trying to manage a pick of the week that will only generate argument and criticism.

UncleBuck
September 25th, 2016, 07:18 AM
Whilst I like the idea of a "like" or "rating" system that a user can opt in to, it will always be subjective and applicable to the specific version of trains that user has downloaded it for.

For example, if a user is running T:ANE and installs an asset that works but was built for TS2, they might rate it low as it is really not suitable for their version.
A different user who is running TS2 might download the same asset and rate it highly as it is the best for that version they are running.

The "like" or "rating" system works very well if it is version specific, something that would be way to complex to implement with so many version of Trainz in existence.

JMTCW.

oknotsen
September 26th, 2016, 05:10 PM
I agree with some of the "no" voters.

My fear is this will become a popularity contents instead of a "discovering hidden gems", especially if you are going to include 3rd party websites.
My hope, when voting for this in the newsletter survey, was to learn about those hidden jewels on the DLS. Those are by definition known by not many people, so when people end up voting I doubt everyone is going to first download all assets so the "commonly known" are more likely to win which are not likely the "o, nice, I did not know that existed" assets.

If you are going to do so, I suggest either limiting it to the DLS (as that is the main chance the object actually is available for download a few months after the competition) or have it be "DLS only" one week and "3rd party websites" the other week. A lot of us are mainly interested in DLS only material where another group of people is very happy to include everything in his/her routes.

SailorDan
September 26th, 2016, 05:57 PM
Whilst I like the idea of a "like" or "rating" system that a user can opt in to, it will always be subjective and applicable to the specific version of trains that user has downloaded it for.
That's exactly what is needed. We want the subjective evaluation of the asset - not some arbitrary score based on a criterion that was selected only because it was measurable. We want to know what people who actually installed the asset thought about it. Of course, that opinion might be based on odd reasons - such as the Trainz version it is used in - but that's what the process is. If someone has taken the trouble to go back to the DLS, access the asset and note 'Yes - just what I was looking for' or 'No - wasn't what I thought it would be' then that's got to be useful, even if we don't know what standards they judged it by.

UncleBuck
September 26th, 2016, 07:08 PM
That's exactly what is needed. We want the subjective evaluation of the asset - not some arbitrary score based on a criterion that was selected only because it was measurable. We want to know what people who actually installed the asset thought about it. Of course, that opinion might be based on odd reasons - such as the Trainz version it is used in - but that's what the process is. If someone has taken the trouble to go back to the DLS, access the asset and note 'Yes - just what I was looking for' or 'No - wasn't what I thought it would be' then that's got to be useful, even if we don't know what standards they judged it by.

But....
If you get a lot of T:ANE users download an asset that is only passable in T:ANE but is great in an earlier version of Trainz, then the result would be skewed and people who are running the earlier version may see it as a low rated asset and hence not use it, even if it is the best for their specific version.

Don't get me wrong, ratings work but you do need to know what the version of Trainz the rating was based on for them to be effective.

The other thing is, how long do the ratings stay current? Rating something as excellent now may not be quite so good in a years time.

narrowgauge
September 26th, 2016, 07:39 PM
I vote 'No'. Please do not do this!

Why do we have to have competitions. Trainz/T:ane is not a game where there have to be winners and losers. The disagreements on this forum are bad enough without adding another reason for more ill-feeling.

My hobby of almost 15 years is being degraded and I worry about it. The introduction of something like this is not what Trainz/T:ane is about.

Peter

Saieditor
September 27th, 2016, 05:02 AM
The NMRA has always had contests and the DLS is getting 400 uploads a week so you can not keep up on what is good and what is bad, this could help find the good.


Agreed. White searches on the DLS show heaps and heaps of uploads, weekly.

No comments on ??????????? assets
No comments on EMU's I cannot start
No comments on DMU's that have no cab view
No comments on locomotives and loads that roll away when you've got the brakes on ...
No comments on heaps and heaps of scenery I may never use. A lot of that is brilliant, and needful.

No comments. All I am saying is that there are heaps and heaps of uploads, weekly.

Enzo1
September 27th, 2016, 05:30 AM
I see, the forums oddly ate my post and now it has returned! Apologies for any anger caused!

matruck
September 27th, 2016, 06:38 AM
No but going by the voting result so far we have 68% for a yes.
Mick.

judahGrice
September 27th, 2016, 06:15 PM
Sounds good to me.

whitepass
September 28th, 2016, 11:37 AM
I think the Screenshot should be in the minimum, I would not download something that I can not see.

oknotsen
September 29th, 2016, 04:00 AM
I think the Screenshot should be in the minimum, I would not download something that I can not see.I agree on that.
Maybe with the (obvious) exception for "rule" assets, though even then an interface screenshot or a drawing to explain what it does would be nice.


I see, the forums oddly ate my post and now it has returned! Apologies for any anger caused!No clue who had removed it and why, but I have put it back yesterday (but didn't have the time to inform you yet).
It actually was still in the topic but was flagged "disapproved" (just like the way topics in the "Suggestion Boxcar" forum are by default) which made it hidden, so I approved it.

Tony_Hilliam
September 29th, 2016, 09:03 PM
It seemed such a simple concept to expand upon "screenshot of the week" and add a new "download of the week" competition. As it turns out, nothing in the world of Trainz is ever easy. In the interests of maintaining harmony, we will drop the idea of voting on content directly.

I have opened a new thread for people to discuss alternatives to expose all that awesome content that is out there.

Tony_Hilliam
September 29th, 2016, 09:09 PM
Last week we explored the idea of a Download of the Week competition and while the yes vote "won" it is clear that we would be creating a potential "hotspot" for conflict.

There is a lot of content out there, and with hundreds of items being uploaded every week, it is hard for people to figure out which items might be of interest to them.

I would like to hear proposals for a simple user-controlled forum that provides people an opportunity to showcase recently uploaded interesting content and/or quality content from days gone by.

The goal is to select one item from the forum each week to highlight in the newsletter.

Your suggestions are welcome...

nicky9499
September 29th, 2016, 10:07 PM
Hi Tony,

I may have jumped the gun a bit too soon earlier and apologize for any misunderstanding caused. Here is what I proposed earlier for Download of The Week in a now-removed post, which has been renamed Content Showcase; a most fitting title.


The primary goal of Content Showcase is for people to share creations that they think are great but may not be well-known to others and for everyone to discover new assets. For example, the JR F7 is a great engine and everyone has it, but what about the little Romanian narrowgauge steamer with custom cabs and start stop scripts that isn't on the DLS? Yes, non-DLS assets can be submitted as well because why not? The folk who are willing to download from third party sites discover a cool new asset and the folk who don't can just skip over it. Likewise assets made for all versions of Trainz can be submitted. In the spirit of sharing I feel it is counterproductive to have too many rules and restrictions.

The format is the same as SSOTW; every other week has a theme, everyone posts their entries prior to closing but there will be no voting. "Thank you" and "wow cool" type posts are permitted but in the interests of keeping Content Showcase inline with the above goals and to avoid conflict, please do not critique or review assets that others have posted. If it does not suit your tastes just move along.

1. Each user may post up to 3 assets.
.a) Can be from any source as long as it is available for free download during the competition.
.b) Can be for any version and build of Trainz.
.c) Can be an own creation or someone else's. If an own asset that is a derivative, please credit the original creator as well.
.d) Can be of any region or language.
.e) Can be a beta but should be stated as such if so.

2. Each entry should include at minimum:
.a) Item name
.b) Author name
.c) KUID (if on DLS) or download link* (if on 3rd party site)
.d) Compatible Trainz version/build
.e) Screenshot

3. Optionally include:
.f) Short description, notable features

4. Compliant with the week's theme, if any.

*Please ensure link is safe before posting. Any attempts to spread badware or otherwise direct users to harmful/inappropriate link either as an act of trolling or malice will be grounds for a ban.


I would be more than happy to oversee the execution of the above proposal.

narrowgauge
September 29th, 2016, 10:28 PM
Tony

In your closed threads you mention 'Screenshots Of The Week'. There is a difference here, in 'SOTW' the items to be judged are submitted by the creator. In your proposal, it seems (and I may be wrong) that other people will select an item downloaded from the DLS and submit it. In this case the creator has no choice in the matter, his content will be compared with others thus it becomes a competition and no different to your original proposal.



The goal is to select one item from the forum each week to highlight in the newsletter.

A comparatively simple solution would be to have creators OPT-IN to allow their content to be judged and at the same time they would become ineligible to vote. Perhaps creators who have left would be automatically classified as OPT-IN which would satisfy your 'days gone by' criterion.

Peter

ish6
September 30th, 2016, 09:32 AM
Hello Tony --

Interesting -- :p

Ish

noelsimpson
September 30th, 2016, 12:49 PM
Tony,


I read with interest your comment that 'it is hard for people to figure out which items might be of interest to them'. I would agree. An alternative might be to present 'Recent Arrivals This Week' in a simple thumbnail format with a brief description from the content creator.
This would require more input from the content creator to define their contributions, with location, time period etc. It could be sorted by category, so you could click on locomotives or scenery items. If something piques your interest, you could copy the author name or kuid number to search for it.

Noel...

martinvk
September 30th, 2016, 08:30 PM
If it is going to be a showcase of creations, their own or other's, than the presenter must state why they think the item they are highlighting is worthy. No need to have any formal voting if all we want is to bring hidden gems to the attention of a wider audience. I do agree that an opt-in clause should be used. Some people have early content that they might not think represents them well and would rather it was forgotten in the mists of time. Perhaps only the latest version should be eligible.

Tony_Hilliam
October 3rd, 2016, 09:10 PM
I'm happy for Nicky9499 to run with his proposal (since he's already setting up two posts it won't be much more to add a couple more posts each week) and let's see how it goes. If it works well, continue on. If there isn't much interest then make some changes

Dap
October 7th, 2016, 09:20 AM
When announced, a picture is needed. Case in point, todays announcement



Download of the Week: Brick Office Set by paulzmayKUID: <kuid:134105:20400>
Build version: 3.5

This set of 50 office buildings share a common library to help with performance.


A picture would be worth a thousand more words . . .